Deaths over 100 vs deaths under 45

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Pretty amazing series of stats from PN here:

Diyala Nick
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The lockdowns are clearly insane at this point. Test the hell out of nursing homes and people 70 and older. Everyone else, return.
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I'm honestly not sure which of those stats is more amazing, which one puts the threat of COVID19 in the best perspective.

Is it the deaths over 100 being greater than the deaths under 45? Every time someone has a 100th birthday it seems like it makes the news it's so rare.

Is it the deaths over 85 being higher than the deaths under 85? Here you're really drilling down to the facts of where our focus needs to be, on protecting those over 85 (and other high-risk groups).


Or is it the higher number of deaths over 95 than under 60? How many people do any of you know over 95? I'm not sure a single person in my extended family
has even lived that long.

Does seeing these stats drive the reality of COVID19 home to anyone? Does it make anyone stop to ask why this type of context doesn't permeate all COVID19 discussions and coverage?



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DTP02 said:

I'm honestly not sure which of those stats is more amazing, which one puts the threat of COVID19 in the best perspective.

Is it the deaths over 100 being greater than the deaths under 45? Every time someone has a 100th birthday it seems like it makes the news.

Is it the deaths over 85 being higher than the deaths under 85? Here you're really drilling down to the facts of where our focus needs to be, on protecting those over 85 (and other high-risk groups).


Or is it the higher number of deaths over 95 than under 60? How many people do any of you know over 95? I'm not sure a single person in my extended family
has even lived that long.

Does seeing these stats drive the reality of COVID19 home to anyone?






My fathers side lives "long" but 95 is about the end of the line. Plenty of smoking and alcohol in the history, so in context, long.

I can't think of someone close to be right now that is 90+, I also do not know and have not known anyone that has covid.
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Amazing stats. Would like to see similar comparison on a national scale.

Can't help but wonder what % of the over 100 population that makes up in the state. Thought living that long was more uncommon
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Another striking stat: Massachusetts has more than four times as many deaths over 80 as deaths under 70

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Somewhat off topic but Japan has over 70,000 people over aged 100 and yet less than 1,000 total covid deaths as a nation. Japan's shutdown response has drawn lots of criticism (being on an island helps) but I can't help but wonder of there's something about the way the Japanese culture handles its elderly (e.g. generational living and not sending elderly family members to nursing homes and long-term care facilities) that aids in its fight against this pandemic.
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It wouldn't be inclusive to treat groups differently.
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Alex Berenson tweeted that exact stat out a month ago.
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What a travesty this has been
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Before these stats were available, I understood the logic of closing schools as precaution. However, with these number, there is absolutely no reason to continue keeping children at home.
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I'm NOT saying this is the flu. This obviously hits the elderly very hard. I am curious how the death rate compares to elderly that get the flu? Do folks over 100 often survive the flu? What about people over 85? Is Covid a lot worse than the flu for the elderly population?
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tysker said:

Somewhat off topic but Japan has over 70,000 people over aged 100 and yet less than 1,000 total covid deaths as a nation. Japan's shutdown response has drawn lots of criticism (being on an island helps) but I can't help but wonder of there's something about the way the Japanese culture handles its elderly (e.g. generational living and not sending elderly family members to nursing homes and long-term care facilities) that aids in its fight against this pandemic.
generational living is very common in Italy and Spain. I think Japan and Korea were just better prepared. Being so close to China, they kinda have to be.
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Before these stats were available, I understood the logic of closing schools as precaution. However, with these number, there is absolutely no reason to continue keeping children at home.
Sadly this stat was available the entire time it was in the United States. I heard on CNN of all places on Friday March 20th that the average age of fatality due to COVID in Italy was over 78. This point in time was when I realized that there was very little to be scared of if you were a relatively healthy 50 or under.
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billydean05 said:

Observer said:

Before these stats were available, I understood the logic of closing schools as precaution. However, with these number, there is absolutely no reason to continue keeping children at home.
Sadly this stat was available the entire time it was in the United States. I heard on CNN of all places on Friday March 20th that the average age of fatality due to COVID in Italy was over 78. This point in time was when I realized that there was very little to be scared of if you were a relatively healthy 50 or under.
According to the above numbers, if you are under 65 and relatively heathy, COVID-19 the risk of death is not significantly higher than other causes. It seems to working age and younger population, COVID-19 is perhaps a severe flu.

Multiple governers across the nation continued to extend lock down with the premesis that they are acting based on scientific evidences. Well, scientific evidence is very clear on the vulnerable segment and "immune" segment of the population.

The data clearly supports opening up the economy and finding a different approach to protect the older population. When the economy is open back up, COVID-19 number will likely increase. But why does it really matter if the increase is mostly in the "immune" segment of the population?

I understand many people in the press are not of scientific background, thus to them, number is just number. However, I am deeply disappointed at the lack of logical recommendations based on these data from sciencetific communities.

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Does anyone have a link to similar data, but for the entire US?
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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex

A little lag but yes this link CDC based off of death certificates. Over half deaths 75+ 1/3 of deaths 85+
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