I received this from a close friend on FB, another confirmation.

He was the Dean of the Episcopal cathedral in Detriot. He was also the former rector at Trinity Episcopal church in Midtown Houston.

Hey everyone. I have been working with a friend of mine, Dr Ananda Prasad, to get a message out. Ananda is the Distinguished Professor of Immunology at Wayne State university Medical School. He is also the world's leading authority on zinc for medical purposes (look him up on Wikipedia... he is world renowned).
He has been working with doctors in South Korea on. Medical protocol for treating the corona virus with a combination of zinc and hydroxychloroquine that can kill the Covid 19. They succeeded, but the American bureaucratic approach to a new treatment is to test it for 4 months while people die.
To understand the science around this approach go on YouTube and look- up "medcram.com/ # 34" Medcram is a physician's information resource site. Report # 34, done on March 10 has a 17 minute video mostly dedicated to zinc and Chloroquine.
If you or a friend gets the Coronavirus here's the protocol you need to do:
Take 50 mg if zinc cluconate by mouth twice daily with 200 mg of Hydroxychloroquine twice daily. You have to get a prescription from you doctor for the hydroxychloroquine and you need to be concerned with taking it only if you have serious heart conditions that are under medication.
Crittenton Hospital in Detroit has used Dr Prasad's protocol for 10 days on 22 patients on respirators..... all 22 are now off respirators and fully recovering.
Please share this info. If you need more info, please call me at 313-570-1811
Stay well, and God bless

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I received this from a close friend on FB, another confirmation.

He was the Dean of the Episcopal cathedral in Detriot. He was also the former rector at Trinity Episcopal church in Midtown Houston.

Hey everyone. I have been working with a friend of mine, Dr Ananda Prasad, to get a message out. Ananda is the Distinguished Professor of Immunology at Wayne State university Medical School. He is also the world's leading authority on zinc for medical purposes (look him up on Wikipedia... he is world renowned).
He has been working with doctors in South Korea on. Medical protocol for treating the corona virus with a combination of zinc and hydroxychloroquine that can kill the Covid 19. They succeeded, but the American bureaucratic approach to a new treatment is to test it for 4 months while people die.
To understand the science around this approach go on YouTube and look- up "medcram.com/ # 34" Medcram is a physician's information resource site. Report # 34, done on March 10 has a 17 minute video mostly dedicated to zinc and Chloroquine.
If you or a friend gets the Coronavirus here's the protocol you need to do:
Take 50 mg if zinc cluconate by mouth twice daily with 200 mg of Hydroxychloroquine twice daily. You have to get a prescription from you doctor for the hydroxychloroquine and you need to be concerned with taking it only if you have serious heart conditions that are under medication.
Crittenton Hospital in Detroit has used Dr Prasad's protocol for 10 days on 22 patients on respirators..... all 22 are now off respirators and fully recovering.
Please share this info. If you need more info, please call me at 313-570-1811
Stay well, and God bless

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After showing symptoms, if ones Dr was willing to write that script for the Hydroxy, I wonder how long it would take to get it filled? Is it readily available?

It is rather interesting how often and in how many small studies this protocol or something similar involving Chloroquine shows these results. Thanks for sharing.

Blue star OPAG
It should be used on all new cases and used as a prophylactic for all that have been exposed or certain age group.

Beware of snake oil proliferated on social media. We have cut a lot of red tape to move potential therapies to the front line but we have to be judicious and disciplined so we don't create more harm than benefit. I want it to work just as bad as everyone else. But to date I haven't seen the hard preliminary data to prove anything to me.

Why does this read like the "gargle salt water to kill coronavirus" posts that were going around on Facebook two or three weeks back?

Title should read another "anecdote" not another "confirmation".

This may be really important, and should be implemented (one should have a right to try). It confirms nothing.

Eventually, peer reviewed literature will tell the tale about what is really helping. Meanwhile, lets not act like this is a panacea for all CV cases. It confirms nothing.

