[Request for dr. view on clay travis article on antibodies]

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The point about either that if you get the antibodies that it means you are [virtually] immune and how that correlates to how a vaccine works. i.e. if antibodies do not work, then neither will a vaccine?



Yesterday, there were 327 people nationwide who died with the coronavirus.
That's "with" the coronavirus because there is difference between dying with the coronavirus and of the coronavirus.
if you die of Stage Four lung cancer and you have the coronavirus, you are listed as a coronavirus death.
Despite that, you died with it not of it.
Every day in the United States, 7,500 people die. 2.8 million around the nation every year.
Yesterday, 7,200 died of something other than the coronavirus and got almost no attention.
The idea that schools are shutting down is flagrantly and insanely dumb and anyone who is arguing for it is also dumb.
And speaking of dumb, there are a lot of people on social media spreading a falsehood that you don't get immunity after you have the coronavirus.
There are people on social media who are claiming they've had the coronavirus two times, three times, 47 times.
Listen to me carefully: If that is true, which it is not, then no vaccine would work.
The vaccine is predicated on giving people antibodies to the coronavirus so if you are one of those people who are running around with your hair on fire about how you can get the coronavirus multiple times, then waiting for the vaccine doesn't make any sense.
Because the vaccine wouldn't work if you could keep getting the coronavirus even after you've been exposed to it.
Why don't people take the next step and call out these idiots. After all, what is their plan then? If you don't believe you get immunity after the coronavirus, then your only recourse is to never leave your house again because there is no vaccine coming to save you.
Don't listen to these idiots
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In summary -

Social Media is garbage. And I agree with that conclusion.
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It is complex because the immune system is complicated. Traditional vaccine was giving a dead or weakened virus/bacteria and hope the immune system generates an adequate response. This is how flu, IPV, MMR, Varicella, etc work.

Newer vaccines are conjugate vaccines where they tied specific surface antigens to an immune stimulator. This style seems safer over all and quicker and easier to make. This includes vaccines MCV, HPV, PCV.

The Moderna mRNA vaccine is a whole different animal. They are sending the mRNA code to the immune system telling it what antibodies to make. It is highly likely this will yield long term protection but we won't know until the years roll by.

Note I am not a vaccine researcher or producer but I deal with them every day for the last 21 years.
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Do you think this brand new approach could revolutionize how we approach vaccines for things like the flu, etc, to be more effective if it holds to be effective for Covid?
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Player To Be Named Later said:

Do you think this brand new approach could revolutionize how we approach vaccines for things like the flu, etc, to be more effective if it holds to be effective for Covid?
Yes. I think it even has potential for cancer treatments.
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Outstanding. Maybe out of the depths of all this hell, some far reaching medical breakthroughs will come from our medical geniuses.

Seems to always work this way, some of our best discoveries are born out of extreme necessity.
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Clay Travis is a moron when it comes to sports, why would anyone listen to him when it comes to medicine/science?
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ElephantRider said:

Clay Travis is a moron when it comes to sports, why would anyone listen to him when it comes to medicine/science?


Because he tells some people what they want to hear of course
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Clay Travis is a troll, which is pretty much synonymous with "sports reporter". He also has some common sense and is right more than he's wrong.
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So we have a "sports journalist/media personality" using some type of social media platform to lecture the masses on his opinions regarding school startups, vaccine efficacy and idiots on social media.

Typical Merica 2020....I'm right, you're an idiot, trust me I have a law degree.
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JesusQuintana said:

So we have a "sports journalist/media personality" using some type of social media platform to lecture the masses on his opinions regarding school startups, vaccine efficacy and idiots on social media.

Typical Merica 2020....I'm right, you're an idiot, trust me I have a law degree.

Have you been under a rock? SEC football reporters, of all people, have been criticizing the south for opening up and lecturing them from the get go. Everytime cases or deaths rise they use it as a "gotcha" to prove they're right. It's almost as if they don't understand that locking things down and canceling the season would mean they're out of a job. At least clay Travis has enough common sense to argue the opposite, not hoping he kills his career.
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ac04 said:

pandemic expert clay travis




This aged well
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htxag09 said:

JesusQuintana said:

So we have a "sports journalist/media personality" using some type of social media platform to lecture the masses on his opinions regarding school startups, vaccine efficacy and idiots on social media.

