FrecklesDad said:
What do we do next?
I say we have to go back to living as close to normal as possible. Wear masks and practice good hygiene. Quarantine the sick and try not to get sick. What else can we do?
it would be the most self destructive dumbass stunt in history.aggie-beta said:
I don't think getting it again will be a problem and if we do get it again it will probably be like a cold.
My bigger concern is that maybe this was not an accident but a test run by China and they have bigger plans for the future. If China's numbers are real then they figured this virus out and did not share with the world or they created the virus and had a cure already ready that they did not share with the world. They could also be lying about their numbers and dit is doing just as much damage there as it did in other places.
This. For those that think China did this on purpose, they are missing the broader point mentioned above. The Chinese economy is irreparably damaged from this.They are screwed...California Ag 90 said:it would the most self destructive dumbass stunt in history.aggie-beta said:
I don't think getting it again will be a problem and if we do get it again it will probably be like a cold.
My bigger concern is that maybe this was not an accident but a test run by China and they have bigger plans for the future. If China's numbers are real then they figured this virus out and did not share with the world or they created the virus and had a cure already ready that they did not share with the world. They could also be lying about their numbers and dit is doing just as much damage there as it did in other places.
they are in economic free fall. there is not a country in the world that isn't exploring how to get their supply chains disentangled from China. China has no where near the domestic demand to backfill its export markets, yet. they have over 200M still in poverty, in spite of their export driven success in building a middle class. their population is aging rapidly due to the decades of one-child policy, and their incentives to increase the birth rate have largely failed.
from an image perspective, the face-conscious Chinese culture is being assailed on a global scale, no matter how much PC policing tries to prevent it. you think human beings who are losing loved ones to this disease will pay attention to the PC efforts to deflect the justified rage at the PRC? they won't. China's carefully crafted image has taken a devastating hit.
China is ****ed. if they did this on purpose, they are idiots. it was not intentional - it was a catastrophic mistake either in food regulation or laboratory control. it has altered the course of world history, and irreparably damaged China.
What's new here is a new virus. A virus that did not exist 4 months ago.flown-the-coop said:
You gp back to normal. People get sick, they get tested, they get the cocktail, they get better and go out again.
People have been getting sick a long time. People have been dying from getting sick a long time. People have gotten better from being sick due to medicine for a long time.
What's new here?
Certainly not. We are strangely lucky as a species that this first modern pandemic jump from animal to human is actually a relatively mild virus. Hopefully this will encourage world & USA to take pandemic preparation and prevention a priority in the future as it is most certainly one of the most likely ways for the species to end. Think if ebola, SARS, MERS made a jump like this with high mortality and the R0 of COVID.flown-the-coop said:
I get that KidDoc. My point is somewhat consistent with yours, said a different way. I agree it's different, it's new and yes it sucks, at the same time, we have dealt with these scenarios before, we develop resistance, treatments and vaccines, I think there is consensus that this is not "novel" enough to wipe out mankind.
KidDoc said:Certainly not. We are strangely lucky as a species that this first modern pandemic jump from animal to human is actually a relatively mild virus. Hopefully this will encourage world & USA to take pandemic preparation and prevention a priority in the future as it is most certainly one of the most likely ways for the species to end. Think if ebola, SARS, MERS made a jump like this with high mortality and the R0 of COVID.flown-the-coop said:
I get that KidDoc. My point is somewhat consistent with yours, said a different way. I agree it's different, it's new and yes it sucks, at the same time, we have dealt with these scenarios before, we develop resistance, treatments and vaccines, I think there is consensus that this is not "novel" enough to wipe out mankind.
This is a warning. The wet markets of China need to stop. We need to take any novel virus jump very seriously and clamp down aggresively.
Not COVID related but the ways civilization end are likely: pandemic, AI, Asteroid hit, Volcano. We can plan for some of those things but world governments are caught up in day to day drama and largely ignore big picture issues which is what they should be focused on. Volcano is the one that I cannot think of any good prevention/solution but geophysics is way out of my wheel house.
California Ag 90 said:it would the most self destructive dumbass stunt in history.aggie-beta said:
I don't think getting it again will be a problem and if we do get it again it will probably be like a cold.
