Coronavirus: Was Everyone Wrong?

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Cepe
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Read this article and found it interesting. A lot of jumping to conclusions and making statements with no data to back it up (silent carriers). No idea what this means but I wonder if we look back at this and wonder if we got it all wrong? Will be interesting to see how this is looked upon by history. Not sure I agree with this article but it it is an interesting thought exercise.

https://archive.is/8rLzi#selection-203.0-203.35

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1. A new virus?

At the end of 2019 a coronavirus, which was considered novel, was detected in China. When the gene sequence, i.e. the blueprint of this virus, was identified and was given a similar name to the 2002 identified Sars, i.e. Sars-CoV-2, we should have already asked ourselves then how far [this virus] is related to other coronaviri, which can make human beings sick. But no, instead we discussed from which animal as part of a Chinese menu the virus might have sprung. In the meantime, however, many more people believe the Chinese were so stupid as to release this virus upon themselves in their own country. Now that we're talking about developing a vaccine against the virus, we suddenly see studies which show that this so-called novel virus is very strongly related to Sars-1 as well as other beta-coronaviri which make us suffer every year in the form of a colds.

This is no longer about the genetic relationship, but about how our immune system sees this virus, i.e. which parts of other coronaviri could potentially be used in a vaccine.
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2. The fairy tale of no immunity

From the World Health Organisation (WHO) to every Facebook-virologist, everyone claimed this virus was particularly dangerous, because there was no immunity against it, because it was a novel virus. Even Anthony Fauci, the most important advisor to the Trump administration noted at the beginning at every public appearance that the danger of the virus lay in the fact that there was no immunity against it. Tony and I often sat next to each other at immunology seminars at the National Institute of Health in Bethesda in the US, because we worked in related fields back then. So for a while I was pretty uncritical of his statements, since he was a respectable colleague of mine. The penny dropped only when I realised that the first commercially available antibody test [for Sars-CoV-2] was put together from an old antibody test that was meant to detect Sars-1.

That's when I realised that the entire world simply claimed that there was no immunity, but in reality, nobody had a test ready to prove such a statement. That wasn't science, but pure speculation based on a gut feeling that was then parroted by everyone.
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The next joke that some virologists shared was the claim that those who were sick without symptoms could still spread the virus to other people. The "healthy" sick would have so much of the virus in their throats that a normal conversation between two people would be enough for the "healthy one" to infect the other healthy one. At this point we have to dissect what is happening here: If a virus is growing anywhere in the body, also in the throat, it means that human cells decease. When [human] cells decease, the immune system is alerted immediately and an infection is caused. One of five cardinal symptoms of an infection is pain. It is understandable that those afflicted by Covid-19 might not remember that initial scratchy throat and then go on to claim that they didn't have any symptoms just a few days ago.
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5. The problem with corona immunity

What does this all mean in real life? The extremely long incubation time of two to 14 days and reports of 22 to 27 days should wake up any immunologist. As well as the claim that most patients would no longer secrete the virus after five days. Both [claims] in turn actually lead to the conclusion that there is sort of in the background a base immunity that contorts the events, compared to an expected cycle [of a viral infection] i.e. leads to a long incubation period and quick immunity. This immunity also seems to be the problem for patients with a sever course of the disease. Our antibody titre, i.e. the accuracy of our defence system, is reduced the older we get. But also people with a bad diet or who are malnourished may have a weakened immune system, which is why this virus does not only reveal the medical problems of a country, but also social issues.
culdeus
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What we all needed was another article that asks 20 questions that nobody has the answers to.
Cepe
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culdeus said:

What we all needed was another article that asks 20 questions that nobody has the answers to.
Are you feeling OK? No need to be so angry. . . .It's just an interesting perspective
culdeus
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Cepe said:

culdeus said:

What we all needed was another article that asks 20 questions that nobody has the answers to.
Are you feeling OK? No need to be so angry. . . .It's just an interesting perspective
It isn't really an interesting perspective. It reads like a term paper from college. At best.
agforlife97
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culdeus said:

Cepe said:

culdeus said:

What we all needed was another article that asks 20 questions that nobody has the answers to.
Are you feeling OK? No need to be so angry. . . .It's just an interesting perspective
It isn't really an interesting perspective. It reads like a term paper from college. At best.
I completely disagree.
Leggo My Elko
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If you turned that in as a college term paper, you'd fail.
amercer
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I don't need to read anything to tell you that everyone was wrong. Hindsight Is 2020. Which makes even more sense now that 2020 is shorthand for all ****ed up.
ElephantRider
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How dare the health experts not automatically know everything about a complex novel virus?
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ElephantRider said:

How dare the health experts not automatically know everything about a complex novel virus?
Except its not that "novel", its called SARS Covid-2 for a reason.

The problem is our "leaders" and "experts" using bogus studies and emotions to make decisions instead of logic and data.
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TexjbA&M said:

If you turned that in as a college term paper, you'd fail.
I agree. Dissenting opinion is not welcomed at most universities these days.
2PacShakur
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daggertx said:

ElephantRider said:

How dare the health experts not automatically know everything about a complex novel virus?
Except its not that "novel", its called SARS Covid-2 for a reason.

The problem is our "leaders" and "experts" using bogus studies and emotions to make decisions instead of logic and data.

I guess wolves, coyotes, and dachshunds are all just dogs to you then.
Capitol Ag
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2PacShakur said:

daggertx said:

ElephantRider said:

How dare the health experts not automatically know everything about a complex novel virus?
Except its not that "novel", its called SARS Covid-2 for a reason.

The problem is our "leaders" and "experts" using bogus studies and emotions to make decisions instead of logic and data.

I guess wolves, coyotes, and dachshunds are all just dogs to you then.
Viruses are not canids either. And science really isn't in agreement if they are even "alive" or just RNA strands that replicate. Plants or animals are easier to study. There is a good chance a lot of the "novel" talk is over played and that the idea of asymptomatic carries passing along the virus is at best misunderstood. The article brings what a lot of real questions that need to be addressed as time goes on, as what we need are policies that work. A lot of what has happened is just divisive, political and cannot be measured effectively.
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"The virus is gone for now. It will probably come back in winter, but it won't be a second wave, but just a cold. Those young and healthy people who currently walk around with a mask on their faces would be better off wearing a helmet instead, because the risk of something falling on their head is greater than that of getting a serious case of Covid-19."

We're just going to skip right on by this conclusion and pretend that the rest of this is "thought provoking"?

Yeah, it sure looks "gone" alright. What a fool.

And then this "Bio" ....

"I am a scientist and writer. I aim to be a voice of reason and facts in this distorted world in which opinions are considered truth."

So, it is "fact" that the virus is "gone" for now? Or could that be an opinion that should be considered the truth?

This is just another garbage opinion piece disguised as "Science"
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