Texas A&M to re-open in the fall
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Finally! Some sense!
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Rutedown said:annie88 said:
Finally! Some sense!
Am I alone in not seeing where the humor is here?
Because it's too far out to know for sure. Also, all statements from universities have lots of conditions in them. People thinking those comments mean everything returns to normal, football is on, are doing thisCapitol Ag said:Rutedown said:annie88 said:
Finally! Some sense!
Am I alone in not seeing where the humor is here?
They are also desperately trying to hold on to students and don't want them to be making other plans.
Can't hide forever. Smart move. Data shows college kids are almost at no risk. More likely to get killed in a car wreck by a mile.
Old RV Ag said:Because it's too far out to know for sure. Also, all statements from universities have lots of conditions in them. People thinking those comments mean everything returns to normal, football is on, are doing thisCapitol Ag said:Rutedown said:annie88 said:
Finally! Some sense!
Am I alone in not seeing where the humor is here?
They are also desperately trying to hold on to students and don't want them to be making other plans.
That still doesn't explain the so called humor. So the fact that most normal folks want things to get back to normal instead of hiding out from this nothing virus and continually tanking our economy and country is funny? I'm sure the people who have lost their jobs and businesses are laughing with you.
This black and white crap is junk - you assumed way too much and say I'm laughing at people losing their jobs? Well, go..... My comment and what others are finding funny is that people are reading into these things only what they want to hear, it's like Dorothy - close your eyes, click your heels three times and make a wish. I want things opened and back to normal as soon as possible. My businesses are deemed essential so I'm working but that doesn't mean I'm not losing money - I could easily justify laying off 12-15 employees but I haven't laid off one single employee.Jbob04 said:Old RV Ag said:Because it's too far out to know for sure. Also, all statements from universities have lots of conditions in them. People thinking those comments mean everything returns to normal, football is on, are doing thisCapitol Ag said:Rutedown said:annie88 said:
Finally! Some sense!
Am I alone in not seeing where the humor is here?
They are also desperately trying to hold on to students and don't want them to be making other plans.
That still doesn't explain the so called humor. So the fact that most normal folks want things to get back to normal instead of hiding out from this nothing virus and continually tanking our economy and country is funny? I'm sure the people who have lost their jobs and businesses are laughing with you.
Finally the science deniers are shutting up, so the rest of us can get back to work.
Old RV Ag said:This black and white crap is junk - you assumed way too much and say I'm laughing at people losing their jobs? Well, go..... My comment and what others are finding funny is that people are reading into these things only what they want to hear, it's like Dorothy - close your eyes, click your heels three times and make a wish. I want things opened and back to normal as soon as possible. My businesses are deemed essential so I'm working but that doesn't mean I'm not losing money - I could easily justify laying off 12-15 employees but I haven't laid off one single employee.Jbob04 said:Old RV Ag said:Because it's too far out to know for sure. Also, all statements from universities have lots of conditions in them. People thinking those comments mean everything returns to normal, football is on, are doing thisCapitol Ag said:Rutedown said:annie88 said:
Finally! Some sense!
Am I alone in not seeing where the humor is here?
They are also desperately trying to hold on to students and don't want them to be making other plans.
That still doesn't explain the so called humor. So the fact that most normal folks want things to get back to normal instead of hiding out from this nothing virus and continually tanking our economy and country is funny? I'm sure the people who have lost their jobs and businesses are laughing with you.
My issue with the laughing is exactly what the mods put on the post. Of course we are left to hope at this point, but at least these comments are a potential step in the right direction. Could situations possibly become worse? Certainly. But they could improve, and in my opinion they will. Or it would take a much much worse spike to close again. I look at it this way, if things do open fully, it's going to be a lot harder to close again. The people just won't allow it. Once the rabbit's out of the hat, it would take a massive mutation of the virus, as in it would become like the virus in Contagion where something like 20-40% died who caught it. Even with a spike, this virus will be no where near that. Again, just my opinion. But the point is, I think we all get that the statement by Sharp and A&M guarantees nothing. It's just a good sign. We need good news these days.
