From an article about convalescent plasma used to save the life of a man in Dallas. The donor is interesting.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/public-health/2020/04/25/dallas-medical-team-rescues-coronavirus-patient-after-30-days-on-life-support/

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About a week later, their calls reached the right person. Leonard Seiple of Lewisville fell ill in late January with symptoms that resembled those of COVID-19. Although he hadn't traveled outside the state, he felt right away that he had caught something nastier than the flu.

Seiple, 56, who runs Dallas Business Realty, a commercial real estate company, developed chills, aches, fatigue and a terrible cough. He couldn't sleep. His lungs hurt. He visited his doctor, who said he likely had the flu, and spent about 10 days recovering at home.

During his annual exam at a Denton Veterans Affairs clinic in early April, he told his doctor he believed he'd had COVID-19. "Do you want to find out for sure?" his doctor asked. She told him that Texas Health Dallas was looking for plasma donors. On April 8, Seiple visited the hospital to be screened. He tested negative for COVID-19 but positive for COVID-19 antibodies, indicating that he'd likely had the infection. In addition, his blood type was a match for Michael's.

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It's been in the states since December

We think it might have been in California in December, but don't have hard evidence.

This is the first hard evidence I've seen of not only presence in Texas in January, but community spread.

This is not possible. The science is settled.

[Random twitter link]

Think of all of the healthy, younger people who travel for business or otherwise. Now imagine how many went to and came back from China over holiday breaks, etc.

The reason we didn't see deaths sooner could be that it just took longer for it to reach people who would actually succumb to it. Just a theory.

if you have community spread in Dallas in January unmitigated for 10 weeks and the result was the wave we got, then that would be good news for the sort of impact we'd see with mitigation in place

it might be steady but manageable

We had a girl in office pass in early January with covid symptoms. She got sick in Washington state visiting family.

Kick-R said:

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Think of all of the healthy, younger people who travel for business or otherwise. Now imagine how many went to and came back from China over holiday breaks, etc.

The reason we didn't see deaths sooner could be that it just took longer for it to reach people who would actually succumb to it. Just a theory.

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What happens if you think you have the flu or simply get sick? You tell your boss you wont be in today. You go to the doctor, maybe. She gives you a flu test. It comes back positive, negative. Either way, you go home, take medicine and let your body heal. Sleep it off.

Now, everyone in the US has heard about COVID-19, which has been hyped af enough to shut down the economy and have people get no closer than 6 feet.


Now think about how that would that change human behavior. The same human behavior that turned on a dime when masks were suddenly deemed mandatory. People in general are more informed than you would think.

70-80% of people that are damn sure that they have COVID19, and their doctors agree that they have the symptoms so they grant them the opportunity to test, and are tested for COVDI19 do not actually have COVID19. There's a confirmation bias now that did not exist previously...

Hindsight is 20/20, but we should at least acknowledge this as a possibility. The random antibody test studies that are being performed across the world certainly not only make this scenario possible, but likely probable.

To deny that this isn't even a possibility is not "science". It's fear-mongering. Full Stop. Same thing with the "just because you got the 'Rona, you might get it again" nonsense from the WHO.

In before nextstrain.org

BadMoonRisin said:

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This is not possible. The science is settled.

[Random twitter link]

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It was always possible it was here in January. It was not possible for it to be here in December or November.

I don't know how you or anyone can say anything definitively at this point.

Here's my story. I returned from Italy after a 10 vacation on Oct 28. The day of my return I developed very high intermittent fevers, chills, aches, fatigue and a terrible cough. I couldn't sleep well either. It knocked me on my butt for two weeks. I didn't go to the doctor because I assumed it was the flu and felt I could ride it out...which I did. I am 67 and pretty healthy.

I have my annual check-up in two weeks and will discuss this with my doc and hope he'll set me up for an anti-body test. I would also donate blood. I don't know what I had but I am interested now.

RandyAg98 said:

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I don't know how you or anyone can say anything definitively at this point.

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DNA is pretty definitive. As a doctor here said previously, "doctors can be wrong, DNA can't be".

BadMoonRisin said:

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This is not possible. The science is settled.

[Random twitter link]

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It says he fell ill in late January. No one has said it wasn't in the USA in late January.

CT75 said:

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Here's my story. I returned from Italy after a 10 vacation on Oct 28. The day of my return I developed very high intermittent fevers, chills, aches, fatigue and a terrible cough. I couldn't sleep well either. It knocked me on my butt for two weeks. I didn't go to the doctor because I assumed it was the flu and felt I could ride it out...which I did. I am 67 and pretty healthy.

I have my annual check-up in two weeks and will discuss this with my doc and hope he'll set me up for an anti-body test. I would also donate blood. I don't know what I had but I am interested now.

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1) It almost certainly wasn't in Italy for 3-4 months and then, suddenly, a huge, overwhelming issue all over multiple regions.

2) To make the connection, you would be drawing a correlation of a positive anti-body test at least 6 months after an illness. That's problematic, especially if, at the same time, we're going to discuss asymptomatic spread.

I'm sorry you went through that, and also happy you recovered,

Joe Exotic said:

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It was not possible for it to be here in December or November.

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It most definitely is possible. Probable, likely, certain; those are debatable.

Explains it better than I could

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Same thing with the "just because you got the 'Rona, you might get it again" nonsense from the WHO.

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The WHO is right, and are from the only organization or scientific source to make such a statemnet. There is not evidence "yet." (The WHO's own word.)

They didn't eliminate the possibility, and they didn't push evidence of people being infected a second time.

And out of curiosity, I've read multiple media takes on the WHO statement, and everyone I've seen did a good job of making the distinction.

Hospitalizations don't correlate with earlier spread.

TXAggie2011 said:

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Same thing with the "just because you got the 'Rona, you might get it again" nonsense from the WHO.

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The WHO is right, and are from the only organization or scientific source to make such a statemnet. There is not evidence "yet." (The WHO's own word.)

They didn't eliminate the possibility, and they didn't push evidence of people being infected a second time.

And out of curiosity, I've read multiple media takes on the WHO statement, and everyone I've seen did a good job of making the distinction.

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Well yeah. If it's terrible news they're going to research the crap out of the statement to get it right.

The WHO has lost a lot of credibility recently. No celebrity circle jerk can correct their screw ups.

Keegan99 said:

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Are you going to get an antibody test?

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Once available locally, yes.