I want to start by saying I am not posting this as fact, please do not take it as such. I am posting this because I have seen posts similar to this appear on several social media pages across multiple platforms over the last two weeks or so, and I do not know enough to debunk or confirm it. Quote below:

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I finally was able to locate a CDC state by state chart that shows weekly death rates in America. The chart (posted below) shows weekly flu deaths, weekly pneumonia deaths, and finallyweekly death totals (which is inclusive of every death category).
What does this chart reveal? It reveals that death rates have dropped EVERYWHERE in America as soon as pandemic began. This means that there are not more bodies, anywhere. In case you are thinking "it's because people aren't going outside", that is not true for NYC. New York City is unusual because there are very few car accident fatalities, due to citywide traffic. The overwhelming majority of people in New York City die from heart disease, cancer, & respiratory failure. Staying inside would not see a drop in any of these categories, as they are not contagious.
This chart reveals that there has been a steep decline in pneumonia and flu deaths. For those of you that are thinking "well don't people normally stop dying from the flu in March", the answer is no. Last year, flu and pneumonia deaths PEAKED in March (always shown by using this map).
So what does this interactive map reveal? For one, it reveals that there are not more dead bodies, so please discredit any media organization that is telling you that there are overwhelming deaths.
This map also reveals that the biggest question that any respectable journalist should be asking is why did everyone suddenly stop dying from pneumonia and the flu? If the coronavirus rate is really increasing "exponentially" as they've been telling us shouldn't death rate be higher by now? Why is is it getting lower?
Is it possible that people with the flu and pneumonia are now having their deaths recorded as "coronavirus". My instincts tells me that Covid-19 isn't nearly as deadly as they say. My instincts also tell me that it's been here in America since before January.
My instincts tell me that if it truly was as deadly as they say there would be mass graveyards built in Bangladesh and India right now where millions of refugees are now walking alongside the road because the railroad system was shut down.
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html?fbclid=IwAR3d0DFTSGEoBK-5AbRnlPR7VrlX6uxNDyhbuYS-iT8fCMMG03lY5i7uzkM

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yes...if you die of related issues and are covid-19 positive, they will list it as Covid death. However, in the long run it might skew the numbers by a percentage point or two at the most.

agsalaska said:

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wargograw said:

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agsalaska said:

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It is meaningless statistical noise at the bottom of the list of concerns.

Unless of course you are into fear mongering. Then it is a very big deal and part of a grand conspiracy.

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Yeah, the skeptics are the ones fear mongering....

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They are every bit as guilty if not more so.

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Perhaps, but stop throwing stones from a glass house.

And this doesn't account for the people dieing at home from Covid that the hospitals turned away without a test as being "mild/low risk" cases

If you have late stage COPD and on oxygen at home and come down with Covid19 then go to the ICU and eventually pass away it's considered a Covid death.

My Mom last year went to the hospital with cold-like symptoms. They day before she went shopping. She was put on a ventilator and passed away 5 weeks later. She died from a COPD related respiratory illness. COPD killed her. If she didn't have COPD she would have most likely been fine.

Covid is real because it will definitely end your life earlier than expected. The year before she had a bad case of bronchitis/pneumonia , was admitted to the hospital but overcame it without a ventilator. Covid would have killed a year earlier. When she recovered it took her a month to regain her strength at least but it was a full recovery. In her final year she led a normal life with projects and goals. Covid would have robbed her of that year.

If you are 55 in decent health it's not so bad. If you are 80 with middle stage COPD it's a death sentence.

Of course there are fewer flu deaths, quarantine stops that spread too. That's not exactly rocket science.

A lot of people with those symptoms are locked in an apartment by themselves. I'm guessing there will be a lot of bad smells next door come May.

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So none of you see a problem with counting everything under the sun as death by the virus? Really??

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The rate of misattribution of non-COVID deaths as COVID deaths is inherently going to be low, so no. Not all deaths are accurately recorded and they're given a best guess even in normal times. Not everyone gets an autopsy to determine accurate cause of death. If some of the flu/pneumonia deaths are misattributed as COVID deaths the fraction of the whole is going to be so small that it's not worth worrying about.

If they were taking trauma victims and calling them COVID deaths or a large proportion of unrelated cardiovascular deaths I'd be concerned, but I'm skeptical that's occurring. A heart attack induced by COVID being classified as COVID doesn't concern me.

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andyv94 said:

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So none of you see a problem with counting everything under the sun as death by the virus? Really??

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The rate of misattribution of non-COVID deaths as COVID deaths is inherently going to be low, so no. Not all deaths are accurately recorded and they're given a best guess even in normal times. Not everyone gets an autopsy to determine accurate cause of death. If some of the flu/pneumonia deaths are misattributed as COVID deaths the fraction of the whole is going to be so small that it's not worth worrying about.

If they were taking trauma victims and calling them COVID deaths or a large proportion of unrelated cardiovascular deaths I'd be concerned, but I'm skeptical that's occurring. A heart attack induced by COVID being classified as COVID doesn't concern me.

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Good post.

Me neither. It is statistically insignificant.

Gap said:

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Collecting bad data when trying to solve a problem that has a lot of unknowns is always a good strategy.

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Giving disingenuous responses is always helpful.

ETFan said:

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Gap said:

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Collecting bad data when trying to solve a problem that has a lot of unknowns is always a good strategy.

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Giving disingenuous responses is always helpful.

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Pot meet kettle.

Most if not all data of a certain size has flaws, it's the degree to which it's flawed that should concern you and this shouldn't. Limited testing/lack of antibody tests is more concerning than the proportion of misattributed COVID deaths. Not knowing accurate asymptomatic/symptoms so mild as to be unrecognizable is a problem. If twice as many people or more have been unknowingly infected it can change your strategy, because it makes herd immunity as a goal more palatable.