Bodes well for college football
As more and more serological studies, therapeutics, and age breakdown of mortality rates come out, I have a really good feeling about College Football with fans in the stadiums. It's coming, trust me.
T Boon Pickens said:
Finally the science deniers are shutting up, so the rest of us can get back to work.
COVID Truthers really disappointed with the end of the lockdown.
I'm not a COVID Truther but I've been around a long while - so I am a realist. Kind of like being in Nam and always being told we'd be finished in a few months over and over.Rocky Rider said:T Boon Pickens said:
Finally the science deniers are shutting up, so the rest of us can get back to work.
COVID Truthers really disappointed with the end of the lockdown.
Classes don't start until August over 3.5 months away. Think about where things were 3.5 months ago! Lots can change.
I really do hope they open but it's pretty early for your "in your face" victory lap.
For financial reasons they pretty much have to open. Why would any parent/student pay some version of full price for A&M (or any big school) if all classes will be online. The smarter play for current students (at least freshmen and sophomores) would be to just enroll at their local community college for a fraction of the cost.
RAB91 said:
For financial reasons they pretty much have to open. Why would any parent/student pay some version of full price for A&M (or any big school) if all classes will be online. The smarter play for current students (at least freshmen and sophomores) would be to just enroll at their local community college for a fraction of the cost.
Which is why you suddenly saw a lot of schools announcing they plan to open in the Fall last week. Many mistook it for "oh yeah football's coming!", when it was more the schools trying to sell themselves to students for Fall.
But if you can have hundreds of students in an indoor classroom, it is not a far stretch to be able to attend a football game.Proposition Joe said:RAB91 said:
For financial reasons they pretty much have to open. Why would any parent/student pay some version of full price for A&M (or any big school) if all classes will be online. The smarter play for current students (at least freshmen and sophomores) would be to just enroll at their local community college for a fraction of the cost.
Which is why you suddenly saw a lot of schools announcing they plan to open in the Fall last week. Many mistook it for "oh yeah football's coming!", when it was more the schools trying to sell themselves to students for Fall.
I am so hoping for football. I really want that to happen.RAB91 said:But if you can have hundreds of students in an indoor classroom, it is not a far stretch to be able to attend a football game.Proposition Joe said:RAB91 said:
For financial reasons they pretty much have to open. Why would any parent/student pay some version of full price for A&M (or any big school) if all classes will be online. The smarter play for current students (at least freshmen and sophomores) would be to just enroll at their local community college for a fraction of the cost.
Which is why you suddenly saw a lot of schools announcing they plan to open in the Fall last week. Many mistook it for "oh yeah football's coming!", when it was more the schools trying to sell themselves to students for Fall.
This is the logic I think is applied to these situations.
It is all about mitigating risk. Same answer given for 'if grocery stores can be open then why can't _____' or 'this is stupid, we all crowd into grocery stores, why can't we _____'
The answer to grocery stores and such is that food is a necessity, other things are less so.
The answer is yes, classrooms are a risk and risky, but football is less necessary and riskIER. So while I am anxious for football to happen, I am less hopeful about that than in-class instruction.
RAB91 said:
For financial reasons they pretty much have to open. Why would any parent/student pay some version of full price for A&M (or any big school) if all classes will be online. The smarter play for current students (at least freshmen and sophomores) would be to just enroll at their local community college for a fraction of the cost.
Honestly that is the smarter play even before this whole mess. We should be encouraging everyone to be doing this.
Classrooms may be risky but are they significantly riskier than a football game? I'm not so sure. But then I'm not certain classrooms should be considered more necessary than88planoAg said:I am so hoping for football. I really want that to happen.RAB91 said:But if you can have hundreds of students in an indoor classroom, it is not a far stretch to be able to attend a football game.Proposition Joe said:RAB91 said:
For financial reasons they pretty much have to open. Why would any parent/student pay some version of full price for A&M (or any big school) if all classes will be online. The smarter play for current students (at least freshmen and sophomores) would be to just enroll at their local community college for a fraction of the cost.
