Positive Thread on Events from May 25th forward - Trends looking much better

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DadHammer
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Looking at the curves from Italy and Spain, after about 10-12 weeks the number off infected is dropping fast.

Very good news.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

Sweden looking pretty steady also

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Despite much more testing the infection rate in the good ole USA is trending down.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Things are looking much much better and the light at the end of the tunnel is clearly visible.
DadHammer
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From Dr. Coates - More positive news...

For the people still living in fear of Covid-19.
You don't have to here is the latest estimates of mortality rates from the CDC which is not far off of the numbers I gave you the other night. Basically if you are under 50 it is less than the flu and over 50 greater than the flu.

Per CDC, symptomatic case fatality rates by age:
0-49 yrs: 0.02% - 0.1%
50-64: 0.1% - 0.6%
65+: 0.6% - 3.2%
All ages: 0.2% - 1%

Symptomatic case hospitalization rates by age:
0-49 yrs: 1.3% - 2.6%
50-64: 3.6% - 5.7%
65+: 5.2% - 10%
All ages: 2.8% - 4.1%

The CDC estimates that between 20% and 50% of infections are asymptomatic.

As for Asymptomatic patients. Even more reasons to not live in fear as new study shows they may not be as infectious as we once suspected.
In this study they followed all of the contacts of 35 asymptomatic patients. This included hospital staff, family members and patients, who were routinely screened. This totaled up to 455 contacts 224 hospital staffs, 196 family members and 35 patients who had been exposed. They followed all of these 455 contacts who were exposed to asymptomatic patients. The median contact time was 4 days for patients and 5 days for family members. During the quarantine seven patients plus one family member developed mild respiratory symptoms and fever. There were no severe respiratory symptoms. All CT images showed no signs of Covid-19 and all tested negative. In summary they concluded all the 455 contacts were excluded from SARS-CoV-2 infection and we conclude that the infectivity of some asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers might be weak.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7219423/
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DadHammer said:

Looking at the curves from Italy and Spain, after about 10-12 weeks the number off infected is dropping fast.

Very good news.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

Sweden looking pretty steady also

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Despite much more testing the infection rate in the good ole USA is trending down.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Things are looking much much better and the light at the end of the tunnel is clearly visible.

What's up with Spain -2000 deaths yesterday? Reincarnation? Zombies?
Pasquale Liucci
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Why is the CDC scenario analysis not front page news everywhere? Even the high end estimates are an order of magnitude off the original beliefs about disease severity.
Aust Ag
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Film of lots of people at pools and beaches more interesting maybe?
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Lester Freamon said:

Why is the CDC scenario analysis not front page news everywhere? Even the high end estimates are an order of magnitude off the original beliefs about disease severity.
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This is insane. From mid January on, I was very much in favor of proceeding with an abundance of caution. Even until recently still felt like we ALL needed to adopt changes in order to prevent increasing infections. But with this info... open it back up. Adopt changes only to protect vulnerable populations.

Also.. for those counting at home, US positive tests are now under 5% for first time since this started. Case counts continue to decrease despite increased testing.
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Lester Freamon said:

Also.. for those counting at home, US positive tests are now under 5% for first time since this started. Case counts continue to decrease despite increased testing.

"Case counts continue to decrease despite increased testing" (and despite states opening things back up.)

Georgia has been open since April 24th and they're doing very well.

That has been the take home for me for the past couple of weeks.

It should be headline news but we know positive stuff doesn't get the clicks.
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Lester Freamon said:

Why is the CDC scenario analysis not front page news everywhere? Even the high end estimates are an order of magnitude off the original beliefs about disease severity.


Unlike many, I don't think the biggest driver is politics. Hopefully staff will allow some apolitical opinions on the subject:

As to the average citizen, it's largely a product of denial brought about in significant part by what psychologists would call cultural cognition. Basically, faced with what initially appeared to be an existential threat, people adopted a view of the virus and how we should treat it that became entrenched. Now, people follow the opinion leaders who affirm that entrenched view despite the mounting evidence to the contrary. The real trick is that the people who are ignoring the evidence have convinced themselves that they are the people who are following the science and facts. In the social media age, far too many people only consume media which confirms their existing bias, which makes changing entrenched viewpoints a slower and more difficult process.

As to the media which so heavily influences opinions directly and indirectly, there are a few apolitical forces at play. The first is the fact that negativity sells, it makes for more compelling stories (much harder to ignore the report of a threat than it is to ignore good news, that's just basic psychology as we are wired to be attuned to potential threats) and drives ratings. The second is that the media has long ago abdicated its position as the cynical watchdogs of public policy. The modern media is frankly quite lazy, which has led to a tendency to just report along with the crowd instead of looking at the facts and letting that determine the reporting. The third is the unfortunate circumstance of the hottest spot for the Worldwide COVID19 outbreak occurring in the world's media capital, NYC. The media doesn't have perspective because they are in the center of the storm.


Changing views and the narrative, which is probably what it will take for widespread policy and societal changes, is going to take time. It's moving, but far too slow for my liking. We are weeks or months behind the science and data right now. We still somehow have media types and policy-making figures worried about protecting children from this.

It's nonsensical, but I do hope we will see that kind of thinking change over the next month or so. My fear is that some of the inevitable isolated upticks in infections and deaths as we open things up some will give fuel to the irrational fears and influence policy in the wrong direction again.
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Excellent post DTP!
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JamesE4 said:

DadHammer said:

Looking at the curves from Italy and Spain, after about 10-12 weeks the number off infected is dropping fast.

Very good news.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

Sweden looking pretty steady also

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Despite much more testing the infection rate in the good ole USA is trending down.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Things are looking much much better and the light at the end of the tunnel is clearly visible.