Typical Merica 2020....I'm right, you're an idiot, trust me I have a law degree.

Have you been under a rock? SEC football reporters, of all people, have been criticizing the south for opening up and lecturing them from the get go. Everytime cases or deaths rise they use it as a "gotcha" to prove they're right. It's almost as if they don't understand that locking things down and canceling the season would mean they're out of a job. At least clay Travis has enough common sense to argue the opposite, not hoping he kills his career.
I guess I have been as I have paid little attention to sec football reporters lately. I am not saying he's right or wrong, just pointing out the fact that everybody now has an opinion on everything and they are right and everybody else is wrong. Carry on...
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In fairness, at the time we didn't know that China was lying out their butts about the extent of their infection / deaths.

Still don't really trust any data out of China, but at least now we KNOW not to trust that data.

Edit: in response to Clay's March tweet
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ElephantRider said:

ac04 said:

pandemic expert clay travis




This aged well


Yikes, I pray no one won the Darwin Award by following this idiots advice.
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ElephantRider said:

ac04 said:

pandemic expert clay travis




This aged well


To be fair Dr. Fauci believed the same thing.
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Yesterday said:

ElephantRider said:

ac04 said:

pandemic expert clay travis




This aged well


To be fair Dr. Fauci believed the same thing.

Also, isn't this the point of Travis's statement. How are we counting COVID deaths and are the US numbers inflated?

There is a difference between dying because of COVID, and dying with COVID.


*Not a fan of Travis, and he was wrong.
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Immune response is more than just antibodies....wish people would understand this but you won't read that in any news story.

There is also the T-cell response that may be needed in addition to antibody production or may be sufficient with lower antibody production...in results published yesterday the Moderna vaccine DOESN'T induce T-cell response (or is very weak from what/when they measured) as seen in the supplemental data published. Maybe the robust antibody response will be enough, maybe it won't. We simply don't know at this point.

It's a big hurdle this particular vaccine will still have to clear...along with ramp-up production and needing two injections.
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ElephantRider said:

Clay Travis is a moron when it comes to sports, why would anyone listen to him when it comes to medicine/science?
Basically when someone replies with an ad homenim, it gives you a good clue as to who the real moron is. No one has been totally right about this thing, but he's at least not been panicking like most of our elites. Did you see his article about how flu has killed more people in 34 states than covid? Does that one make him a moron too?
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Ranger222 said:

Immune response is more than just antibodies....wish people would understand this but you won't read that in any news story.

There is also the T-cell response that may be needed in addition to antibody production or may be sufficient with lower antibody production...in results published yesterday the Moderna vaccine DOESN'T induce T-cell response (or is very weak from what/when they measured) as seen in the supplemental data published. Maybe the robust antibody response will be enough, maybe it won't. We simply don't know at this point.

It's a big hurdle this particular vaccine will still have to clear...along with ramp-up production and needing two injections.
Clearly a lot of people are immune or partially immune to covid-19 already. The vast majority of people exposed either don't get sick at all or have mild illness. It's obviously not just antibodies, which makes you just laugh out loud at the variations of panic porn that are out there every day.
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docaggie said:

In fairness, at the time we didn't know that China was lying out their butts about the extent of their infection / deaths.

Still don't really trust any data out of China, but at least now we KNOW not to trust that data.

Edit: in response to Clay's March tweet
Yes we did. It was all over the international news sites. Not to mention they locked down 300 million+ people months before he tweeted this. There were satelite images of smoke from morgues (running 24 hrs) and images of their temporary hospitals in January. Only the USA news networks weren't reporting on the evidence from China.
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agforlife97 said:

ElephantRider said:

Clay Travis is a moron when it comes to sports, why would anyone listen to him when it comes to medicine/science?
Basically when someone replies with an ad homenim, it gives you a good clue as to who the real moron is. No one has been totally right about this thing, but he's at least not been panicking like most of our elites. Did you see his article about how flu has killed more people in 34 states than covid? Does that one make him a moron too?


