Where do I sign up to get re-exposed to COVID?

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From webMD and all over internet:

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Other types of coronaviruses appear to cause some immunity. Studies show that people are protected against the coronaviruses that cause the common cold for up to a year after an infection. And our bodies have antibodies against the SARS coronavirus for up to 4 years.

Most people who've recovered from COVID-19 do make antibodies against the virus. But so far, there's no evidence that this will protect them against the virus if they're exposed to it again.


I cleared COVID last month and have the antibodies. Where the hell is the waiver to sign away my life and see if I can get re-infected when re-exposed??!! Hell I'll do it for free and I'm sure 999 others would too. I'll keep going back to see how long immunity lasts. Pay survivors $1000+ and you will get thousands of subjects.

This is complete BS. How have we not gathered evidence on re-infection ?

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Can any doctor expert explain why we are not re-exposing willing antibody patients to the virus again?

Fauci already said that "there is certainly COVID immunity lasting at least 3 years".
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9:13a, 7/24/20
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What part of 2 weeks do you not understand?
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In reply to Milwaukees Best Light • 9:49a, 7/24/20
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Milwaukees Best Light said:
What part of 2 weeks do you not understand?


Not sure what this means? I understand they ask you to quarantine for 2 weeks...

To be clear, I think it's a joke for people to make masks a political thing, they clearly limit (to some debatable degree) the airborne spread.

But why can't the same level of attention be paid to antibodies and their effectiveness at preventing spread?

This is what is so frustrating. There is no common sense, even among "medical experts" (it seems). We proved natural immunity in chimps, but have done almost nothing with answering this question in humans. It's been almost 6mo of hysteria and the only explanation for no info on natural immunity is it's politcal.

Fauci said he was "certain covid immunity would last3 years". Why wasn't this news 3 mo ago? Has that been disproven?

7:50 mark
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I'm sure there are some medical facilities, PDs, schools, or FDs that could use some volunteers in higher risk locations/positions.

Instead of asking us on TexAgs, how about you go ask around, make some phone calls, etc to find out where you can go help.
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In reply to Player To Be Named Later • 10:14a, 7/24/20
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Player To Be Named Later said:
I'm sure there are some medical facilities, PDs, schools, or FDs that could use some volunteers in higher risk locations/positions.

Instead of asking us on TexAgs, how about you go ask around, make some phone calls, etc to find out where you can go help.
Because he prefers to venture out of F16 and get in a jab that this entire thing is a "nothing burger" - he know this offer is hollow as he boasts saying he'll sign a waiver. If he were serious he'd ask to have a Covid injection or an inhaler with the live virus.
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10:20a, 7/24/20
Going to bet that in time, we find out that antibody production and duration is a highly individualistic thing. The disease itself seems to randomly affect people in all sorts of waysparticular symptoms, lack of symptoms, mild...or fatal. Maybe everyone's immune system reacts differently as well. Time will tell.
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In reply to thirdcoast • 10:39a, 7/24/20
NM. I saw your other post
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10:52a, 7/24/20
... because intentionally infecting humans with a disease that has some chance, even if small, of spiraling out of control and causing severe illness or death is medically unethical?

Just a guess.
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In reply to John Francis Donaghy • 10:59a, 7/24/20
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John Francis Donaghy said:
... because intentionally infecting humans with a disease that has some chance, even if small, of spiraling out of control and causing severe illness or death is medically unethical?

Just a guess.
This is probably post # 1,321,378 that has the physicians on this board clawing their eyes out

Edit to add, not your post, but rather the OP's
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In reply to John Francis Donaghy • 11:00a, 7/24/20
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John Francis Donaghy said:
... because intentionally infecting humans with a disease that has some chance, even if small, of spiraling out of control and causing severe illness or death is medically unethical?

