Evolutionary Origins of SARS-CoV-2

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Ranger222
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New from Nature Microbiology:


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There are outstanding evolutionary questions on the recent emergence of human coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 including the role of reservoir species, the role of recombination and its time of divergence from animal viruses. We find that the sarbecovirusesthe viral subgenus containing SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2undergo frequent recombination and exhibit spatially structured genetic diversity on a regional scale in China. SARS-CoV-2 itself is not a recombinant of any sarbecoviruses detected to date, and its receptor-binding motif, important for specificity to human ACE2 receptors, appears to be an ancestral trait shared with bat viruses and not one acquired recently via recombination. To employ phylogenetic dating methods, recombinant regions of a 68-genome sarbecovirus alignment were removed with three independent methods. Bayesian evolutionary rate and divergence date estimates were shown to be consistent for these three approaches and for two different prior specifications of evolutionary rates based on HCoV-OC43 and MERS-CoV. Divergence dates between SARS-CoV-2 and the bat sarbecovirus reservoir were estimated as 1948 (95% highest posterior density (HPD): 18791999), 1969 (95% HPD: 19302000) and 1982 (95% HPD: 19482009), indicating that the lineage giving rise to SARS-CoV-2 has been circulating unnoticed in bats for decades.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-0771-4

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Given what was known about the origins of SARS, as well as identification of SARS-like viruses circulating in bats that had binding sites adapted to human receptors29,30,31, appropriate measures should have been in place for immediate control of outbreaks of novel coronaviruses. The key to successful surveillance is knowing which viruses to look for and prioritizing those that can readily infect humans47.

This long divergence period suggests there are unsampled virus lineages circulating in horseshoe bats that have zoonotic potential due to the ancestral position of the human-adapted contact residues in the SARS-CoV-2 RBD. Without better sampling, however, it is impossible to estimate whether or how many of these additional lineages exist.

It is clear from our analysis that viruses closely related to SARS-CoV-2 have been circulating in horseshoe bats for many decades. The unsampled diversity descended from the SARS-CoV-2/RaTG13 common ancestor forms a clade of bat sarbecoviruses with generalist propertieswith respect to their ability to infect a range of mammalian cellsthat facilitated its jump to humans and may do so again.

This paper details the following :

1) the natural (not man-made) source of SARS-CoV-2 is bats, as expected and the virus has been around for a while
2) we failed to find it with our limited surveillance program
3) there could be other SARS-CoV-2-like viruses out there in specific regions of China, waiting to make the jump to other mammalian hosts or humans that could cause the next pandemic

In April, our brilliant government decided to cut NIH funding to a US non-profit aimed at doing just this type of surveillance work because they collaborated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, based on unfounded conspiracy theories that the virus was either man-made or leaked from the lab.

That decision was wrong, not based on facts, and the paper above highlights how critical this type of surveillance work is so we can detect the next pandemic before it arrives. If there is one thing to learn from this mess, its that we are not funding and doing enough preventative field work to find these novel pathogens before they reach humans. We need to support this type of work, restore funding and get people out in the field TODAY.
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aggiemike02
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useful input. thanks!
KlinkerAg11
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This is something that I tend to be a little conspiratorial about.

Gain of function research could explain how this virus happened.
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We've known the risk for awhile. Here's a snippet from a 2007 study.

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The presence of a large reservoir of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, together with the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, is a time bomb. The possibility of the reemergence of SARS and other novel viruses from animals or laboratories and therefore the need for preparedness should not be ignored.
Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus as an Agent of Emerging and Reemerging Infection - Pg. 683

Pecos Ag
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Why are we our own worst enemy so much of the time?
"This is how you play football!"
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I thought I read that the species of horseshoe bats that they traced this virus to had no colonies within hundreds of kilometers of Wuhan but it was reported the Wuhan Virology lab was testing on them.

Regardless, just because this came from a bat doesn't mean either

a) the virus got out because someone was accidentally infected while testing and left the lab, or
b) tested animals were sold to the Wuhan wet market, consumed, and then infected the human

I don't think anyone ever purported this didn't come from bats, rather it was the means on how it crossed over to humans and the Wuhan Virology lab being at the epicenter is quite suspect.