To be fair, I'm judging Clay Travis on more than just this. The guy is a clown
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ElephantRider said:

agforlife97 said:

ElephantRider said:

Clay Travis is a moron when it comes to sports, why would anyone listen to him when it comes to medicine/science?
Basically when someone replies with an ad homenim, it gives you a good clue as to who the real moron is. No one has been totally right about this thing, but he's at least not been panicking like most of our elites. Did you see his article about how flu has killed more people in 34 states than covid? Does that one make him a moron too?


To be fair, I'm judging Clay Travis on more than just this. The guy is a clown
The dude is building a media empire simply by speaking the truth and calling out the rest of the media. Outkick is absolutely crushing it and will lead to him having multiple millions. I'd sign up for being a clown for that.

He was pretty off early on for COVID stuff, but last two months or so he's been spot on.
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ORAggieFan said:

ElephantRider said:

agforlife97 said:

ElephantRider said:

Clay Travis is a moron when it comes to sports, why would anyone listen to him when it comes to medicine/science?
Basically when someone replies with an ad homenim, it gives you a good clue as to who the real moron is. No one has been totally right about this thing, but he's at least not been panicking like most of our elites. Did you see his article about how flu has killed more people in 34 states than covid? Does that one make him a moron too?


To be fair, I'm judging Clay Travis on more than just this. The guy is a clown
The dude is building a media empire simply by speaking the truth and calling out the rest of the media. Outkick is absolutely crushing it and will lead to him having multiple millions. I'd sign up for being a clown for that.

He was pretty off early on for COVID stuff, but last two months or so he's been spot on.
I take his "opinions" FWIW, but when he's quoting actual Drs or studies, then I sit up and listen. Like I do with anyone else. Disregarding what he post is putting your head in the sand.
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ORAggieFan said:

ElephantRider said:

agforlife97 said:

ElephantRider said:

Clay Travis is a moron when it comes to sports, why would anyone listen to him when it comes to medicine/science?
Basically when someone replies with an ad homenim, it gives you a good clue as to who the real moron is. No one has been totally right about this thing, but he's at least not been panicking like most of our elites. Did you see his article about how flu has killed more people in 34 states than covid? Does that one make him a moron too?


To be fair, I'm judging Clay Travis on more than just this. The guy is a clown
The dude is building a media empire simply by speaking the truth and calling out the rest of the media. Outkick is absolutely crushing it and will lead to him having multiple millions. I'd sign up for being a clown for that.

He was pretty off early on for COVID stuff, but last two months or so he's been spot on.


Again, I'm not just talking about Covid stuff. I'm very familiar with Clay Travis. He is a professional troll, and I've thought that for a long time.
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ElephantRider said:

ORAggieFan said:

ElephantRider said:

agforlife97 said:

ElephantRider said:

Clay Travis is a moron when it comes to sports, why would anyone listen to him when it comes to medicine/science?
Basically when someone replies with an ad homenim, it gives you a good clue as to who the real moron is. No one has been totally right about this thing, but he's at least not been panicking like most of our elites. Did you see his article about how flu has killed more people in 34 states than covid? Does that one make him a moron too?


To be fair, I'm judging Clay Travis on more than just this. The guy is a clown
The dude is building a media empire simply by speaking the truth and calling out the rest of the media. Outkick is absolutely crushing it and will lead to him having multiple millions. I'd sign up for being a clown for that.

He was pretty off early on for COVID stuff, but last two months or so he's been spot on.


Again, I'm not just talking about Covid stuff. I'm very familiar with Clay Travis. He is a professional troll, and I've thought that for a long time.

I see that more with guys like Cowherd or Rome. They say things for outrage and nothing more. Things they truly don't believe. Clay on the other hand is consistent and I have no doubt everything he says is what he believes. Much less of a troll.
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ORAggieFan said:

ElephantRider said:

agforlife97 said:

ElephantRider said:

Clay Travis is a moron when it comes to sports, why would anyone listen to him when it comes to medicine/science?
Basically when someone replies with an ad homenim, it gives you a good clue as to who the real moron is. No one has been totally right about this thing, but he's at least not been panicking like most of our elites. Did you see his article about how flu has killed more people in 34 states than covid? Does that one make him a moron too?