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New therapy for older patients

https://nypost.com/2020/04/04/long-island-doctor-tries-new-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-patients/

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Weird, I was wondering about doxycycline because it is another kind of "strange" antibiotic with anti inflammatory properties that we use in Derm to treat all kind of inflammatory processes.

It's cousin minocycline is used for these things also. And I write a ton of both of those. Should be easily available and without the cardiac stuff.

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It may very well be a successful treatment but: 1. 99% of the people who will get this disease will recover and 2. People are less likely to share on social media cases where the treatment is unsuccessful. Our own nawlingsag mentioned that he hasn't seen the treatment be very helpful in his cases and most of the doctors on the board are now agreeing that starting it too late is not very useful.

I'm really wondering if the reason people are so obsessed with this treatment is that president trump mentioned it by name and Dr Fauci said it wasn't scientifically proven yet. I don't see what the big deal is. Doctors are clearly prescribing it all over the US while it's going through trials to confirm its efficacy. Meanwhile there's a whole host of other drugs being tested as well.

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From my standpoint, it is because there are many more reports on the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin/zinc being successful especially in earlier treated cases than any other meds from my perusal.

And I believe you jumped all over me for "bringing politics" into this thread. And imho, you just did. Of course, we all have biases and oftentimes do not even realize we are being political especially when complete strangers are reading our posts. Just food for thought.

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Title should read another "anecdote" not another "confirmation".

This may be really important, and should be implemented (one should have a right to try). It confirms nothing.

Eventually, peer reviewed literature will tell the tale about what is really helping. Meanwhile, lets not act like this is a panacea for all CV cases. It confirms nothing.

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Curious? When does a multitude of anecdotal success become real?

It seems to me that you are looking for something that is proven 100% successful with absolutely no risky side effects. If that is the case we should remove about every drug or vaccine from the market.

There comes a time when common observable sense should come into play!

Furthermore, these are not a bunch of quacks stating this, these top level Docs. These are guys on the field who are looking for results because they are trying to save lives.

So they and others should wait until the 'elite' on high declare this so? I don't think so.

And I personally think and can give you a ton of 'anecdotal' evidence that that many research docs and CDC officials are being paid off by Chinese, Gates, Soros. and are getting huge multi million dollar gigs with huge Pharma corps when they finish there run with CDC.

Don't even get me started on the WHO. Please!

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Title should read another "anecdote" not another "confirmation".

This may be really important, and should be implemented (one should have a right to try). It confirms nothing.

Eventually, peer reviewed literature will tell the tale about what is really helping. Meanwhile, lets not act like this is a panacea for all CV cases. It confirms nothing.

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We don't have time for year long peer reviews. The evidence is mounting that this helps a lot of people.

Nothing is ever 100%, someone somewhere will always have some type of negative response to just about any drug or therapy. If it only helps 1% why not try it. The drugs have been proven safe for short term use for decades.

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Curious? When does a multitude of anecdotal success become real?

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The plural of anecdote is not evidence.

There are well-designed studies underway. We'll know soon what patients this may help, and what endpoints it positively effects. For example, it may reduce vital shedding (or length of time of viral shedding.) It may or may not improve clinical outcomes (oxygenation requirements, need for vent, time on vent.) Only well controlled studies will tell us this. Doctors around the world are treating patients while participating in trials. It's not either or.

I am increasingly amazed by the number of people who are willing to risk life and our economy because they read a few articles on pharmaceutical testing. If these people had been in charge of planning D Day, the war would still be going on. The polio vaccine would still be in stage 3 testing.

Your position is untenable. You cannot tell me in the same breath that this disease is so very bad that we have to shut down the country, but not bad enough to try relatively safe drugs: Zpack is very common, zinc is in my multivitamin and Plaquenil has been prescribed by 5 decades to all ages. I

I have to wonder the motivation for the resistance. I'm sure some of it has to do with principles pharmaceutical researchers who are taking a break from their currently high pressure roles to post on Texags. The rest are akin to Internet white knights who want to come off looking calm, scientific and objective. In the meantime, people will die because of this attitude and the economy will continue to flounder.

