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About half of people who have the coronavirus show no symptoms, according to data from Iceland, the Italian town of Vo, and the Diamond Princess cruise ship.
The data from those places is of particular interest to researchers because in those places even people without symptoms were tested which is not the case in the U.S. and most countries, where desperately needed tests are reserved mostly for people who show symptoms.
Dad-O-Lot said:
what I find odd, is that at least in our county, only about 15% of the people getting tested end up testing positive. And these are people presenting with symptoms.
It would seem a bit odd if your chances of having it are higher if you're asymptomatic.
TexasAggie008 said:
There's a faction that thinks the ends justify the means of presenting the worst case scenario and scaring as many people as possible into social distancing
Similar to the parent / teacher who buys into the strategy of telling kids you can die from pot ("the gateway drug"), and that having premarital relations will 99% of the time result in STDs / a kid
you may have seen this, but your points are spot on and captured well here.TexasAggie008 said:
There's a faction that thinks the ends justify the means of presenting the worst case scenario and scaring as many people as possible into social distancing
Similar to the parent / teacher who buys into the strategy of telling kids you can die from pot ("the gateway drug"), and that having premarital relations will 99% of the time result in STDs / a kid
When you say, "we've become a society", who are you referring to? Humanity? Usually it refers to the country the person making the comment lives in, but since most developed countries in the world - representing various races, religions, and societal practices - have taken similar measures as the US, I am not sure who you are referring to.California Ag 90 said:you may have seen this, but your points are spot on and captured well here.TexasAggie008 said:
There's a faction that thinks the ends justify the means of presenting the worst case scenario and scaring as many people as possible into social distancing
Similar to the parent / teacher who buys into the strategy of telling kids you can die from pot ("the gateway drug"), and that having premarital relations will 99% of the time result in STDs / a kid
we've become a society that believes misrepresentation or exaggeration of facts for a noble cause is somehow acceptable and has no consequences.
it is destroying what is left of social trust.
Noble Lies
Article makes a mistake about the Diamond Princess. At time of testing, 46% were positive but asymptomatic. However, many went on to show symptoms. Overall, 18% of those positive on the Diamond Princess NEVER showed symptoms, which I think is the population the article was intended to talk about. I assume they made similar errors with the other data, or it at least puts it all in question.Comanche_Ag said:Quote:
About half of people who have the coronavirus show no symptoms, according to data from Iceland, the Italian town of Vo, and the Diamond Princess cruise ship.
The data from those places is of particular interest to researchers because in those places even people without symptoms were tested which is not the case in the U.S. and most countries, where desperately needed tests are reserved mostly for people who show symptoms.
Article
See my post above regarding questions about the article.Complete Idiot said:Article makes a mistake about the Diamond Princess. At time of testing, 46% were positive but asymptomatic. However, many went on to show symptoms. Overall, 18% of those positive on the Diamond Princess NEVER showed symptoms, which I think is the population the article was intended to talk about. I assume they made similar errors with the other data, or it at least puts it all in question.Comanche_Ag said:ArticleQuote:
About half of people who have the coronavirus show no symptoms, according to data from Iceland, the Italian town of Vo, and the Diamond Princess cruise ship.
The data from those places is of particular interest to researchers because in those places even people without symptoms were tested which is not the case in the U.S. and most countries, where desperately needed tests are reserved mostly for people who show symptoms.
Available statistical models of Diamond Princess outbreak suggest that 17.9% of infected persons never developed symptoms, not 46%.TXAggie2011 said:
One of the three studies says 33% were asymptomatic. (Iceland)
One says 46%. (Cruise ship.)
And the other says 70% were asymptomatic or "quasi-symptomatic." (Italy)
I'd like to see their definition of "quasi-symptomatic" to do a little bit more precise calibration of the body of work.
Im sure you are joking...B-1 83 said:It's just the flu......TexasAggie008 said:
What's happening now is the equivalent of handing the keys to the most alarmist climate change talking heads and saying "literally do whatever you want, you have full unconditional support at all levels of government in the entire world ... don't worry about the financial hit, without your help millions (per your proven scientific figures) will die"
Should have just stopped there.jopatura said:
I'm not a medicine person.
I want to call BS but this is absolutely correct.TexasAggie008 said:
Our inability to gather simple, honest data and present it to the public an unbiased way is the most disappointing thing about this
The same phenomena that makes presidential polling days completely worthless in 2020 is the same thing hurting us here
"Lies, damn lies, and statistics" has never been more true
Does this mean that "half of the people with COVID-19 at the time of data collection show no symptoms but will eventually have symptoms" or "half of the people with COVID-19 show not symptoms and will never show symptoms" ?Comanche_Ag said:Quote:
About half of people who have the coronavirus show no symptoms, according to data from Iceland, the Italian town of Vo, and the Diamond Princess cruise ship.
The data from those places is of particular interest to researchers because in those places even people without symptoms were tested which is not the case in the U.S. and most countries, where desperately needed tests are reserved mostly for people who show symptoms.
Article
Dad-O-Lot said:
what I find odd, is that at least in our county, only about 15% of the people getting tested end up testing positive. And these are people presenting with symptoms.
It would seem a bit odd if your chances of having it are higher if you're asymptomatic.
which is why we should be treating with HAZ at the very first sign of symptoms. At this point testing should be the least of our concern.dermdoc said:Dad-O-Lot said:
what I find odd, is that at least in our county, only about 15% of the people getting tested end up testing positive. And these are people presenting with symptoms.
It would seem a bit odd if your chances of having it are higher if you're asymptomatic.
I personally think it shows the tests are pretty inaccurate.
Ragoo said:which is why we should be treating with HAZ at the very first sign of symptoms. At this point testing should be the least of our concern.dermdoc said:Dad-O-Lot said:
what I find odd, is that at least in our county, only about 15% of the people getting tested end up testing positive. And these are people presenting with symptoms.
It would seem a bit odd if your chances of having it are higher if you're asymptomatic.
I personally think it shows the tests are pretty inaccurate.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.California Ag 90 said:you may have seen this, but your points are spot on and captured well here.TexasAggie008 said:
There's a faction that thinks the ends justify the means of presenting the worst case scenario and scaring as many people as possible into social distancing
Similar to the parent / teacher who buys into the strategy of telling kids you can die from pot ("the gateway drug"), and that having premarital relations will 99% of the time result in STDs / a kid
we've become a society that believes misrepresentation or exaggeration of facts for a noble cause is somehow acceptable and has no consequences.
it is destroying what is left of social trust.
Noble Lies
but that's not what was happening. My daughter couldn't get tested because her "only" symptoms were a cough and shortness of breath.bay fan said:
I think when your symptoms are considered obvious, perhaps until recently people were not being tested due to scarcity of tests and PPE. In other words, the more likely you were to have it, the less likely to be tested?
I withdrew what I wrote as you wish to turn a discussion of the use of noble lies to justify public policy into some sort of broader argument over the merits of the entire policy. that was not the point I was making.Complete Idiot said:
I saw what you wrote and I think you do know what I am talking about, based on the the prior post you quoted and agreed with in your reply.
jopatura said:
I'm not a medicine person.
But I'm wondering if COVID-19 itself is fairly mild overall similar to a cold (which also is a coronavirus if I'm not mistaken). However the ingredients that COVID-19 brings into the body or how it weakens the body makes for bad aftershocks, so to speak. Once you get really sick 8-10 days later, COVID-19 is out of your body and less traceable but the effects are still there. I bet you ran antibody tests on the severe patients that came back negative while they were sick, it would be positive. It would also explain why we are seeing a lot of "asymptomatic" people too.