To be fair, I'm judging Clay Travis on more than just this. The guy is a clown
The dude is building a media empire simply by speaking the truth and calling out the rest of the media. Outkick is absolutely crushing it and will lead to him having multiple millions. I'd sign up for being a clown for that.

He was pretty off early on for COVID stuff, but last two months or so he's been spot on.

Its perfectly fine if you would dress up like a clown for money, but it's an idiotic response to repeated claims that he is a troll/huckster/moron. Used car salesmen and televangelists make good coin also, but they are also universally considered scumbag scammers. Travis is much closer to televangelist than journalist.
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He's never claimed to be a journalist.
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A month ago he and his Texags fanboys were telling us COVID was basically over
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ORAggieFan said:

He's never claimed to be a journalist.
good thing I didn't say he claimed to be a journalist. He never claimed to be a televangelist either.








He was a real warrior for all the bros when he went on CNN to discuss the first amendment and he turned into Beavis and Butthead and just said "i like boobs, huh huh huh". That's the hero who's got you dressing up like Ronald McDonald for cash.

I happen to like Bill Simmons, others love Howard Stern. Both are sort of similar to what Travis is trying to create/emulate. But you won't find ppl on here defending the opion of Simmons or Stern on medical issues, yet here we have fools comparing Travis to Fauci.
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expresswrittenconsent said:

ORAggieFan said:

He's never claimed to be a journalist.
good thing I didn't say he claimed to be a journalist. He never claimed to be a televangelist either.








He was a real warrior for all the bros when he went on CNN to discuss the first amendment and he turned into Beavis and Butthead and just said "i like boobs, huh huh huh". That's the hero who's got you dressing up like Ronald McDonald for cash.

I happen to like Bill Simmons, others love Howard Stern. Both are sort of similar to what Travis is trying to create/emulate. But you won't find ppl on here defending the opion of Simmons or Stern on medical issues, yet here we have fools comparing Travis to Fauci.


No one is suggesting Clay has any expertise in medical opinions. He for the most part states facts or opinions of experts. In the case of OP it's very valid.
1. People are suggesting the virus mutates so we won't be immune for longer than three months
2. If true, how do we create a vaccine to provide the antibodies when it is mutating.

It's really not a crazy premise that either we will develop herd immunity and a vaccine will be effective or it is ever changing and neither will happen.
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Beware of Doug said:

A month ago he and his Texags fanboys were telling us COVID was basically over
It is. Look at the national statistics. NY was having 800 deaths per day at their peak. For all the insane talk about Texas, we've barely hit 100 deaths on a handful of days. We're protecting our elderly much better than NY is one major reason (which is also incidentally one reason our hospitals are pretty full). In all likelihood, NY had almost 5 million cases in March-April. Texas, AZ and FL are nowhere near that with a much larger population. It's a serious problem, but it's been blown way out of proportion by social and traditional media, to the point where a huge percentage of people are panicked and acting irrationally.
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Certainly not the forum for this, but Clay Travis used to have sportsbooks put up prop bets (eg. "Who Will Be The Next Arkansas Coach?") with low limits and terrible odds, then pen a "news" article about said sportsbook releasing odds on who will be the next Arkansas coach, complete with affiliate link.

The guy is a shill. A very successful shill, but a shill. He knows who his base is and modifies his "insight" to preach to it.

If you like him because he's successful at building a media empire, great. If you like him because he's entertaining, to each his own.

But if you think he's giving his true opinion on something and not just something for the echo chamber to drive clicks, you're a fool.
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so....anyone (who is qualified) care to go point by point in the OP's posted article and call out non-facts that are presented as facts?

I think a silent majority of people see that and think that, at worse, its a needed counter to most of the covid "news" and data as presented by CNN, the DMN/chronicle/statesman, etc

aka - even if Clay is talking out of his a**, biased in favor of the "covid isn't a big deal" camp, and presenting opinions as facts.......he's no worse than TIED with the "real" media's presentation in terms of honest unbiased/agenda free covid news.....they're just at opposite ends of the spectrum

if the OP's article is even worse than that though, lets hear it
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