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39% of all US Covid-19 deaths have taken place at nursing homes or LTC facilities
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Our logistics and resource allocation for this has been beyond horrible. We are getting an A+ on socialism implementation though so you gotta take the good with the bad.
Kind of a misleading title since NY and perhaps other states are skewing the numbers
If NY numbers were right - and I suspect they're MUCH higher considering Cuomo was forcing nursing homes to re-admit potential COVID+ residents - the national figure may be above 50%.
Joe Exotic said:
Jeez, if you're under 70 this thing is harmless for the most part
I wouldn't go that far, but it is a far lower death rate. A lot of the nurses and doctors who contracted the virus and died were in their 60s. They more than likely experienced much higher initial viral loads.
We will continue to hear about random horrific things happening to people in their 30s or younger, but even with this virus it is quite rare.
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We will continue to hear about random horrific things happening to people in their 30s or younger, but even with this virus it is quite rare.
Indeed, the media will make certain that we are all personally introduced to every outlier.
There's a nationwide campaign underway to have every person in every nursing home tested in the next two weeks.
You think they are higher? I find them confounding high given how no other large densely populated city in the world has been able to come remotely close to their death rate. This is regardless of the fact that they are one of the wealthiest large cities in the world.Keegan99 said:
If NY numbers were right - and I suspect they're MUCH higher considering Cuomo was forcing nursing homes to re-admit potential COVID+ residents - the national figure may be above 50%.
At least they are sticking to the "in 2 weeks" protocolFitch said:
There's a nationwide campaign underway to have every person in every nursing home tested in the next two weeks.
ham98 said:You think they are higher? I find them confounding high given how no other large densely populated city in the world has been able to come remotely close to their death rate. This is regardless of the fact that they are one of the wealthiest large cities in the world.Keegan99 said:
If NY numbers were right - and I suspect they're MUCH higher considering Cuomo was forcing nursing homes to re-admit potential COVID+ residents - the national figure may be above 50%.
Sorry for not being clear. I'm not talking about raw fatality totals. I'm talking about the percentage of fatalities in NY that were residents of nursing homes or long term care facilities.
NY is reporting that figure as only 11.9%, which is implausibly low.
That makes sense
Where I am the vast majority of COVID19 admits are now institutionalized. It has gradually shifted. Including dialysis and rehab. If one factors those pts the % cases and deaths of these pts compared to others is even higher. And will continue to rise.
If you're open to sharing, have you seen a somewhat consistent or fluctuating patient load the last couple of weeks (months)?
Looking at the statewide data for Texas it outwardly appears the hospitalized case load is on the rise, but the breadth of the geography and diversity of different county's "peaks" introduce so much noise into the data it's difficult to make inferences what the conditions are at the local level.
Looking at the statewide data for Texas it outwardly appears the hospitalized case load is on the rise, but the breadth of the geography and diversity of different county's "peaks" introduce so much noise into the data it's difficult to make inferences what the conditions are at the local level.
Constant load. If not dwindling. With demographic switch as mentioned.
Fitch said:
If you're open to sharing, have you seen a somewhat consistent or fluctuating patient load the last couple of weeks (months)?
Looking at the statewide data for Texas it outwardly appears the hospitalized case load is on the rise, but the breadth of the geography and diversity of different county's "peaks" introduce so much noise into the data it's difficult to make inferences what the conditions are at the local level.
It's pretty constant especially at the county hospitals
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Keegan99 said:ham98 said:You think they are higher? I find them confounding high given how no other large densely populated city in the world has been able to come remotely close to their death rate. This is regardless of the fact that they are one of the wealthiest large cities in the world.Keegan99 said:
If NY numbers were right - and I suspect they're MUCH higher considering Cuomo was forcing nursing homes to re-admit potential COVID+ residents - the national figure may be above 50%.
Sorry for not being clear. I'm not talking about raw fatality totals. I'm talking about the percentage of fatalities in NY that were residents of nursing homes or long term care facilities.
NY is reporting that figure as only 11.9%, which is implausibly low.
I agree. This was the story that came out from the NY Post on Sunday. Says that 5,244 of the deaths are from nursing homes, 2,598 confirmed and 2,646 presumed. Their total number at the end of the day on May 9 was 26,771, which includes presumed dead. That would be about a 19.5% rate from nursing homes, and even that may be low.
It seems the person who put this map together is using NYs death total, including presumed deaths, and comparing it with the nursing home confirmed death rate only, excluding presumed.
The rural zones are where my concern sits right now. Big cities seem to have the resources to handle it and may be seeing downward trends based on new case data, but it seems to be ramping up in the rural counties east of I-35. Again, hard to say because of lots of noise in the data.
Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for sharing.
