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State Prison Wuhan COVID 19 results: 96% tested positive asymptomatic
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Last: 5 yr ago by Duncan Idaho
Wondering what explains this high level of asymptomatics? Do prisoners get some sort of inoculations when they are sent to prison? There has to be something going on here. The data (either in the prison or with what we think the number of asymptomatics are outside of prison) is wrong or there is something different compared to the rest of our populations. I could believe a mild strain in a certain prison but not multiple ones in different states. Any ideas?
slacker00 said:
Wondering what explains this high level of asymptomatics? Do prisoners get some sort of inoculations when they are sent to prison? There has to be something going on here. The data (either in the prison or with what we think the number of asymptomatics are outside of prison) is wrong or there is something different compared to the rest of our populations. I could believe a mild strain in a certain prison but not multiple ones in different states. Any ideas?
The food, must be the high quality food. Or maybe they have freaking strong immune systems living in filth.
Thread title made my head hurt.
US Prisons. of ~3,900 inmates who tested positive, 96% did not show symptoms at time of testing.
US Prisons. of ~3,900 inmates who tested positive, 96% did not show symptoms at time of testing.
Kick-R said:
Thread title made my head hurt.
US Prisons. of ~3,900 inmates who tested positive, 96% did not show symptoms at time of testing.
If you have it, say in the first few days, do you test positive even though symptoms don't onset until about 5 days in?
I imagine the population is heavily skewed young.
You can test positive and later become symptomatic, yes. Some never do, but 96% is beyond extreme for that it would seem.
slacker00 said:
Wondering what explains this high level of asymptomatics? Do prisoners get some sort of inoculations when they are sent to prison? There has to be something going on here. The data (either in the prison or with what we think the number of asymptomatics are outside of prison) is wrong or there is something different compared to the rest of our populations. I could believe a mild strain in a certain prison but not multiple ones in different states. Any ideas?
A 24:1 ratio is in line with the Stanford, USC, NYC, Boston, and Miami data.
this seems like the correct line of logic...The_Fox said:
I imagine the population is heavily skewed young.
We're from North California, and South Alabam
and little towns all around this land...
and little towns all around this land...
Premium said:Kick-R said:
Thread title made my head hurt.
US Prisons. of ~3,900 inmates who tested positive, 96% did not show symptoms at time of testing.
If you have it, say in the first few days, do you test positive even though symptoms don't onset until about 5 days in?
Yes governor Kemp. That is why this is such a hard to get control of and why sentinel testing is key to returning to "normal"
I am very interested in the % testing positive.
I have a theory that there is a percentage of the population that is an incompatible host for the virus and is effectively immune. It may be more of a gray scale than black/white, depending on how much of the virus they are exposed to.
Reported differences in amount of cases compared to blood type could also support this theory, although that could just be a difference in symptomatic vs. asymptomatic, since in most cases asymptomatics are not tested.
I am particularly interested in all the cases where a group of people appear to have been exposed, and what percentage appear to have not caught the virus, after testing the entire group. Examples are the cruise ships, families/spouses, the Washington choir group, nursing homes (where workers were spreading it), and now prisons. The data is only available when authorities decided to test all of a group, but it appears that has happened in many cases.
This is important because I believe the % that is "immune" can be added to the % infected and recovered to judge how close a group is to "herd immunity".
The results described in the article were 85% positive (the highest amount I have seen of the above examples) and about 70% positive.
If these numbers are representative of the entire country (I recognize they probably aren't), then the % naturally immune may be between 10-20%. I was hoping it would be higher than that.
I have a theory that there is a percentage of the population that is an incompatible host for the virus and is effectively immune. It may be more of a gray scale than black/white, depending on how much of the virus they are exposed to.
Reported differences in amount of cases compared to blood type could also support this theory, although that could just be a difference in symptomatic vs. asymptomatic, since in most cases asymptomatics are not tested.
I am particularly interested in all the cases where a group of people appear to have been exposed, and what percentage appear to have not caught the virus, after testing the entire group. Examples are the cruise ships, families/spouses, the Washington choir group, nursing homes (where workers were spreading it), and now prisons. The data is only available when authorities decided to test all of a group, but it appears that has happened in many cases.
This is important because I believe the % that is "immune" can be added to the % infected and recovered to judge how close a group is to "herd immunity".
