Brother in SA tested Positive

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1:55p, 6/25/20
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He thinks he caught it at the gym, Lifetime Fitness. But he's not sure. Symptoms are mild body aches and fever. He said he's had worse allergies and is pissed he has to stay home now. He is 41.

Also, the doctor he saw told him that every case she had seen was mild and her opinion was the crisis is overblown. Granted, she works at a Texas MedClinic and not an ER.
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In reply to Ag Natural • 2:16p, 6/25/20
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Duck and cover
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In reply to Ag Natural • 10:39p, 6/25/20
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Also, the doctor he saw told him that every case she had seen was mild and her opinion was the crisis is overblown. Granted, she works at a Texas MedClinic and not an ER.
One thing that has become very apparent during this pandemic is that a lot of doctors have either forgotten, or never learned in med school, how to critically appraise evidence and data. Current med school curriculums hit this stuff very hard.

In this case, assuming this was a doctor and not a PA/NP (no offense to them, as there are many good ones), the fact that she is using her anecdotal experience instead of the overwhelming evidence, to draw conclusions and spread information that is counter to what public health experts are saying, tells me she was probably also one of the people trying to hoard hydroxychloroquine.
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10:59p, 6/25/20
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But can you blame her with how often all of the experts have been wrong through this?

I have a hard time blaming someone for giving first hand experiences more weight through this.
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In reply to Russ11 • 11:08p, 6/25/20
Russ11 said:
But can you blame her with how often all of the experts have been wrong through this?

I have a hard time blaming someone for giving first hand experiences more weight through this.


You say experts were wrong. Were they? On some stuff, but they were operating with the limited information they had at the time. To use your phrase, hard to blame someone who made recommendations based on the data they had at the time. There's a reason it is called "practicing medicine."
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In reply to Russ11 • 11:20p, 6/25/20
Russ11 said:
But can you blame her with how often all of the experts have been wrong through this?

I have a hard time blaming someone for giving first hand experiences more weight through this.
Absolutely. Modern medicine is based on evidence. If she gave someone morphine for an appendicitis, and that person somehow survives, she can't start practicing medicine that way. Likewise, it is irresponsible to draw conclusions based on a limited data set, when more and better quality data is out there. If she had prefaced what she said with "based off the patient population I have seen in my clinic, this doesn't appear as bad locally as it has been nationally or in other regions. But I also am not working in critical care or actual emergency rooms." that would've been a far more accurate and responsible thing to tell others.
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In reply to AggieOO • 11:20p, 6/25/20
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AggieOO said:
Russ11 said:
But can you blame her with how often all of the experts have been wrong through this?

I have a hard time blaming someone for giving first hand experiences more weight through this.


You say experts were wrong. Were they? On some stuff, but they were operating with the limited information they had at the time. To use your phrase, hard to blame someone who made recommendations based on the data they had at the time. There's a reason it is called "practicing medicine."


Agreed, I think everyone is doing the best the can throughout this, was just trying to say that I don't think it is fair to belittle her in this case because she doesn't think the world is ending.
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11:26p, 6/25/20
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If your both a medical expert and also uber political - it is a conflict of interest 100% of the time and your opinion is invalid

In a perfect world - you'd have no idea whose "side" a medical expert, media member, or referee was on
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In reply to Ag Natural • 11:54p, 6/25/20
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Ag Natural said:
He thinks he caught it at the gym, Lifetime Fitness. But he's not sure. Symptoms are mild body aches and fever. He said he's had worse allergies and is pissed he has to stay home now. He is 41.

Also, the doctor he saw told him that every case she had seen was mild and her opinion was the crisis is overblown. Granted, she works at a Texas MedClinic and not an ER.


Better shut down the economy just to be sure.
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In reply to TexasAggie008 • 6:57a, 6/26/20
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TexasAggie008 said:
If your both a medical expert and also uber political - it is a conflict of interest 100% of the time and your opinion is invalid

In a perfect world - you'd have no idea whose "side" a medical expert, media member, or referee was on
This is absolutely true on both sides throughout this pandemic.

In fact, it's possible that the smarter you are, the more likely it is that your brain will be able to do mental gymnastics to make the facts fit your strong biases.

https://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/1794/22105/833.pdf?
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In reply to bigtruckguy3500 • 7:05a, 6/26/20
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what exactly is the overwhelming evidence?

4% of the entire cohort requiring hospitalization and that is weighted heavily towards people of advanced age or having diabetes or hypertension or a combination of such.

so yeah, if you're not seeing that group, you're likely not seeing the full range of the disease affliction

for people under 40, the hospitalization rate has been calc's at sub 1%
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10:10a, 6/26/20
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It seems pretty obvious that you will get vastly different opinions from Doctors who works at an urgent care clinic vs. an urban ER vs. a epidemiologist vs. a chiropractor

It's not like all doctors share the same views on any number of topics.

Just in the last couple of days I've seen doctors in Houston interviewed to comment on the surge in ICU beds usage. One looked at the numbers and said we are facing a major catastrophe. Another said we are well equipped to handle the situation and all will be fine.
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In reply to Ag Natural • 3:18p, 6/26/20
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Ag Natural said:
He thinks he caught it at the gym, Lifetime Fitness. But he's not sure. Symptoms are mild body aches and fever. He said he's had worse allergies and is pissed he has to stay home now. He is 41.

Also, the doctor he saw told him that every case she had seen was mild and her opinion was the crisis is overblown. Granted, she works at a Texas MedClinic and not an ER.
He has a fever and he's pissed he has to stay home? Does he generally run a fever with allergies? Does he generally go out with a fever? I thought it was pretty much accepted that one should stay home when running a fever because that is when you're contagious with whatever illness you have.
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In reply to Russ11 • 3:21p, 6/26/20
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Russ11 said:
But can you blame her with how often all of the experts have been wrong through this?

I have a hard time blaming someone for giving first hand experiences more weight through this.


This is a novel virus that no one knew anything about. Of course things are going to change
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In reply to bigtruckguy3500 • 3:41p, 6/26/20
Her feedback shouldn't be any more or less accepted than the ER docs on here that have only seen the worst-off patients and whose views are equally skewed in the other direction.
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3:46p, 6/26/20
Yeah, but after the "experts" pontificate for hours on end embellishing their opinions and pronouncements on all of their charts and best scientific evidence (including falsified studies and reports) and are either clearly proven wrong or they back track and go a totally different direction, I do believe that it becomes more rational to accept the "anecdotal" information and stories of actual physicians and care providers who are working in the field. IMO.
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7:57p, 6/26/20
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Also, the doctor he saw told him that every case she had seen was mild and her opinion was the crisis is overblown. Granted, she works at a Texas MedClinic and not an ER.
That's how it always is. It's all a matter of point of view. Providers in outpatient clinics and urgent care facilities think it's overblown. Providers in hospitals think it's a horrendous plague.
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