Interesting stuff

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/09/health/covid-19-investigation-aircraft-carrier/index.html

Interesting for sure but I don't believe the mask bit, unless they were wearing actual respirators....

More likely the people wearing masks were also practicing better social distancing and hand hygiene.

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Tx-Ag2010 said:

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Interesting for sure but I don't believe the mask bit, unless they were wearing actual respirators....

More likely the people wearing masks were also practicing better social distancing and hand hygiene.

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I tend to think that those who object to face masks do so because they are afraid that they will look silly. There is no reason to think that they don't help -- the question is how much.

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I don't doubt they do something. I have a beard and so short of me wearing my PAPR into stores I don't think I would get much benefit from a cloth mask. Personally I'm willing to risk not wearing a mask and just not come within 6' of people.

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Tx-Ag2010 said:

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eric76 said:

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Tx-Ag2010 said:

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Interesting for sure but I don't believe the mask bit, unless they were wearing actual respirators....

More likely the people wearing masks were also practicing better social distancing and hand hygiene.

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I tend to think that those who object to face masks do so because they are afraid that they will look silly. There is no reason to think that they don't help -- the question is how much.

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I don't doubt they do something. I have a beard and so short of me wearing my PAPR into stores I don't think I would get much benefit from a cloth mask. Personally I'm willing to risk not wearing a mask and just not come within 6' of people.

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Years ago when my next to oldest brother was a pilot in Alaska, he had to shave his beard at times so that he could wear a mask when he was going to be around wells that were emitting poison gas.

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Tx-Ag2010 said:

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eric76 said:

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Tx-Ag2010 said:

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Interesting for sure but I don't believe the mask bit, unless they were wearing actual respirators....

More likely the people wearing masks were also practicing better social distancing and hand hygiene.

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I tend to think that those who object to face masks do so because they are afraid that they will look silly. There is no reason to think that they don't help -- the question is how much.

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I don't doubt they do something. I have a beard and so short of me wearing my PAPR into stores I don't think I would get much benefit from a cloth mask. Personally I'm willing to risk not wearing a mask and just not come within 6' of people.

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They aren't for your protection.

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I realize this hence my statement about not going near people, so I don't unknowingly give it to them. I will be damned if I wear a mask on the golf course, fishing, exercising outdoors, etc... if nobody is within 20'.

I thought the the other details from the story were a lot more interesting than the mask part.

Great news:

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The majority -- nearly 60% -- of sailors in the study who had antibodies had neutralizing ones, "a promising indicator of at least short-term immunity," the researchers wrote.

"What we saw was that most of the infections were actually mild, in addition to those that were asymptomatic," Payne told reporters Tuesday.

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Great news:

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The majority -- nearly 60% -- of sailors in the study who had antibodies had neutralizing ones, "a promising indicator of at least short-term immunity," the researchers wrote.

"What we saw was that most of the infections were actually mild, in addition to those that were asymptomatic," Payne told reporters Tuesday.

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Am I misunderstanding something in this quote? I am interpreting it as saying that 40% of the sailors who had antibodies did not actually have neutralizing antibodies. This seems concerning....?

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Has nothing to do with looking silly.

They are a major inconvenience(to me, don't care if you don't think they are) and damper my mood immediately upon seeing them. In MOST instances, they are very unnecessary and not worth those two things. When you have people in close proximity for extended periods of time such as a ship? Sure they make a little sense. A quick in and out trip to heb where you make sure not to be too close to one person too long? All but useless imho.

To each their own. I'll where them when I have to it when it makes sense, and not a second more. I'd like to see a smile every now and then, and feel like normal every now and then.

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Couldn't agree more.

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KidDoc said:

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Great news:

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The majority -- nearly 60% -- of sailors in the study who had antibodies had neutralizing ones, "a promising indicator of at least short-term immunity," the researchers wrote.

"What we saw was that most of the infections were actually mild, in addition to those that were asymptomatic," Payne told reporters Tuesday.

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Am I misunderstanding something in this quote? I am interpreting it as saying that 40% of the sailors who had antibodies did not actually have neutralizing antibodies. This seems concerning....?

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Concerning but it is still unknown what level of IgM or IgG is protective. IgM is usually transient protection anyway. Most Coronoviruses only give very short term protection, like 2 months, so this is good news overall.

Thanks for the clarification!

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Interesting for sure but I don't believe the mask bit, unless they were wearing actual respirators....

More likely the people wearing masks were also practicing better social distancing and hand hygiene.

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I tend to think that those who object to face masks do so because they are afraid that they will look silly. There is no reason to think that they don't help -- the question is how much.

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I don't doubt they do something. I have a beard and so short of me wearing my PAPR into stores I don't think I would get much benefit from a cloth mask. Personally I'm willing to risk not wearing a mask and just not come within 6' of people.

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They aren't for your protection.

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Nonsense.

They undoubtedly do more to protect others from you if you have covid-19, but they do offer some amount of protection to you from others.

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You won't wear a mask because you're selfish. At least admit it.

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Nope. I don't wear a mask because they're virtually useless. And I don't think that the absolute panic they perpetuate is worth negligible gain.

Or many be I think we should all have chicken pox parties, get to herd immunity, and get back to normal.

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Virtually useless? Please stop with the nonsense.

New study from Germany says otherwise.

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We use the synthetic control method to analyze the effect of face masks on the spread of Covid-19 in Germany. Our identification approach exploits regional variation in the point in time when face masks became compulsory. Depending on the region we analyse, we find that face masks reduced the cumulative number of registered Covid-19 cases between 2.3% and 13% over a period of 10 days after they became compulsory. Assessing the credibility of the various estimates, we conclude that face masks reduce the daily growth rate of reported infections by around 40%.

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https://www.iza.org/publications/dp/13319/face-masks-considerably-reduce-covid-19-cases-in-germany-a-synthetic-control-method-approach

Masks keep the spread of SARS-COV-2 down, our economy open and our lives relatively close to normal.

Its the least we can all do along with keeping good social distance practices and hygiene to keep numbers and new infections down and prevent a second wave.

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Interesting website for a mask study- the German institute of Labor Economics and you cannot even see any details in the study. And from the blurb you can see it is 2.3% to 13% decrease that is a huge range. Also there are confounding issues of social distancing, hand washing, shutdowns that is hard to know exactly what intervention is doing what.

There is no doubt that N95, and to a lesser extent, surgical masks are effective in decreasing spread potential. Poorly made, poorly sealed, improperly worn and maintained cloth masks may do more harm than good according to older studies (2015) of health care workers. The linked study is just a statistical model we need better hard data. The only study I have found that actually studies various masks with cough in COVID patients showed no efficacy.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85814

This one was with flu in 2015 : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/