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UK had 50,000 more deaths than usual in March & April vs 27,000 reported Covid deaths
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Last: 5 yr ago by normaleagle05
NVM I see how the chart is laid out
On the optimistic side of things, those graphs show the UK and other European nations to have peaked with the death rate subsiding.
The US graph shows no such peak.
The US graph shows no such peak.
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The name-calling technique making false associations is a child's game. The propagandist who uses this technique hopes that the audience will reject a person and their argument on this false basis.
The name-calling technique making false associations is a child's game. The propagandist who uses this technique hopes that the audience will reject a person and their argument on this false basis.
Carolin_Gallego said:
On the optimistic side of things, those graphs show the UK and other European nations to have peaked with the death rate subsiding.
The US graph shows no such peak.
We hadn't peaked as of April 11th, no.
Oh, good catch. US data is a bit behind in that graphic.PJYoung said:Carolin_Gallego said:
On the optimistic side of things, those graphs show the UK and other European nations to have peaked with the death rate subsiding.
The US graph shows no such peak.
We hadn't peaked as of April 11th, no.
We believe progress is made through MORE discussion, not LESS, and we believe that to be true even if the topics are uncomfortable and we occasionally disagree with one another. - TexAgs
The name-calling technique making false associations is a child's game. The propagandist who uses this technique hopes that the audience will reject a person and their argument on this false basis.
The name-calling technique making false associations is a child's game. The propagandist who uses this technique hopes that the audience will reject a person and their argument on this false basis.
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There are concerns, however, that reported Covid-19 deaths are not capturing the true impact of coronavirus on mortality around the world. The FT has gathered and analysed data on excess mortality the numbers of deaths over and above the historical average across the globe, and has found that death tolls in some countries are more than 50 per cent higher than usual. In many countries, these excess deaths exceed reported numbers of Covid-19 deaths by large margins.
Click through to the excess mortality article and you'll see they're attributing 100% of the excess mortality to COVID-19. They completely ignore the the idea that a lot of people aren't doing well because they're too terrified of going to the doctor, or it's suddenly illegal to go to the doctor, and dying of whatever else ails them.
That's the kind of bad reporting that generates the lethal fear feedback loop.
But it's the "gold standard"
Yes. Certainly a lot of the excess deaths are due to COVID. But some percentage are due to the lockdowns as well. Patients with severe Non-COVID conditions were not being treated as usual and at least some of them died. A number of doctors have reported that; that the number of patients they're not seeing for serious conditions is concerning.
GAC06 said:
But it's the "gold standard"
Trashing the gold standard was good enough for the Fed.
If you look carefully at those graphs you will see that even the light gray plots have massive peaks at different times.
fightingfarmer09 said:
If you look carefully at those graphs you will see that even the light gray plots have massive peaks at different times.
The 2010 heat wave did a number on Russia. 15,000 dead in Moscow and over 50,000 Russians dead overall.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Russian_wildfires
Counting is hard; and while things change; they really don't.normaleagle05 said:Quote:
There are concerns, however, that reported Covid-19 deaths are not capturing the true impact of coronavirus on mortality around the world. The FT has gathered and analysed data on excess mortality the numbers of deaths over and above the historical average across the globe, and has found that death tolls in some countries are more than 50 per cent higher than usual. In many countries, these excess deaths exceed reported numbers of Covid-19 deaths by large margins.
Click through to the excess mortality article and you'll see they're attributing 100% of the excess mortality to COVID-19. They completely ignore the the idea that a lot of people aren't doing well because they're too terrified of going to the doctor, or it's suddenly illegal to go to the doctor, and dying of whatever else ails them.
That's the kind of bad reporting that generates the lethal fear feedback loop.
~1st paragraph on the Wikipedia pageQuote:
The Spanish flu, also known as the 1918 flu pandemic, was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic caused by the H1N1 influenza A virus. Lasting more than 12 months from spring 1918 (northern hemisphere) to early summer 1919,[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#cite_note-VojnosanitetskiPregled-2][2][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#cite_note-CDCThreeWaves-3][3][/url] it infected 500 million people about a third of the world's population at the time.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#cite_note-4][4][/url] The death toll is estimated to have been anywhere from 17 million to 50 million, and possibly as high as 100 million, making it one of the deadliest pandemics in human history.
normaleagle05 said:Quote:
There are concerns, however, that reported Covid-19 deaths are not capturing the true impact of coronavirus on mortality around the world. The FT has gathered and analysed data on excess mortality the numbers of deaths over and above the historical average across the globe, and has found that death tolls in some countries are more than 50 per cent higher than usual. In many countries, these excess deaths exceed reported numbers of Covid-19 deaths by large margins.