Just a guess.
Ha, notice he said he'd sign a waiver for his own health but he didn't offer to isolate/quarantine, wear a mask (am sure he won't), etc. to insure he doesn't infect others.
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The lay person does not understand how scientists talk or how science works, which is causing a lot of the problems with the messaging on this virus. People can't seem to differentiate what is an opinion, an informed hypothesis, a pre-print research study, a meta analysis, and a peer-reviewed and reproduced research study. It's frankly disappointing that college educated people with degrees from A&M can't seem to make the distinction.

The result is that people end up relying on media pundits and politicians to tell them what to think, both groups having their own ulterior motives which do not align with giving you the truth, therefore sharing with you partial and biased information.Critical thinking has gone out of the window way too often and in it's place is confirmation bias and the Dunning-Kruger effect on steroids.
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In reply to HotardAg07 • 11:06a, 7/24/20
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HotardAg07 said:

The result is that people end up relying on media pundits and politicians to tell them what to think, both groups having their own ulterior motives which do not align with giving you the truth, therefore sharing with you partial and biased information.Critical thinking has gone out of the window way too often and in it's place is confirmation bias and the Dunning-Kruger effect on steroids.
This..... so much this.
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... because intentionally infecting humans with a disease that has some chance, even if small, of spiraling out of control and causing severe illness or death is medically unethical?

Just a guess.
I don't think this has to be the case. There is a pretty broad discussion at them moment regarding challenge trials. The infection or re-infection is closely managed.

https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2020/06/covid-vaccine-challenge-trials.html

There is a fascinating PBS show on the early 20th Century challenge trials which were eventually curtailed. I will try to find a link to it.
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11:55a, 7/24/20
Where is the evidence of getting reinfected after you have had the virus? Is there any, and if so, is it a common problem?
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In reply to thirdcoast • 11:00p, 7/24/20
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thirdcoast said:
From webMD and all over internet:

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Other types of coronaviruses appear to cause some immunity. Studies show that people are protected against the coronaviruses that cause the common cold for up to a year after an infection. And our bodies have antibodies against the SARS coronavirus for up to 4 years.

Most people who've recovered from COVID-19 do make antibodies against the virus. But so far, there's no evidence that this will protect them against the virus if they're exposed to it again.


I cleared COVID last month and have the antibodies. Where the hell is the waiver to sign away my life and see if I can get re-infected when re-exposed??!! Hell I'll do it for free and I'm sure 999 others would too. I'll keep going back to see how long immunity lasts. Pay survivors $1000+ and you will get thousands of subjects.

This is complete BS. How have we not gathered evidence on re-infection ?

[Let's leave this stuff we removed for the appropriate forum--Staff]

Can any doctor expert explain why we are not re-exposing willing antibody patients to the virus again?

Fauci already said that "there is certainly COVID immunity lasting at least 3 years".
Where are you located? I'm in Houston and have a neighbor who has a bad case. He will spit in your mouth for a nominal fee
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In reply to Old RV Ag • 2:04a, 7/25/20
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Old RV Ag said:
Player To Be Named Later said:
I'm sure there are some medical facilities, PDs, schools, or FDs that could use some volunteers in higher risk locations/positions.

Instead of asking us on TexAgs, how about you go ask around, make some phone calls, etc to find out where you can go help.
Because he prefers to venture out of F16 and get in a jab that this entire thing is a "nothing burger" - he know this offer is hollow as he boasts saying he'll sign a waiver. If he were serious he'd ask to have a Covid injection or an inhaler with the live virus.


First off, asking texags is "asking around" and should be way more effective on a COVID board than asking random people or checking "the fight is in us" website.

I have called 3 sperate blood banks in Houston. I have told them I am willing to be tested in a trial/experiments and they won't even take my antibodies. I'm on a list to be called back.

Post a number or business to call. PM me. I think the thread title is pretty clear. I have literally been on hold, or been redirected for about an hour over about 4 phones since Tue. On the other end I'm dealing with admin type call centers who don't care.

That's why I'm here. Is there an MD who knows who is doing a study on antibody resistance? I would like to be a part of a study to show how statistically effective antibodies are in humans.