My bigger concern is that maybe this was not an accident but a test run by China and they have bigger plans for the future. If China's numbers are real then they figured this virus out and did not share with the world or they created the virus and had a cure already ready that they did not share with the world. They could also be lying about their numbers and dit is doing just as much damage there as it did in other places.
they are in economic free fall. there is not a country in the world that isn't exploring how to get their supply chains disentangled from China. China has no where near the domestic demand to backfill its export markets, yet. they have over 200M still in poverty, in spite of their export driven success in building a middle class. their population is aging rapidly due to the decades of one-child policy, and their incentives to increase the birth rate have largely failed.
from an image perspective, the face-conscious Chinese culture is being assailed on a global scale, no matter how much PC policing tries to prevent it. you think human beings who are losing loved ones to this disease will pay attention to the PC efforts to deflect the justified rage at the PRC? they won't. China's carefully crafted image has taken a devastating hit.
China is ****ed. if they did this on purpose, they are idiots. it was not intentional - it was a catastrophic mistake either in food regulation or laboratory control. it has altered the course of world history, and irreparably damaged China.
Antibiotics and Antibodies are two completely different things. Antibiotics are drugs that, for the most part, kill or inhibit bacteria. Antibodies are products of your immune system that work to "kill" bacteria, viruses, allergens, foreign bodies, parasites, etc.flown-the-coop said:
I have a terminology question and this is not meant to be political, but I am going to reference Trump. But the response does not need to invoke one side or another.
Trump was lambasted in the press for talking about antibiotics in regard to viruses. With the adage that viruses cannot be treated with antibiotics,
This thread is based on the body building "antibodies" to the virus. My question is simply why is it that the "antibiotics" due not treat a virus, but we need "antibodies" to fight the virus?
The terms are close enough where I can see the confusion, and I am sure I can google an answer, but there are also experience people on here who can answer the difference.
Seven Costanza said:Antibiotics and Antibodies are two completely different things. Antibiotics are drugs that, for the most part, kill or inhibit bacteria. Antibodies are products of your immune system that work to "kill" bacteria, viruses, allergens, foreign bodies, parasites, etc.flown-the-coop said:
I have a terminology question and this is not meant to be political, but I am going to reference Trump. But the response does not need to invoke one side or another.
Trump was lambasted in the press for talking about antibiotics in regard to viruses. With the adage that viruses cannot be treated with antibiotics,
This thread is based on the body building "antibodies" to the virus. My question is simply why is it that the "antibiotics" due not treat a virus, but we need "antibodies" to fight the virus?
The terms are close enough where I can see the confusion, and I am sure I can google an answer, but there are also experience people on here who can answer the difference.
Ive been *****ing about lack of accurate or useful data. This has been running 5 months now. Somebody ****ing knows exactly whether most 'recovered' carriers have immunity, and somebody ****ing knows a lot of other things about this cirus by now. Yet the infirmation is being wittheld. Why?KidDoc said:What's new here is a new virus. A virus that did not exist 4 months ago.flown-the-coop said:
You gp back to normal. People get sick, they get tested, they get the cocktail, they get better and go out again.
People have been getting sick a long time. People have been dying from getting sick a long time. People have gotten better from being sick due to medicine for a long time.
What's new here?
The proof & studies on long term immunity are pending because it is a NEW VIRUS. I think people really lose perspective that we are learning as we go because this is a BRAND NEW VIRUS to the planet. All the models and projections are just that, guessing and predictions.
It is annoying. It is frustrating, It is NEW and different. It sucks.
That would have been my assumption. There is a point of how many people can confuse the terminology.Seven Costanza said:
Antibiotics and Antibodies are two completely different things. Antibiotics are drugs that, for the most part, kill or inhibit bacteria. Antibodies are products of your immune system that work to "kill" bacteria, viruses, allergens, foreign bodies, parasites, etc.
Because China. (IMO)cbr said:Ive been *****ing about lack of accurate or useful data. This has been running 5 months now. Somebody ****ing knows exactly whether most 'recovered' carriers have immunity, and somebody ****ing knows a lot of other things about this cirus by now. Yet the infirmation is being wittheld. Why?KidDoc said:What's new here is a new virus. A virus that did not exist 4 months ago.flown-the-coop said:
You gp back to normal. People get sick, they get tested, they get the cocktail, they get better and go out again.
People have been getting sick a long time. People have been dying from getting sick a long time. People have gotten better from being sick due to medicine for a long time.
What's new here?
The proof & studies on long term immunity are pending because it is a NEW VIRUS. I think people really lose perspective that we are learning as we go because this is a BRAND NEW VIRUS to the planet. All the models and projections are just that, guessing and predictions.
It is annoying. It is frustrating, It is NEW and different. It sucks.
The Community Party of China hangs its legitimacy on economic growth. Their promise to the masses is the ability to purchase a car, a smartphone, and go on a vacation to a foreign country.aggie-beta said:
My bigger concern is that maybe this was not an accident but a test run by China and they have bigger plans for the future.