Which is why you suddenly saw a lot of schools announcing they plan to open in the Fall last week. Many mistook it for "oh yeah football's coming!", when it was more the schools trying to sell themselves to students for Fall.
This is the logic I think is applied to these situations.
It is all about mitigating risk. Same answer given for 'if grocery stores can be open then why can't _____' or 'this is stupid, we all crowd into grocery stores, why can't we _____'
The answer to grocery stores and such is that food is a necessity, other things are less so.
The answer is yes, classrooms are a risk and risky, but football is less necessary and riskIER. So while I am anxious for football to happen, I am less hopeful about that than in-class instruction.
I said classrooms are less riskier than football games. I was thinking more of time around people than one being outside - picturing Kyle during an Alabama game.tysker said:Classrooms may be risky but are they significantly riskier than a football game? I'm not so sure. But then I'm not certain classrooms should be considered more necessary than88planoAg said:I am so hoping for football. I really want that to happen.RAB91 said:But if you can have hundreds of students in an indoor classroom, it is not a far stretch to be able to attend a football game.Proposition Joe said:RAB91 said:
For financial reasons they pretty much have to open. Why would any parent/student pay some version of full price for A&M (or any big school) if all classes will be online. The smarter play for current students (at least freshmen and sophomores) would be to just enroll at their local community college for a fraction of the cost.
Which is why you suddenly saw a lot of schools announcing they plan to open in the Fall last week. Many mistook it for "oh yeah football's coming!", when it was more the schools trying to sell themselves to students for Fall.
This is the logic I think is applied to these situations.
It is all about mitigating risk. Same answer given for 'if grocery stores can be open then why can't _____' or 'this is stupid, we all crowd into grocery stores, why can't we _____'
The answer to grocery stores and such is that food is a necessity, other things are less so.
The answer is yes, classrooms are a risk and risky, but football is less necessary and riskIER. So while I am anxious for football to happen, I am less hopeful about that than in-class instruction.footballedited outdoor gatherings generally.
You could ultimately socially distance classrooms. It wouldn't be easy on scheduling, but it's doable to have students sit far enough apart in *most* classes.
You can't socially distance football. It's the exact opposite, the way stadiums are built you are crammed as close as possible to your seat neighbor.
You can't socially distance football. It's the exact opposite, the way stadiums are built you are crammed as close as possible to your seat neighbor.
you want to restate that? Stadiums and classrooms are built with seats next to each other. Logically if you have to/ need to socially distance a classroom; you could do the exact same for a stadium.Proposition Joe said:
You could ultimately socially distance classrooms. It wouldn't be easy on scheduling, but it's doable to have students sit far enough apart in *most* classes.
You can't socially distance football. It's the exact opposite, the way stadiums are built you are crammed as close as possible to your seat neighbor.
Social distancing for the large lower level classes would be really tough..... if not impossible.Proposition Joe said:
You could ultimately socially distance classrooms. It wouldn't be easy on scheduling, but it's doable to have students sit far enough apart in *most* classes.
You can't socially distance football. It's the exact opposite, the way stadiums are built you are crammed as close as possible to your seat neighbor.
I would argue that if Texas still needs social distancing protocols by the fall we havent made much progress from where we're at today.Proposition Joe said:
You could ultimately socially distance classrooms. It wouldn't be easy on scheduling, but it's doable to have students sit far enough apart in *most* classes.
You can't socially distance football. It's the exact opposite, the way stadiums are built you are crammed as close as possible to your seat neighbor.
Or just schedule all the September games at 11AM; plenty social distancing will be possible for those that need/desire it.
Carnwellag2 said:you want to restate that? Stadiums and classrooms are built with seats next to each other. Logically if you have to/ need to socially distance a classroom; you could do the exact same for a stadium.Proposition Joe said:
You could ultimately socially distance classrooms. It wouldn't be easy on scheduling, but it's doable to have students sit far enough apart in *most* classes.