If there are no such studies or if there is an effort to prevent that stat, then fine. I get it. It's an election year.
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In reply to John Francis Donaghy • 2:15a, 7/25/20
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John Francis Donaghy said:
... because intentionally infecting humans with a disease that has some chance, even if small, of spiraling out of control and causing severe illness or death is medically unethical?

Just a guess.


That is a guess. Ever heard of the "right to try act"?

Considering all the data out there, I would gladly get re-infected knowing i have antibodies. I went thru it already without antibodies and it wasn't bad enough not to know if Im immune or not.

We aren't talking about donating bone marrow or an organ, it's getting re-exposed to a corona virus I already had. "The right to try" unproven medicines is way more risky and it is happening legally. Why can't re-exposure happen?

I'll wait for a scientific or legal answer or PM on how to enroll in a study.

Thanks all
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In reply to FlyRod • 2:17a, 7/25/20
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FlyRod said:
Going to bet that in time, we find out that antibody production and duration is a highly individualistic thing. The disease itself seems to randomly affect people in all sorts of waysparticular symptoms, lack of symptoms, mild...or fatal. Maybe everyone's immune system reacts differently as well. Time will tell.


This virus has been front and center for about 6 months. What is the rate of re-infection? How many people have gotten COVID twice? Surely there is a link or stat?
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In reply to HotardAg07 • 2:26a, 7/25/20
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HotardAg07 said:
The lay person does not understand how scientists talk or how science works, which is causing a lot of the problems with the messaging on this virus. People can't seem to differentiate what is an opinion, an informed hypothesis, a pre-print research study, a meta analysis, and a peer-reviewed and reproduced research study. It's frankly disappointing that college educated people with degrees from A&M can't seem to make the distinction.

The result is that people end up relying on media pundits and politicians to tell them what to think, both groups having their own ulterior motives which do not align with giving you the truth, therefore sharing with you partial and biased information.Critical thinking has gone out of the window way too often and in it's place is confirmation bias and the Dunning-Kruger effect on steroids.


Did you watch the 7:50 mark in the Fauci video above?

The world's leading infectious disease expert said that there would be durable COVID immunity for "certainly at least 3 years".

Ok maybe that was an opinion, fine. But where are the stats and studies or other opinions since Fauci said that 3 mo ago?

Below is the non-human primate study from months ago...where is the human primate study? Does one exist? Why not?


https://www.drugtargetreview.com/news/61692/protective-immunity-to-sars-cov-2-shown-in-non-human-primates/

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colleagues infected nine adult rhesus macaques with SARS-CoV-2, 35 days after they cleared the infection the macaques were exposed to SARS-CoV-2 again. According to the study published in Science, all the animals showed little to no symptoms after re-challenge and exhibited immune responses that protected against the second infection.
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Seems like healthcare workers would be the appropriate guinea pigs here. Many have already been sick and most of those people have the opportunity to be around sick people on a frequent basis. Anecdotally, I have not heard any stories about doctors or nurses being reinfected despite being exposed more frequently than the average Joe on the street. I think if the risk for reinfection was significant we likely would be hearing a lot more stories about reinfections.

That being said, seems like there are always outliers and immunity is a tricky thing.
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In reply to Not a Bot • 9:11a, 7/25/20
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Umm, no thanks. I'd like to see my son again at some point.
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In reply to thirdcoast • 10:08a, 7/25/20
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thirdcoast said:
Old RV Ag said:
Player To Be Named Later said:
I'm sure there are some medical facilities, PDs, schools, or FDs that could use some volunteers in higher risk locations/positions.

Instead of asking us on TexAgs, how about you go ask around, make some phone calls, etc to find out where you can go help.
Because he prefers to venture out of F16 and get in a jab that this entire thing is a "nothing burger" - he know this offer is hollow as he boasts saying he'll sign a waiver. If he were serious he'd ask to have a Covid injection or an inhaler with the live virus.


First off, asking texags is "asking around" and should be way more effective on a COVID board than asking random people or checking "the fight is in us" website.

I have called 3 sperate blood banks in Houston. I have told them I am willing to be tested in a trial/experiments and they won't even take my antibodies. I'm on a list to be called back.