What's up with Spain -2000 deaths yesterday? Reincarnation? Zombies?

They changed their methodology somewhat to align with other countries.
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DTP02 said:

Lester Freamon said:

Why is the CDC scenario analysis not front page news everywhere? Even the high end estimates are an order of magnitude off the original beliefs about disease severity.


It's nonsensical, but I do hope we will see that kind of thinking change over the next month or so. My fear is that some of the inevitable isolated upticks in infections and deaths as we open things up some will give fuel to the irrational fears and influence policy in the wrong direction again.


The focus should be on acceptable risk to get schools open. There will be a non-zero amount of risk that will accompany schools opening, and we will have to very carefully walk parents and districts through the reopening without any real thought that they could stop an outbreak.
Aust Ag
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Heck of a post DTP. You said everything I think, but am unable to post so eloquently and precise!

I'm really frustrated with how the media has handled all this. I understand that like college football, the media is a business. Bigger ratings = bigger profit. But damn, Fox and CNN are both guilty of having a damn "tote board" at the beginning of every show, showing growing (gasp!) cases! All for ratings, blowing up fear. Shame on them.

I'm hoping one of the things that transpire out of all this, especially if we look back in 6 months and it was all (hopefully) overblown, there will be a media backlash.
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Fox News and CNN are both total garbage and I question the decision-making of anyone that watches/reads them. Both have unbelievable bias that is evident from the get-go. They know who their base is and they tell them what they want to hear.
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PJYoung said:

Lester Freamon said:

Also.. for those counting at home, US positive tests are now under 5% for first time since this started. Case counts continue to decrease despite increased testing.

"Case counts continue to decrease despite increased testing" (and despite states opening things back up.)

Georgia has been open since April 24th and they're doing very well.

That has been the take home for me for the past couple of weeks.

It should be headline news but we know positive stuff doesn't get the clicks.
I'm in a wait and see approach with Georgia's numbers as they've been flat out misleading at points and their curve is all over the place.

Fingers crossed that they are trending down, but time will tell.
DadHammer
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Death projections for Sweden have now fallen to below 6,000 by September 1st. The other projections ended August 4th.

Looking better all the time.

[url=https://covid19-projections.com/sweden][/url]https://covid19-projections.com/sweden
Carolin_Gallego
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But.... Sweden has had the world's highest corona death rate per capita two weeks in a row.
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we need memory-erasing neuralyzers (from Men in Black) to use on the population.
90% of the problem now is psychological. Example: saw a masked guy by himself changing his tire on a hot highway last weekend...
DadHammer
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Carolin_Gallego said:

But.... Sweden has had the world's highest corona death rate per capita two weeks in a row.


They are number 8, behind your beloved lock down countries of U.K., Italy, France, Spain, and Belgium. They will also rebound faster as more people become immune.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Not that your comment has anything to do with their expected death rate falling but that's not why you posted is it?
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Great post. Politics cannot be dismissed, however.
DadHammer
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https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/daily-new-covid-19-cases/

Houston area hospitals looking good. ICU capacity 14 day growth at the no concern level.

This is a good site to check out. Got the link from dragmypuff post.
DadHammer
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In two weeks the average death per day has dropped from 1,500 to about a 1,000.

If the trend continues we will be out of the woods soon and get back to work, life, and liberty.
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DadHammer said:

In two weeks the average death per day has dropped from 1,500 to about a 1,000.

If the trend continues we will be out of the woods soon and get back to work, life, and liberty.

Beginning with Easter week (April 19th-25th).

Daily average deaths in the US in the 6 weeks since Easter:

2,143.57
1,884.00
1,799.14
1,384.00
1,224.29
983.00
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DTP02 said:

Lester Freamon said:

Why is the CDC scenario analysis not front page news everywhere? Even the high end estimates are an order of magnitude off the original beliefs about disease severity.


Unlike many, I don't think the biggest driver is politics. Hopefully staff will allow some apolitical opinions on the subject:

As to the average citizen, it's largely a product of denial brought about in significant part by what psychologists would call cultural cognition. Basically, faced with what initially appeared to be an existential threat, people adopted a view of the virus and how we should treat it that became entrenched. Now, people follow the opinion leaders who affirm that entrenched view despite the mounting evidence to the contrary. The real trick is that the people who are ignoring the evidence have convinced themselves that they are the people who are following the science and facts. In the social media age, far too many people only consume media which confirms their existing bias, which makes changing entrenched viewpoints a slower and more difficult process.

As to the media which so heavily influences opinions directly and indirectly, there are a few apolitical forces at play. The first is the fact that negativity sells, it makes for more compelling stories (much harder to ignore the report of a threat than it is to ignore good news, that's just basic psychology as we are wired to be attuned to potential threats) and drives ratings. The second is that the media has long ago abdicated its position as the cynical watchdogs of public policy. The modern media is frankly quite lazy, which has led to a tendency to just report along with the crowd instead of looking at the facts and letting that determine the reporting. The third is the unfortunate circumstance of the hottest spot for the Worldwide COVID19 outbreak occurring in the world's media capital, NYC. The media doesn't have perspective because they are in the center of the storm.


Changing views and the narrative, which is probably what it will take for widespread policy and societal changes, is going to take time. It's moving, but far too slow for my liking. We are weeks or months behind the science and data right now. We still somehow have media types and policy-making figures worried about protecting children from this.

It's nonsensical, but I do hope we will see that kind of thinking change over the next month or so. My fear is that some of the inevitable isolated upticks in infections and deaths as we open things up some will give fuel to the irrational fears and influence policy in the wrong direction again.
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