I just don't see how your evidence supports your conclusions. Maybe there is more in the article I missed. Still plenty of plausible scenarios though that could explain the jump from bat to humans that isn't a natural incident.

All that being said, wet markets should be banned EVERYWHERE in the world and the consumption of bats, pandolins, and any other exotic creatures where we've seen these jumps need to be outlawed as well.
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https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741
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It is already established that none of the viral sequences housed at the Wuhan Institute and specially Shi Zhengli's lab are SARS-CoV-2.

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Back in Wuhan, where the lockdown was finally lifted on April 8, China's bat woman is not in a celebratory mood. She is distressed because stories from the Internet and major media have repeated a tenuous suggestion that SARS-CoV-2 accidentally leaked from her labdespite the fact that its genetic sequence does not match any her lab had previously studied. Other scientists are quick to dismiss the allegation. "Shi leads a world-class lab of the highest standards," Daszak says.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/


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Shi stressed that over the past 15 years, her lab has isolated and grown in culture only three bat coronaviruses related to one that infected humans: the agent that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), which erupted in 2003. The more than 2000 other bat coronaviruses the lab has detected, including one that is 96.2% identical to SARS-CoV-2which means they shared a common ancestor decades agoare simply genetic sequences that her team has extracted from fecal samples and oral and anal swabs of the animals. She also noted that all of the staff and students in her lab were recently tested for SARS-CoV-2 and everyone was negative, challenging the notion that an infected person in her group triggered the pandemic.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/trump-owes-us-apology-chinese-scientist-center-covid-19-origin-theories-speaks-out

Finally, the "intelligence" which led to Secretary of State Pompeo as well as several other congressmen to conclude that it was likely the virus originated from this lab contains no substance whatsoever, other than maybe technicians were not as trained as they should have been, yet WIV has collaborations with the BSL-4 lab at UTMB in Galveston to help train technicians over time.

In fact, the end of the intelligence document comes to the same conclusion as the above research manuscript:

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From a public health prospective, this makes continued surveillance of SARS-like coronaviruses in bats and study of animal-human interface critical to future emerging coronavirus outbreak prediction and prevention.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zoJTa9-sNvFWZM8xVLwzFHipo1Fl99UN/view
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Yes we know it came from bats. Yes we need to study these types of virus. Yes it was unleashed because of gross incompetence of the Chinese researchers at that lab. No you should never believe anything anyone under control of the Chinese govt ever says. That about covers it.
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MasterAggie said:

Yes we know it came from bats. Yes we need to study these types of virus. Yes it was unleashed because of gross incompetence of the Chinese researchers at that lab. No you should never believe anything anyone under control of the Chinese govt ever says. That about covers it.

Please find and post evidence supporting this statement.

You stated as if it were fact.
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Interesting article.

In terms of the lab, keep in mind the CCP controls the media and one of their highest priorities is avoiding embarrassment. For example, there have been official communications from government leaders in China denying that pollution exists in their country. Nothing that comes out of that country, including academic research, can truly be trusted.
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Find it yourself. It is fact.
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Find it yourself. It is fact

It's speculation at best. Definitely not fact.
Ag In Ok
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While i appreciate your assertion that the origin isn't man made, i wouldn't agree that the report is as definitive.
Two things that i can not overcome in my mind:
1) regarding the accuracy of the statement by staff at the institute - how accurate can it be if there are no more reported cases in China while mass lockdowns continue? I don't trust anything coming out of China. And the timeline doesn't quite match up. Had China discovered that it was indeed from the wet market, eating bats would be greatly restricted if not eliminated. However they reopened this market (and others like it) quite a while ago with no change in policy. Doesn't make sense if they truly believed it was natural.
2) the sudden and quite dramatic shift in policy to China isn't about trade, OBOR, or Honk Kong in my estimation. The only event that i can see driving such a broad response is proof of culpability. Unless Xi is about to be overthrown and we know it.
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Ag In Ok said:

The only event that i can see driving such a broad response is proof of culpability. Unless Xi is about to be overthrown and we know it.


