Another family tragedy

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Man thought Covid was a hoax, convinced his family to have a get together.
All 14 caught it, one dead, one on life support.

https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/14-members-of-texas-family-test-positive-for-covid-19-after-virus-deniers-party/
Fenrir
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Am I reading that wrong or did everyone start feeling symptoms within 24 to 48 hours after exposure? Doesn't that seem quick from what we know now?
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Fenrir said:

Am I reading that wrong or did everyone start feeling symptoms within 24 to 48 hours after exposure? Doesn't that seem quick from what we know now?


I think the host felt sick within 24 hours of the party, the partner & parents felt sick 72 hours after the party (the article worded it weird). It's on the early side, but not out of the realm. 4-5 days from exposure is when most people see symptoms.
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Dislike these types of article. It is a local (Dallas) article, about a national news article, about a local news 1st person article in the Dallas Voice.

The direct story.
https://dallasvoice.com/a-harsh-lesson-in-the-reality-of-covid-19/#comments

Of note, the author of the article is a conservative lobbyist that wrote a book last year that had this acknowledgement on Amazon.
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A special thanks to Texas Governor, Greg Abbott and President Donald Trump bothfor recognizing my efforts at solving the many problems within our current criminal justice system.America has a lot to be proud of and grateful for.
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Bah

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You cannot imagine the guilt I feel, knowing that I hosted the gathering that led to so much suffering. You cannot imagine my guilt at having been a denier, carelessly shuffling through this pandemic, making fun of those wearing masks and social distancing. You cannot imagine my guilt at knowing that my actions convinced both our families it was safe when it wasn't.
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Virus is real, the fear is hyped
Duncan Idaho
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You shouldn't have to fear the virus, but the problem is that too large of a group doesn't respect the virus (e.g. the flumers, certain members of the national leadership).

If everyone respected the virus, there wouldn't be anything to fear.

The TC Jester
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Duncan Idaho said:

You shouldn't have to fear the virus, but the problem is that too large of a group doesn't respect the virus (e.g. the flumers, certain members of the national leadership).

If everyone respected the virus, there wouldn't be anything to fear.




Meh, me and the wife had it and so did 6-7 of our friends...all approaching 40. It wasn't nearly as bad as the flu...and bordered on asymptomatic for most of us. If I was morbidly obese with purple fluid logged ankles I'd respect the virus. But it's hard to take seriously when (a) I don't know anyone who knows anyone who has died from it, (b) me and everyone I know had such an easy time with it.

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The TC Jester said:

Duncan Idaho said:

You shouldn't have to fear the virus, but the problem is that too large of a group doesn't respect the virus (e.g. the flumers, certain members of the national leadership).

If everyone respected the virus, there wouldn't be anything to fear.




Meh, me and the wife had it and so did 6-7 of our friends...all approaching 40. It wasn't nearly as bad as the flu...and bordered on asymptomatic for most of us. If I was morbidly obese with purple fluid logged ankles I'd respect the virus. But it's hard to take seriously when (a) I don't know anyone who knows anyone who has died from it, (b) me and everyone I know had such an easy time with it,

This is clearly worse than the flu. I believe Marcus had the best comparison in terms of deaths from both on another thread. Dude literally deals with this day to day in comparison to virtually every other malady that he has seen day to day for years...When someone that does this for a living says, "this is worse than the flu" then maybe it is.....That doesn't make it the Black Death but it sure isn't a casual run of the flu.

I think at the same time there is irrational fear surrounding the very fact you bring up in the 6-10 people you know that didn't really all that sick. The majority of people have minor to no symptoms at all, but a significant minority have serious to life threatening issues. Its the uncertainty of if it gets serious you run a good chance of being in a vent like situation with a pretty ****ty prognosis utilizing treatments that are being developed in real time.

You also don't have to have purple fluid logged ankles to fall into the obese category, there have been several threads on just how many people fall into that category. Hell I'm Obese and my non purple fluid logged ass went on my daily 5 mile walk. That said, I'm getting less obese by the week and Covid was the thing that kicked it into gear and I know I'm not alone there.

I now know several people that have had it, including a co-worker who was at a large training that I also attended in late January in NYC. He caught it during said training (think 200 people spending 8-10 hours a day in a hotel ball room or restuarant for 5 days) or during an excursion into the city to grab drinks and dinner on the last night that I attended.

This gentleman runs marathons and last year completed a signicant part of the Pacific Cost trail (think I have the name right). Did he have to go to the hospital? No, but he just started running again in May. It kicked his ass and I'm shocked I didn't get it. I'm going to go donate blood and get tested for antibodies I think.

Another person, here in Austin (another marathoner) had a similar recovery path. She said it was like breathing through a straw for 8 weeks or so.

Lastly why does it always have to fall to some doctors didn't condem the protests and those are the only things that could have spiked this thing? Why can't it be both? Surely the protests accelerated this thing but surely so did huge gatherings of people who weren't protesting be it BBQs, parties or generally early summer living?
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This has a strong hoax feel to it. He is refunding everyone who contributed to the GoFundMe. He claims to be a conservative Trump voter but his description of himself mirrors how leftists describe Trump supporters.

Edit: After doing some research on this author, I'm nearly 100% convinced this is fake. His self published book that has zero reviews anywhere has an endorsement from Donald Trump and Greg Abbott? There is something off about his writing style that screams hoax. Not to mention refunding the GoFundMe.
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This quote right here made it so obvious it was fake.