If you don't want it, then don't take it. But let people have a choice.

Solid post

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I am increasingly amazed by the number of people who are willing to risk life and our economy because they read a few articles on pharmaceutical testing. If these people had been in charge of planning D Day, the war would still be going on. The polio vaccine would still be in stage 3 testing.

Your position is untenable. You cannot tell me in the same breath that this disease is so very bad that we have to shut down the country, but not bad enough to try relatively safe drugs: Zpack is very common, zinc is in my multivitamin and Plaquenil has been prescribed by 5 decades to all ages. I

I have to wonder the motivation for the resistance. I'm sure some of it has to do with principles pharmaceutical researchers who are taking a break from their currently high pressure roles to post on Texags. The rest are akin to Internet white knights who want to come off looking calm, scientific and objective. In the meantime, people will die because of this attitude and the economy will continue to flounder.

If you don't want it, then don't take it. But let people have a choice.

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Could not agree more. And trust me, there is a lot more treatment with the hydroxychloroquine cocktail going on than is being reported. And from what I have heard if plaquenil was more available it would be even used more often.

Thanks for a great post.

I tend to go along with what actual docs in the front lines would do if it was them or their family. To my knowledge, every single one of them would take the hydroxyl/azithromycin/zinc cocktail or write it for their families.

Maybe other docs are different.

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I was the one who used the word confirmation and I am not either a scientist or Doc, though I have a close relationship with many high leve Ph.D researchers, and it is those relationships that cause me to use the word 'confirmation'. To a man they all 'believe' that this treatment is sound, but you are right, they cannot go on the record and state it categorically until the full gamete is run. In the mean time if I got this and my Doc was unwilling to prescribe this treatment, I WOULD GET A NEW DOC!

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You cannot tell me in the same breath that this disease is so very bad that we have to shut down the country, but not bad enough to try relatively safe drugs

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I am increasingly amazed by the number of people who are willing to risk life and our economy because they read a few articles on pharmaceutical testing. If these people had been in charge of planning D Day, the war would still be going on. The polio vaccine would still be in stage 3 testing.

Your position is untenable. You cannot tell me in the same breath that this disease is so very bad that we have to shut down the country, but not bad enough to try relatively safe drugs: Zpack is very common, zinc is in my multivitamin and Plaquenil has been prescribed by 5 decades to all ages. I

I have to wonder the motivation for the resistance. I'm sure some of it has to do with principles pharmaceutical researchers who are taking a break from their currently high pressure roles to post on Texags. The rest are akin to Internet white knights who want to come off looking calm, scientific and objective. In the meantime, people will die because of this attitude and the economy will continue to flounder.

If you don't want it, then don't take it. But let people have a choice.

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Your perspective is wrong. Both things can be true. I want to save the drug, give the drug to the people that are most vulnerable, and then study to see if outcomes are improved.

What I don't want is to create a demand run on an unproven drug, limit it's supply for the people that it has possible potential benefit, and then create a whole new set of issues with the drug that I have to deal with on top of a tsunami of COVID patients.

And when I get data from a double blinded randomized controlled trial which is now moving at light speed I assure you I won't post my recommendations on Facebook.

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I tend to go along with what actual docs in the front lines would do if it was them or their family. To my knowledge, every single one of them would take the hydroxyl/azithromycin/zinc cocktail or write it for their families.

Maybe other docs are different.

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I'd try it if I was pretty sure I had the disease or had a positive swab, but I haven't heard great things from the docs using it in hospitals and the ER. Their anecdotal evidence would suggest it seems to do very little if anything at all, and in the very sick patients, it may actually make heart and liver failure worse. The studies I have seen are poorly done, or very small, or from China. I'm not willing to hang my hat on any of them just yet.