Good article retweeted by respected UK expert Jon Otter

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Sisyphus
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To be clear, the warning is specific to developing countries, not countries like the US
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Sisyphus said:

To be clear, the warning is specific to developing countries, not countries like the US
The kids in abusive homes in the US aren't experiencing less abuse from their household now that their only oasis from said abuse has been taken away from them. The shutdowns are going to kill kids in abusive households. Don't believe me ask your local LEOs
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And...?
Federale01
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Guns don't kill people and lockdowns don't kill people. People kill people. It's disingenuous to blame the policy for the actions of horrible people.
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That's a cool little slogan if you're competing on your high school debate team. But it doesn't remedy the issues at hand and at some point civic leaders have to deal with the real world unintended consequences of shutting down society. Domestic violence and child abuse is up across the board. The spike in cases has coincided with the lockdown. Now I'm not saying that the two are related... but they're related.
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Federale01 said:

Guns don't kill people and lockdowns don't kill people. People kill people. It's disingenuous to blame the policy for the actions of horrible people.
Actions have consequences. If you lock down places like lower class India where people where people are having trouble getting food in the first place than people will die. Suicides follow the unemployment curve so they are estimating 10,000+ deaths this year. But policies don't matter
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I'm not saying they aren't related. Domestic violence goes up during during NFL games as well. Anytime you have a domestic violence situation increasing stress and time together will trigger events. But it's not the policy that is causing the violence.

I am I favor of opening up in most areas and realize we have to take the wider picture into account in making policy. But trying to blame any negative action conducted during the lockdown on the lockdown isn't rational. Let's Blame the lockdown for the increase of high speed vehicle crashes because people are speeding on empty roads, etc. Blaming the lockdown instead of the people abrogates their guilt and tries to use emotion to change policy.
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We only care about American MeeMaws
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Federale01 said:

I'm not saying they aren't related. Domestic violence goes up during during NFL games as well. Anytime you have a domestic violence situation increasing stress and time together will trigger events. But it's not the policy that is causing the violence.
The "policy" is making people stay at home so yes it is
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In the overwhelming majority of places in the US, that is not the case. Businesses are closed so people are staying home, but I can't think of a single place in the US that has mandated people stay in their homes. While they have been called stay at home orders, people have been allowed to go to parks, stores, drive around, etc. Few places have imposed a pass system as we saw in Europe. There is nothing in the policy that prevents a person from leaving a stressful or dangerous situation. Of course we are talking about kids in this particular case, so they are reliant on someone else, but others could still take the kid out of that environment during the day if the resources are there.
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Contact your local CASA (Child Advocates) Office and ask what they're seeing and then ask if you can donate or offer help because I can tell you without a doubt that they are overwhelmed right now.
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Federale01 said:

In the overwhelming majority of places in the US, that is not the case. Businesses are closed so people are staying home, but I can't think of a single place in the US that has mandated people stay in their homes. While they have been called stay at home orders, people have been allowed to go to parks, stores, drive around, etc. Few places have imposed a pass system as we saw in Europe. There is nothing in the policy that prevents a person from leaving a stressful or dangerous situation. Of course we are talking about kids in this particular case, so they are reliant on someone else, but others could still take the kid out of that environment during the day if the resources are there.

Arguing that these stay at home orders have not created an environment more conducive for increased domestic violence is one of the most stupid things I've read on this board.
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