You can't socially distance football. It's the exact opposite, the way stadiums are built you are crammed as close as possible to your seat neighbor.
Not a stadium that already has tens of thousands of seats sold as season tickets and logistical bottlenecks at multiple different points.
I'm not saying there's a good chance we socially distance classrooms, but there is almost zero chance we socially distance fans in sports arenas this year.
tysker said:I would argue that if Texas still needs social distancing protocols by the fall we havent made much progress from where we're at today.Proposition Joe said:
You could ultimately socially distance classrooms. It wouldn't be easy on scheduling, but it's doable to have students sit far enough apart in *most* classes.
You can't socially distance football. It's the exact opposite, the way stadiums are built you are crammed as close as possible to your seat neighbor.
Or just schedule all the September games at 11AM; plenty social distancing will be possible for those that need/desire it.
I'm not forecasting whether we'll still need social distancing by the Fall -- simply stating there is a significant difference between classrooms and football stadiums. Neither would be easy, but one is a whole lot tougher than the other.
RAB91 said:Social distancing for the large lower level classes would be really tough..... if not impossible.Proposition Joe said:
You could ultimately socially distance classrooms. It wouldn't be easy on scheduling, but it's doable to have students sit far enough apart in *most* classes.
You can't socially distance football. It's the exact opposite, the way stadiums are built you are crammed as close as possible to your seat neighbor.
Yeah, it's why I said most classes. But ultimately if you had to you could house the larger classes in larger venues (Reed, Rudder) with proper spacing. Most everything going on in those large classes is a lecture and power point anyways. Additionally you could alternate days where half of those enrolled in the class are remote learning, the other half are in class. Lots of different ways it could be done -- none of them would really be easily applicable to a football stadium.
That's what they're already planning. Niece went to and works at A&M. Enrollments limited to half classroom capacity, inverted lectures like you described (mix live/video and flip), some courses still fully online, etc. Their biggest nightmare is what to do about housing/dining.Proposition Joe said:RAB91 said:Social distancing for the large lower level classes would be really tough..... if not impossible.Proposition Joe said:
You could ultimately socially distance classrooms. It wouldn't be easy on scheduling, but it's doable to have students sit far enough apart in *most* classes.
You can't socially distance football. It's the exact opposite, the way stadiums are built you are crammed as close as possible to your seat neighbor.
Yeah, it's why I said most classes. But ultimately if you had to you could house the larger classes in larger venues (Reed, Rudder) with proper spacing. Most everything going on in those large classes is a lecture and power point anyways. Additionally you could alternate days where half of those enrolled in the class are remote learning, the other half are in class.
Edit: add in that students must be seated far from the professor and no approaching/talking to the professor before/after class. Her common statement is to quote Jimbo "it ain't like it use to be"
Communication this morning from the Provost explicitly mentioned synchronous remote instruction for classes for the fall 2020 semester. The provost also made it clear that things will look different in the fall compared to previous semesters. I think you can read that to mean that large lower-level classes will not be happening in the same way as previous semesters.
In fact it would appear that larger classrooms will be used for smaller upper level classes to allow social distancing. In person instruction will be occurring at A&M in the fall but a lot more online classes will be occurring as well.
In fact it would appear that larger classrooms will be used for smaller upper level classes to allow social distancing. In person instruction will be occurring at A&M in the fall but a lot more online classes will be occurring as well.
aginresearch said:
In fact it would appear that larger classrooms will be used for smaller upper level classes to allow social distancing. In person instruction will be occurring at A&M in the fall but a lot more online classes will be occurring as well.
To my earlier comment.... if your part about more online classes is true, A&M is no longer the value it used to be.
And to an earlier comment.... if student will be in dorms/MSC/cafeterias/etc, why even bother with all these changes to the classrooms?
They act like students aren't just going to congregate or talk after the class ends or between classes. The whole classroom thing is just to make A&M look like they are doing something, with no effectiveness.
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