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You cannot imagine the guilt I feel, knowing that I hosted the gathering that led to so much suffering. You cannot imagine my guilt at having been a denier, carelessly shuffling through this pandemic, making fun of those wearing masks and social distancing. You cannot imagine my guilt at knowing that my actions convinced both our families it was safe when it wasn't.
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Party on the 13, he gets sick on the 14. Ok, he was likely contagious at the party.
Partner gets sick on the 15. Sure, they live together, so good change they were both exposed at the same time or that he was contagious a day or two before the party.
Parents get sick on the 15. That is 2 days after party. That is really fast for symptoms to develop. And in 2 people?
In-laws travel on the 15 and that night FIL gets sick. 2 days again, that is 3 people who developed symptoms within 2 days of exposure.
Then MIL and SIL get sick (not exactly descriptive of the timing on that).
2 days later (17?) FILs mother get sick (from exposure on the 15?).

That is a whole of people getting sick within 2 days of exposure for a virus that typical takes 4-7 days for symptoms to develop. In fact, it would seem just about everyone in the family got sick within 48 hrs of exposure. A rare instance of early symptoms is understandable, but nearly everyone?
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The next time you're put out because your favorite spots are closed or because they won't let you enter without wearing a mask, and you decide to defy them rather than comply because you're defending your rights and freedoms from being trampled, just remember: Your family and friends may be next.
To me, he is missing the point. Of course our family or friends could be next. But that isn't, to me at least, a reason not to question policy and the potential need for or scope of procedures in place. Questioning is NEVER an bad thing. What he did not do originally was question his own beliefs (if he indeed is telling the truth here-again, it's ok to always question). One must remember that freedom itself has a price. War is fought under that understanding. So are decisions in terms of whether to drive and accept the risks of the highway or to eat sushi. I don't fault the guy for having an event. But if the purpose was to show the disease as a hoax, than why? If the point was to get together to just enjoy each others company, no blame is warranted. These are all adults who could have decided not to attend. Yes the virus is real. The hysteria surrounding the effects are what I question. I honestly do not feel that one is responsible for another person catching a virus. The virus is responsible. If I know I have it for sure, that is one thing. But if not, and it's using me to take a ride to someone else? That's the whole debate here. Personally, I feel this thing is with us until the end of time in some iteration. So the question now is, how do we go forward? Absolute limitations and risk aversion? Opening completely back up and seeing who is standing afterward? Somewhere in the middle? And what is the collateral damage to any and all these strategies? Suicides, deaths caused by stress and stress related habits, etc.

I many times compare myself to Thanos (if you have to ask who that is, we've been locked down for 3 months and now still are limited in going out so watch the MCU movies already!) about all of this. That's NOT something I say proudly. It's just a **** sandwich one way or another and I tend to fall on the side of the "open up and see who's left afterward" side of the fence as I can't seem to justify these limitations without some sort of acknowledgment from the other side that this cannot go on indefinitely. Otherwise, and maybe I am committing the fallacy of slippery slope, these limitations will go forward forever and we will never go back to the old normal. Something that to me is far worse than the alternative as its not at all healthy long term either. To me, this virus will not put a dent in the human race and it's longevity. As such I see it as an acceptable risk to lean towards weening us off controls to a point where we just deal with outbreaks until, God forbid or willing, they stop. Let Natural Selection do what it has done for billions of years. Again, I do not say that lightly and totally understand the other side could be absolutely disgusted and revolted by this notion. And, just like I said at the onset of this post, I still continue to question that postulate as well. This whole thing sucks, on that we all can agree.
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No one in the local DFW area could corroborate and follow up on the story? How many gay guys named Tony Green are there in the metroplex? How many Rafeal Ceja's? Google search leads me to find a black Tony Green who is a real estate agent and another that had a local TV show.
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Knucklesammich said:

The TC Jester said:

Duncan Idaho said:

You shouldn't have to fear the virus, but the problem is that too large of a group doesn't respect the virus (e.g. the flumers, certain members of the national leadership).

If everyone respected the virus, there wouldn't be anything to fear.




Meh, me and the wife had it and so did 6-7 of our friends...all approaching 40. It wasn't nearly as bad as the flu...and bordered on asymptomatic for most of us. If I was morbidly obese with purple fluid logged ankles I'd respect the virus. But it's hard to take seriously when (a) I don't know anyone who knows anyone who has died from it, (b) me and everyone I know had such an easy time with it,

This is clearly worse than the flu. I believe Marcus had the best comparison in terms of deaths from both on another thread. Dude literally deals with this day to day in comparison to virtually every other malady that he has seen day to day for years...When someone that does this for a living says, "this is worse than the flu" then maybe it is.....That doesn't make it the Black Death but it sure isn't a casual run of the flu.

Well, TC Jester has had the flu and has had covid. He's saying the flu experience was worse than covid, is he not reading enough studies to let him know he's wrong?
Fenrir
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Beware of Doug said:

Dislike these types of article. It is a local (Dallas) article, about a national news article, about a local news 1st person article in the Dallas Voice.

The direct story.
https://dallasvoice.com/a-harsh-lesson-in-the-reality-of-covid-19/#comments

Of note, the author of the article is a conservative lobbyist that wrote a book last year that had this acknowledgement on Amazon.
Quote:


A special thanks to Texas Governor, Greg Abbott and President Donald Trump bothfor recognizing my efforts at solving the many problems within our current criminal justice system.America has a lot to be proud of and grateful for.



That profile pic on that article looks like a cardboard cutout. Is this another mf Barnes alias?
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