Anyone who looks at the data and still thinks that schools should be closed in the fall (3-4 months from now) needs to get their head examined.
This is taking a heavy mental health toll on young and adolescent kids. They aren't meant to be locked in their houses for 9 months; sequestered from all of their friends and not even allowed to go on a playground for a virus that is basically harmless to them.
6 deaths from kids 1-14 from COVID since February 1st to May 6th. In the entire country. In the same time period, 144 kids of the same age range have died of Influenza and Pneumonia. That's 24x the number of COVID 19 deaths.
source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex
I wouldnt be surprised if more kids have been killed in domestic violence incidences over the same time period as a result of the lock down. I guarantee there have been more that have committed suicide as a result of being locked in their homes with their parents. I know of one case personally in Georgetown, unfortunately.
On top of all the social media and news that is going around and the fear being pushed in almost every single outlet, we are creating a large number of cases of anxiety and depression among our children, for something that has very little impact on their lives. It's an absolute travesty.
This is taking a heavy mental health toll on young and adolescent kids. They aren't meant to be locked in their houses for 9 months; sequestered from all of their friends and not even allowed to go on a playground for a virus that is basically harmless to them.
6 deaths from kids 1-14 from COVID since February 1st to May 6th. In the entire country. In the same time period, 144 kids of the same age range have died of Influenza and Pneumonia. That's 24x the number of COVID 19 deaths.
source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex
I wouldnt be surprised if more kids have been killed in domestic violence incidences over the same time period as a result of the lock down. I guarantee there have been more that have committed suicide as a result of being locked in their homes with their parents. I know of one case personally in Georgetown, unfortunately.
On top of all the social media and news that is going around and the fear being pushed in almost every single outlet, we are creating a large number of cases of anxiety and depression among our children, for something that has very little impact on their lives. It's an absolute travesty.
39% of deaths in nursing homes or LTC
43% of US deaths are NYC Metro
34% of all US cases are NYC Metro
Quarantine NYC Metro and let the rest of us handle cases as they come up.
43% of US deaths are NYC Metro
34% of all US cases are NYC Metro
Quarantine NYC Metro and let the rest of us handle cases as they come up.
BadMoonRisin said:
Anyone who looks this data and still thinks that schools should be closed in the fall (3-4 months from now) needs to get their head examined.
This is taking a heavy mental health toll on young and adolescent kids. They aren't meant to be locked in their houses for 9 months; sequestered from all of their friends and not even allowed to go on a playground for a virus that is basically harmless to them.
6 deaths from kids 1-14 from COVID since February. In the entire country. I wouldnt be surprised if more kids have been killed in domestic violence incidences over the same time period as a result of the lock down.
Agree. So it makes perfect sense that the California State schools just announced they're closing through the Fall semester. Who is advising these people??
This is a really interesting article from Iceland which has done aggressive generic testing of the infected population. Lots of interesting info but this really got my attention:
https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/blog/hunting-down-covid-19/
Obviously this needs more research, but if it's true, then the idea of kids as transmission vectors for the adults in school can be managed, and the adults just have to be more careful with each other. Which they can do, they're adults. Add in the fact that women are less likely to get infected in the first place. What percentage of school teachers and administrators are women? 85%? I hope these finding can be replicated because if true, it's a game-changer for opening up schools and by default the economy.Quote:
The clinical diversity of COVID-19 is another big question. Some people describe it as a mild cold. Others end up on a respirator and die.
Men are much more likely to become infected than women. If women get infected, they do not get as sick as men.
Children under 10 are less likely to get infected than adults and if they get infected, they are less likely to get seriously ill. What is interesting is that even if children do get infected, they are less likely to transmit the disease to others than adults. We have not found a single instance of a child infecting parents.
https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/blog/hunting-down-covid-19/
This.
My 5 year old absolutely loved preschool. She loved her teacher, her friends, and just being a ham and telling us all about it when she got home.
The changes in her personality the last couple months have been difficult to watch. Her normal self is still there most of the time, but there are days where it's clear she's depressed and lonely and has no idea how to handle it. She stopped asking "what are we going to do today?" a couple weeks ago. She knows the answer now.
We can't even really spoil her to make up for it. Bored, here are your choices?
A walk to the trail by an empty playground she can't play on for the 3rd time today.
A trip to the nearby Chick-fil-A...drive-thru. you can look at the play place from there car while your 3 year old sister screams because she's way too young to understand why we never go in anymore.
Costco? Dad will wear a mask. You will too. No, there aren't samples, and no there isn't ice cream at the food court.
Extra time on your tablet? Can only offer that so much before you worry about her brain breaking in other ways.
Oh, we can finally go to church! No, no, you can't sit in the pew next to your cousins.
