Can we have one thread that sums up sort of our concensus treatmen?

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Bag
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We have several threads quoting articles about treatment and several first hand accounts.

Can we have one thread where we state what the current research is stating?

I have read

* 50mg Zinc gluconate twice daily
* 200mg Hydroxychloroquine twice daily
* Zpac 500 mg 5 days only

I have also seen other additions to this combo, but can't place the thread anymore.

Thanks, just trying to aggregate the medical recommendations
DadHammer
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* Zpac 500 mg five days daily
* 50mg Zinc gluconate twice daily five days

* 200mg Hydroxychloroquine twice daily five days
bay fan
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I don't think there is a consensus. Everything is unproven and anecdotal. Personally, unless I was plummeting down hill, I wouldn't want anything experimental that may have lasting side effects. Most of us, if we catch it can ride it out with 10 miserable days at home. Fear makes people want things to cling to anything that may help and forget the the part about may not.

Each case is individual, I think this is a doctors decision at the time and not a good idea for people to determine "best practices" with such a lack of proven information.
DadHammer
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Side effects for those drugs mentioned are almost zero for shirt term use. Proven facts about those drugs.

I prefer to take them right away to lesson my sickness and lower my rate of infecting others. No one should take them if you don't want to but no one should stop anyone who wants to try these proven safe meds in use for decades.
kyledr04
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Yeah, the risk of a days of zinc, hcq, and azithro next to nothing. We need data but at this point the hope and anecdotal evidence might be worth the risk of side effects, cost, and failure.

There are also ongoing clinical trials of lots of drugs. Those trials might help people that can enroll but outside academic centers, doctors are having to rely on rapidly changing, low quality data.

There are over 300 trials registered today. They aren't all drug trials but that's staggering for something a few months old. Researchers, IRB, pharma, etc are working overtime.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=COVID-19

Lots of possibilities. IVIG, chelators, jak inhibitors, plasma, antibiotics, antivirals, etc
Bag
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Updated
cone
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Is there really anything experimental about HCQ?

plus there's really no way telling early on if you're going to be able to recover at home

didn't you share the case of the young nurse who died? there's no guarantee even young people are going to tough it out.

if HCQ is available for use, I absolutely want it as soon as symptoms develop. waiting a week to get sicker removes HCQ as a viable option, even based on anecdote
bay fan
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I did share the story of my friends 29 year old daughter. It hurts daily. To that end I abide by the shelter in place very closely, our whole community does. I go to grocery store once a week and hike alone in the hills for several hours daily where I am not around others. My goal is not to get it!

I guess I just think of the people who rely on those drugs for ailments they are proven to help with and believe their need is first.
cone
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it's a one time thing though for the person receiving

and might be life saving if given at the right time

and non-experimental
bay fan
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I am not arguing with you. I am saying I don't think we need a best course of treatment as people who don't understand all the nuances of this. I am saying I will do all I can to avoid getting it and trust my doctor for course of treatment if I do. I'm not an expert and reading opinions on Texags doesn't make me one.
Bag
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My wife travels to areas of the world with malaria quite frequently. She has a script for chloroquine (500 mg once a week).

Will that work? Or are they only recommending HCQ?
cone
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avoiding it is the best course but I'd advise you to seek treatment as early as possible if you do start showing symptoms

in the meantime, prepare with vitamins and supplements like quercetin
74Ag1
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Bag said:

We have several threads quoting articles about treatment and several first hand accounts.

Can we have one thread where we state what the current research is stating?

I have read

* 50mg Zinc gluconate twice daily
* 200mg Hydroxychloroquine twice daily
* Zpac 500 mg 5 days only

I have also seen other additions to this combo, but can't place the thread anymore.

Thanks, just trying to aggregate the medical recommendations

CDC recommendations
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/therapeutic-options.html
Cancelled
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Side effects from Zpack and from zinc? Are you kidding me? My 70 year old FIL would go across the border to get Zpacks for a chest infection. And Plaquenil? It's been prescribed for decades.

Enough with the "we shouldn't use it until it's proven in a double blind" it's not like this medicine will result in flipper babies.

Lastly l, if this disease is so bad that we had to destroy our economy, then all the arm chair researches can go to hell as far as I care. Give the medicine.
Keegan99
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Japan is gung ho on Favipiravir.

https://www.wired.com/story/japan-is-racing-to-test-a-drug-to-treat-covid-19/
kyledr04
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Great article from Gilead CEO Day Oday about availability of remdesivir. Also, ODay seems to be great leader and all around good guy. Had a lot of connections with him at Roche. Met him once.

https://www.gilead.com/stories/articles/an-update-on-covid-19-from-our-chairman-and-ceo
FCBlitz
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Last Thursday I had a telecom meeting with my Critical Care Pulmonologist. I am gonna be gender neutral to not compromise their identity.

Back in Jan, as I saw things unfolding in China with the virus and I threw a dart at a future date that would time with the virus being active in my area. I was pretty dang close.

The reason I have a CCP is my lungs are compressed because of my scoliosis. My rib cage does not expand. My vital capacity is 1.1 liter. Currently my line of work I deal in mitigating hazardous chemicals.....don't laugh I really do. If it were not for my CCP I would not be working because no Industrial Medicine Doctor would pass me on the yearly Hazwoper physical. My CCP knows that I am fine wearing a SCBA or PAPR.....as I get older I admittedly have a harder time breathing through filter masks. I just wanted add context why I have a CCP.

Last Thursday, during the call we worked out what I needed to do if I had any symptoms.
The two of us identified testing places in my area. Was warned not to trust the first result if it were negative. If the first result was negative I was to wait 24 to 48 hours and then get retested.

I already have a ZPac because I do a lot of international traveling and when I get a lung infection, that infection can turn into pneumonia with in 24 hours......so I don't have the luxury of time. Upon getting a positive result for Covid19.....then and only then can the CCP write me a prescription for plaquenil.

The approach for me (at the moment) is to be treated with ZPack/Plaquenil if I were to catch Covid19. My CCP is at a major hospital managing dozen or more Covid19 cases. They are in the thick of the battle.
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