Click through to the excess mortality article and you'll see they're attributing 100% of the excess mortality to COVID-19. They completely ignore the the idea that a lot of people aren't doing well because they're too terrified of going to the doctor, or it's suddenly illegal to go to the doctor, and dying of whatever else ails them.
That's the kind of bad reporting that generates the lethal fear feedback loop.
Can you cite what you're talking about?
I read the article and this is literally all I see:
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There are concerns, however, that reported Covid-19 deaths are not capturing the true impact of coronavirus on mortality around the world. The FT has gathered and analysed data on excess mortality the numbers of deaths over and above the historical average across the globe, and has found that death tolls in some countries are more than 50 per cent higher than usual. In many countries, these excess deaths exceed reported numbers of Covid-19 deaths by large margins.
normaleagle05 said:Quote:
There are concerns, however, that reported Covid-19 deaths are not capturing the true impact of coronavirus on mortality around the world. The FT has gathered and analysed data on excess mortality the numbers of deaths over and above the historical average across the globe, and has found that death tolls in some countries are more than 50 per cent higher than usual. In many countries, these excess deaths exceed reported numbers of Covid-19 deaths by large margins.
Click through to the excess mortality article and you'll see they're attributing 100% of the excess mortality to COVID-19. They completely ignore the the idea that a lot of people aren't doing well because they're too terrified of going to the doctor, or it's suddenly illegal to go to the doctor, and dying of whatever else ails them.
That's the kind of bad reporting that generates the lethal fear feedback loop.
Exactly the problem with these reports. It could just as likely be the lockdown that's resulting in more deaths, not the virus itself.
But the report doesn't draw any conclusions like that (at least from what I saw).02skiag said:normaleagle05 said:Quote:
There are concerns, however, that reported Covid-19 deaths are not capturing the true impact of coronavirus on mortality around the world. The FT has gathered and analysed data on excess mortality the numbers of deaths over and above the historical average across the globe, and has found that death tolls in some countries are more than 50 per cent higher than usual. In many countries, these excess deaths exceed reported numbers of Covid-19 deaths by large margins.
Click through to the excess mortality article and you'll see they're attributing 100% of the excess mortality to COVID-19. They completely ignore the the idea that a lot of people aren't doing well because they're too terrified of going to the doctor, or it's suddenly illegal to go to the doctor, and dying of whatever else ails them.
That's the kind of bad reporting that generates the lethal fear feedback loop.
Exactly the problem with these reports. It could just as likely be the lockdown that's resulting in more deaths, not the virus itself.
There's also going to be a decline in auto deaths and workplace deaths because people haven't been leaving their houses or doing other things that could also get them killed.normaleagle05 said:Quote:
There are concerns, however, that reported Covid-19 deaths are not capturing the true impact of coronavirus on mortality around the world. The FT has gathered and analysed data on excess mortality the numbers of deaths over and above the historical average across the globe, and has found that death tolls in some countries are more than 50 per cent higher than usual. In many countries, these excess deaths exceed reported numbers of Covid-19 deaths by large margins.
Click through to the excess mortality article and you'll see they're attributing 100% of the excess mortality to COVID-19. They completely ignore the the idea that a lot of people aren't doing well because they're too terrified of going to the doctor, or it's suddenly illegal to go to the doctor, and dying of whatever else ails them.
That's the kind of bad reporting that generates the lethal fear feedback loop.
The text I quoted has a link in it that takes you here:
https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c
They cite 122,000 excess deaths over the usual and 77,000 COVID deaths. 122k is a 60% increase over 77k and they're chicken littling that "The death toll from coronavirus may be almost 60 per cent higher than reported"!
That's a bad conclusion when arrived at using what they reported.
https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c
They cite 122,000 excess deaths over the usual and 77,000 COVID deaths. 122k is a 60% increase over 77k and they're chicken littling that "The death toll from coronavirus may be almost 60 per cent higher than reported"!
That's a bad conclusion when arrived at using what they reported.
True. But have they stopped having heart disease because the cardiologist is closed?
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