My 5 year old absolutely loved preschool. She loved her teacher, her friends, and just being a ham and telling us all about it when she got home.
The changes in her personality the last couple months have been difficult to watch. Her normal self is still there most of the time, but there are days where it's clear she's depressed and lonely and has no idea how to handle it. She stopped asking "what are we going to do today?" a couple weeks ago. She knows the answer now.
We can't even really spoil her to make up for it. Bored, here are your choices?
A walk to the trail by an empty playground she can't play on for the 3rd time today.
A trip to the nearby Chick-fil-A...drive-thru. you can look at the play place from there car while your 3 year old sister screams because she's way too young to understand why we never go in anymore.
Costco? Dad will wear a mask. You will too. No, there aren't samples, and no there isn't ice cream at the food court.
Extra time on your tablet? Can only offer that so much before you worry about her brain breaking in other ways.
Oh, we can finally go to church! No, no, you can't sit in the pew next to your cousins.
aggietony2010 said:
This.
My 5 year old absolutely loved preschool. She loved her teacher, her friends, and just being a ham and telling us all about it when she got home.
The changes in her personality the last couple months have been difficult to watch. Her normal self is still there most of the time, but there are days where it's clear she's depressed and lonely and has no idea how to handle it. She stopped asking "what are we going to do today?" a couple weeks ago. She knows the answer now.
We can't even really spoil her to make up for it. Bored, here are your choices?
A walk to the trail by an empty playground she can't play on for the 3rd time today.
A trip to the nearby Chick-fil-A...drive-thru. you can look at the play place from there car while your 3 year old sister screams because she's way too young to understand why we never go in anymore.
Costco? Dad will wear a mask. You will too. No, there aren't samples, and no there isn't ice cream at the food court.
Extra time on your tablet? Can only offer that so much before you worry about her brain breaking in other ways.
Oh, we can finally go to church! No, no, you can't sit in the pew next to your cousins.
Same here with my 5 year old. He says he is "down in the dumps" and mentions missing his friends and school several times a week. It sucks. With both myself and my wife working from home full time, the amount of screen time he gets and lack of friends to play with and things to look forward to is not good.
Well..staff is deleting post on this thread
Guess they are taking the CNN approach
Nice to know
Guess they are taking the CNN approach
Nice to know
A CDC database from 2/1/2020 through 4/11/2020 showed that the percentage of deaths from all causes and the percentage of deaths just from COVID in people 65 and over is statistically the same. I have not seen that stat anywhere else nor heard any discussion of same.
Another interesting stat from that database... during that period of time, about 10 weeks, the number of total deaths from all causes was about 100,000 people less than the statistical projections for that period. At a time when COVID deaths were about 35,000 in the US, we had actually had fewer people die from all causes.
Another interesting stat from that database... during that period of time, about 10 weeks, the number of total deaths from all causes was about 100,000 people less than the statistical projections for that period. At a time when COVID deaths were about 35,000 in the US, we had actually had fewer people die from all causes.
buffalo chip,
Not sure where you got that information, but all-cause deaths are actually up.
Also, using 2/11 is a weird starting point, considering that on March 1st there was only one confirmed case of COVID death in the entire country. It's the kind of starting point that's used to try to twist a narrative.
We had COVID 60,000 deaths in the month of April, and that's an above average flu SEASON. In the month of April, COVID was a top 3 cause of death in the US, along with cardiovascular disease and cancer. The fact that we went from 75 cases and 1 death from COVID on March 1st to 60,000 deaths in the month of April, even after locking down the country and making it as hard as possible for the virus to spread should tell you that this virus was very deadly and easily transmissable.
And yes, places that did not have a big outbreak like Texas actually saw less deaths than normal because people were not driving around and doing other daily dangerous things.
This is such a tired argument that I don't know why I bother to respond to these things anymore, I just can't handle the outright misinformation that is spread on this board.
Not sure where you got that information, but all-cause deaths are actually up.
Also, using 2/11 is a weird starting point, considering that on March 1st there was only one confirmed case of COVID death in the entire country. It's the kind of starting point that's used to try to twist a narrative.
We had COVID 60,000 deaths in the month of April, and that's an above average flu SEASON. In the month of April, COVID was a top 3 cause of death in the US, along with cardiovascular disease and cancer. The fact that we went from 75 cases and 1 death from COVID on March 1st to 60,000 deaths in the month of April, even after locking down the country and making it as hard as possible for the virus to spread should tell you that this virus was very deadly and easily transmissable.
And yes, places that did not have a big outbreak like Texas actually saw less deaths than normal because people were not driving around and doing other daily dangerous things.
This is such a tired argument that I don't know why I bother to respond to these things anymore, I just can't handle the outright misinformation that is spread on this board.
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