Post a number or business to call. PM me. I think the thread title is pretty clear. I have literally been on hold, or been redirected for about an hour over about 4 phones since Tue. On the other end I'm dealing with admin type call centers who don't care.

That's why I'm here. Is there an MD who knows who is doing a study on antibody resistance? I would like to be a part of a study to show how statistically effective antibodies are in humans.

If there are no such studies or if there is an effort to prevent that stat, then fine. I get it. It's an election year.
Why are you so angry? Is this new (like a Covid after effect)? You do realize they would have to have a controlled study going and no one is going to do a one off study with someone who may not isolate, wear a mask, etc. to protect others.

SEE I CAN SHOUT ALSO.

p.s. staff had to remove your political commentS so don't claim you didn't start this out with a political slant. And you finished with the greatest one above. ".....I get it. It's an election year." Geez.
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Umm, no thanks. I'd like to see my son again at some point.


To clarify, what I meant was study the healthcare workers who already had the virus and recovered (who are still exposed to Covid on a regular basis) to get an accurate picture of relapse potential. They would keep using the necessary PPE. No increased risk for anyone other than what's already going on at work anyway.
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Moxley said:
Seems like healthcare workers would be the appropriate guinea pigs here. Many have already been sick and most of those people have the opportunity to be around sick people on a frequent basis. Anecdotally, I have not heard any stories about doctors or nurses being reinfected despite being exposed more frequently than the average Joe on the street. I think if the risk for reinfection was significant we likely would be hearing a lot more stories about reinfections.

That being said, seems like there are always outliers and immunity is a tricky thing.


Exactly. IF there was a confirmed re-infection CNN and MSNBC would be throwing cash at those folks to go on prime time or CNN would at least report on it for couple weeks straight.
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Old RV Ag said:
thirdcoast said:
Old RV Ag said:
Player To Be Named Later said:
I'm sure there are some medical facilities, PDs, schools, or FDs that could use some volunteers in higher risk locations/positions.

Instead of asking us on TexAgs, how about you go ask around, make some phone calls, etc to find out where you can go help.
Because he prefers to venture out of F16 and get in a jab that this entire thing is a "nothing burger" - he know this offer is hollow as he boasts saying he'll sign a waiver. If he were serious he'd ask to have a Covid injection or an inhaler with the live virus.


First off, asking texags is "asking around" and should be way more effective on a COVID board than asking random people or checking "the fight is in us" website.

I have called 3 sperate blood banks in Houston. I have told them I am willing to be tested in a trial/experiments and they won't even take my antibodies. I'm on a list to be called back.

Post a number or business to call. PM me. I think the thread title is pretty clear. I have literally been on hold, or been redirected for about an hour over about 4 phones since Tue. On the other end I'm dealing with admin type call centers who don't care.

That's why I'm here. Is there an MD who knows who is doing a study on antibody resistance? I would like to be a part of a study to show how statistically effective antibodies are in humans.

If there are no such studies or if there is an effort to prevent that stat, then fine. I get it. It's an election year.
Why are you so angry? Is this new (like a Covid after effect)? You do realize they would have to have a controlled study going and no one is going to do a one off study with someone who may not isolate, wear a mask, etc. to protect others.

SEE I CAN SHOUT ALSO.

p.s. staff had to remove your political commentS so don't claim you didn't start this out with a political slant. And you finished with the greatest one above. ".....I get it. It's an election year." Geez.


I wasn't angry, was frustrated with lack of info out there after 6mo of a virus that has cost many trillions. There should be controlled re-infection studies on humans completed, in process, or being planned. If there are legal issues, see the "right to try" act as model for cutting out red tape and gov approvals for volunteers willing to take liability. We will send out 100s of billions in taxpayer checks to unemployed, but can't carve out anything for a study to really understand risk of re-infection?

In terms of it being "an election year", It's not a matter of being left or right, it's a matter of objectively looking at reality. It's rampant on both sides and rooted in the media reporting.

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