The results described in the article were 85% positive (the highest amount I have seen of the above examples) and about 70% positive.
If these numbers are representative of the entire country (I recognize they probably aren't), then the % naturally immune may be between 10-20%. I was hoping it would be higher than that.
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Hypothesis. The word you are looking for is hypothesis.
Not theory. You have nothing close to a theory
There is a strict scientific definition but there are many other definitions that make his use of the term appropiate in this case. See 3 below, and return your grammar nazi costume to the closet.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theory
Quote:
//Definition of theory
1: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomenathe wave theory of light
2a: a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action//her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn
b: an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances often used in the phrase in theory//in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all
3a: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation
b: an unproved assumption : CONJECTURE
c: a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subjecttheory of equations
4: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an artmusic theory
5: abstract thought : SPECULATION
6: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
The_Fox said:
I imagine the population is heavily skewed young.
Nope.
They started with the Marion Correctional Institution, which houses 2,500 prisoners in north central Ohio, many of them older with pre-existing health conditions. After testing 2,300 inmates for the coronavirus, they were shocked. Of the 2,028 who tested positive, close to 95% had no symptoms.
Gig'Em and God Bless,
JB'91
JB'91
Very interesting. 2028 out of 2300 tested positive, wow.
Something is amiss with NY's numbers then.Keller6Ag91 said:The_Fox said:
I imagine the population is heavily skewed young.
Nope.
They started with the Marion Correctional Institution, which houses 2,500 prisoners in north central Ohio, many of them older with pre-existing health conditions. After testing 2,300 inmates for the coronavirus, they were shocked. Of the 2,028 who tested positive, close to 95% had no symptoms.
I think you're spot on. NY numbers are highly fishy.The_Fox said:Something is amiss with NY's numbers then.Keller6Ag91 said:The_Fox said:
I imagine the population is heavily skewed young.
Nope.
They started with the Marion Correctional Institution, which houses 2,500 prisoners in north central Ohio, many of them older with pre-existing health conditions. After testing 2,300 inmates for the coronavirus, they were shocked. Of the 2,028 who tested positive, close to 95% had no symptoms.
Gig'Em and God Bless,
JB'91
JB'91
Shows it highly contagious. 2 questions remain. How deadly is it? Does immunity stay once we've had it.DadHammer said:
Very interesting. 2028 out of 2300 tested positive, wow.
My guess on the deadliness of it is "highly than influenza, yet not near as bad as it's been made out to be".
I believe the 2nd question will be answered in the affirmative as well.
Gig'Em and God Bless,
JB'91
JB'91
They were safe bc they were sheltering in place IMO.
You just broke the internet!
jac4 said:
They were safe bc they were sheltering in place IMO.
I might have heard that joke before:
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3108947/replies/56448056#56448056
I honestly didn't see that before typing it out. I spend more time on Politics than here though.
Kudos to you for the joke!
Kudos to you for the joke!
Keller6Ag91 said:Shows it highly contagious. 2 questions remain. How deadly is it? Does immunity stay once we've had it.DadHammer said:
Very interesting. 2028 out of 2300 tested positive, wow.
My guess on the deadliness of it is "highly than influenza, yet not near as bad as it's been made out to be".
I believe the 2nd question will be answered in the affirmative as well.
Here is one for the Docs and Bio types: Even if you can be re-infected...if it didn't get you the first time wouldn't it be milder the second time?
When were they tested, what kind of test?
Do you enjoy being the resident blowhard?Duncan Idaho said:Premium said:Kick-R said:
Thread title made my head hurt.
US Prisons. of ~3,900 inmates who tested positive, 96% did not show symptoms at time of testing.
If you have it, say in the first few days, do you test positive even though symptoms don't onset until about 5 days in?
Yes governor Kemp. That is why this is such a hard to get control of and why sentinel testing is key to returning to "normal"
Squadron7 said:Keller6Ag91 said:Shows it highly contagious. 2 questions remain. How deadly is it? Does immunity stay once we've had it.DadHammer said:
Very interesting. 2028 out of 2300 tested positive, wow.
My guess on the deadliness of it is "highly than influenza, yet not near as bad as it's been made out to be".
I believe the 2nd question will be answered in the affirmative as well.
Here is one for the Docs and Bio types: Even if you can be re-infected...if it didn't get you the first time wouldn't it be milder the second time?
The definitive answer is maybe
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