This.
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So the surveillance program, which funneled money to the Chinese government, didn't prevent this pandemic. Therefore, we should continue funneling money to China why? Oh, for surveillance that won't prevent the next pandemic either. Got it!
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Ranger222 said:

New from Nature Microbiology:


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There are outstanding evolutionary questions on the recent emergence of human coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 including the role of reservoir species, the role of recombination and its time of divergence from animal viruses. We find that the sarbecovirusesthe viral subgenus containing SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2undergo frequent recombination and exhibit spatially structured genetic diversity on a regional scale in China. SARS-CoV-2 itself is not a recombinant of any sarbecoviruses detected to date, and its receptor-binding motif, important for specificity to human ACE2 receptors, appears to be an ancestral trait shared with bat viruses and not one acquired recently via recombination. To employ phylogenetic dating methods, recombinant regions of a 68-genome sarbecovirus alignment were removed with three independent methods. Bayesian evolutionary rate and divergence date estimates were shown to be consistent for these three approaches and for two different prior specifications of evolutionary rates based on HCoV-OC43 and MERS-CoV. Divergence dates between SARS-CoV-2 and the bat sarbecovirus reservoir were estimated as 1948 (95% highest posterior density (HPD): 18791999), 1969 (95% HPD: 19302000) and 1982 (95% HPD: 19482009), indicating that the lineage giving rise to SARS-CoV-2 has been circulating unnoticed in bats for decades.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-0771-4

Taken from the discussion:

Quote:

Given what was known about the origins of SARS, as well as identification of SARS-like viruses circulating in bats that had binding sites adapted to human receptors29,30,31, appropriate measures should have been in place for immediate control of outbreaks of novel coronaviruses. The key to successful surveillance is knowing which viruses to look for and prioritizing those that can readily infect humans47.

This long divergence period suggests there are unsampled virus lineages circulating in horseshoe bats that have zoonotic potential due to the ancestral position of the human-adapted contact residues in the SARS-CoV-2 RBD. Without better sampling, however, it is impossible to estimate whether or how many of these additional lineages exist.

It is clear from our analysis that viruses closely related to SARS-CoV-2 have been circulating in horseshoe bats for many decades. The unsampled diversity descended from the SARS-CoV-2/RaTG13 common ancestor forms a clade of bat sarbecoviruses with generalist propertieswith respect to their ability to infect a range of mammalian cellsthat facilitated its jump to humans and may do so again.

This paper details the following :

1) the natural (not man-made) source of SARS-CoV-2 is bats, as expected and the virus has been around for a while
2) we failed to find it with our limited surveillance program
3) there could be other SARS-CoV-2-like viruses out there in specific regions of China, waiting to make the jump to other mammalian hosts or humans that could cause the next pandemic

In April, our brilliant government decided to cut NIH funding to a US non-profit aimed at doing just this type of surveillance work because they collaborated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, based on unfounded conspiracy theories that the virus was either man-made or leaked from the lab.

That decision was wrong, not based on facts, and the paper above highlights how critical this type of surveillance work is so we can detect the next pandemic before it arrives. If there is one thing to learn from this mess, its that we are not funding and doing enough preventative field work to find these novel pathogens before they reach humans. We need to support this type of work, restore funding and get people out in the field TODAY.
I am not arguing it was made in the lab or even leaked in the lab. I'm just pointing out the limits of what you can conclude from the data, Finding a starting point in bats ~50 years ago doesn't mean it wasn't leaked from the Wuhan lab. It also doesn't mean it wasn't modified in the Wuhan lab, although any lab modifications would need to be small and not large scale recombination with other CoVs.


Yes, we (the world) need surveillance. Oddly, China is there and China has a virus lab capable of doing this work. Is China not capable of being a good world citizen and doing their own surveillance of viruses in the bat population in China. If we were talking about some place in the middle of Africa needing help because they don't have the resources, expertise, or facilities, yes the developed world should step up and help. I would suggest the WHO should be leading that kind of effort. Kinda confused why an NIH funded US based non-profit should be leading the charge here.
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