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overweight with high blood pressure - she was in her mid 60s with no other pre-conditions that we know of

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Great point. Being overweight or obese is a pre-existing condition. I do think a lot of people do not realize it is. My doc says that he thinks being overweight or obese is the major catalyst to having problems with Covid. I really hope many realize this and turn their lifestyles around and lose weight.

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Is there more information on the definition for overweight and obese and how the risk equates? For example, I am a 6'2" 43 yr old male weight 215lbs who exercises 6-7 days a week with a mix of cardio and weights. I could stand to lose weight per my BMI. How much is my risk increased? Just curious is there is a clear answer of guideline on this

I believe the Drs have said that a BMI of over 35 is where the real issues come to play. Obviously, according to the charts, you are around 27 which is in the slightly category but not obese. I don't think you'd be classified as extreme risk at that age.

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overweight with high blood pressure - she was in her mid 60s with no other pre-conditions that we know of

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Great point. Being overweight or obese is a pre-existing condition. I do think a lot of people do not realize it is. My doc says that he thinks being overweight or obese is the major catalyst to having problems with Covid. I really hope many realize this and turn their lifestyles around and lose weight.

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Is there more information on the definition for overweight and obese and how the risk equates? For example, I am a 6'2" 43 yr old male weight 215lbs who exercises 6-7 days a week with a mix of cardio and weights. I could stand to lose weight per my BMI. How much is my risk increased? Just curious is there is a clear answer of guideline on this

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BMI is a BS number. It doesn't account for muscle mass at all. Just takes your weight and height. To me, I am happy when my BMI is slightly high but my BF% is low. FOr instance, many high level athletes and body builders can have high BMI and have BF% under 7-8%. It's BF% you should be much more concerned with. Honestly, if it's really under 20% for a male, it's very good. Heck, even under 25% depending on your muscle mass. I would focus on your strength and continue doing what you are doing. If you want to lean out, continue and eat less.

And to get an idea of what your BF% is, many gyms have measuring devices like InBody and others that give a relatively good idea of what your body fat is, muscle mass etc. Granted, I would take those with a dose of salt but in general sense, they are good. Or get a trainer to do a 7 point caliper test.

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overweight with high blood pressure - she was in her mid 60s with no other pre-conditions that we know of

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Great point. Being overweight or obese is a pre-existing condition. I do think a lot of people do not realize it is. My doc says that he thinks being overweight or obese is the major catalyst to having problems with Covid. I really hope many realize this and turn their lifestyles around and lose weight.

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Is there more information on the definition for overweight and obese and how the risk equates? For example, I am a 6'2" 43 yr old male weight 215lbs who exercises 6-7 days a week with a mix of cardio and weights. I could stand to lose weight per my BMI. How much is my risk increased? Just curious is there is a clear answer of guideline on this

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To be at a healthy BMI you would need to be at 195 or less but you may still be healthy if you have low body fat.

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overweight with high blood pressure - she was in her mid 60s with no other pre-conditions that we know of

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Great point. Being overweight or obese is a pre-existing condition. I do think a lot of people do not realize it is. My doc says that he thinks being overweight or obese is the major catalyst to having problems with Covid. I really hope many realize this and turn their lifestyles around and lose weight.

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Is there more information on the definition for overweight and obese and how the risk equates? For example, I am a 6'2" 43 yr old male weight 215lbs who exercises 6-7 days a week with a mix of cardio and weights. I could stand to lose weight per my BMI. How much is my risk increased? Just curious is there is a clear answer of guideline on this

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To be at a healthy BMI you would need to be at 195 or less but you may still be healthy if you have low body fat.

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I look at it this way, weight isn't important if you have low BF%. I honestly like being around 15-17% while strengthening or bulking up. Right now I am about 205LBS naked and on an empty stomach. Maybe a little less. And under 10% for aesthetics but either way, both are very healthy given I have finally over 100LBS or muscle. Eat well. Watch the processed and fried foods. The common sense stuff.

Also agree with this. BMI is only a starting point. It also depends on muscle, bone density, etc versus fat weight.

At 5-11, I typically hover in between 5-11 178-185 depending on how hardcore I'm going to the gym, and if I do a good job of cutting drinking back to 1 day a week instead of 2-3. That would be 25-26 on BMI and technically overweight.

But according to body fat %, right now I'm on my heavier end around 20-21%. I could get back to the 14-17% in 9-12 weeks if I really push forward, which would be ideal for me. I was there about a year ago. Hasn't been the most consistent year for me .

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From the OP asking for prayers for the deceased, to randos bragging about their fitness regimens and bodyfat percentages in under 10 posts. The tone deafness and narcissism on this site never ceases to amaze.

OP, T&P for your friend and their family. No such thing as a good time to go, but it's always particularly terrible to me to hear of someone passing so soon after retirement.

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I am very sorry and offer T&P. I did not mean to sidetrack the thread.

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From the OP asking for prayers for the deceased, to randos bragging about their fitness regimens and bodyfat percentages in under 10 posts. The tone deafness and narcissism on this site never ceases to amaze.

OP, T&P for your friend and their family. No such thing as a good time to go, but it's always particularly terrible to me to hear of someone passing so soon after retirement.

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Huh? Weird thing to flex and be mad about. Sorry if it offended you, who is not the OP, but given it was my doctor who stated the concerns with overweight and obesity and what he has seen and read about regarding the susceptibility to Covid, it seemed very relevant and maybe could help; motivate anyone in that condition to make some different life choices. It also seemed to conversation had ended yet you seemed to keep it going with your protest post. What the person asked was very relevant and hopefully he was answered. Many really do not know how important BMI is and I took it to be b/c he was concerned about his weight and Covid.

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overweight with high blood pressure - she was in her mid 60s with no other pre-conditions that we know of

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Great point. Being overweight or obese is a pre-existing condition. I do think a lot of people do not realize it is. My doc says that he thinks being overweight or obese is the major catalyst to having problems with Covid. I really hope many realize this and turn their lifestyles around and lose weight.

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Is there more information on the definition for overweight and obese and how the risk equates? For example, I am a 6'2" 43 yr old male weight 215lbs who exercises 6-7 days a week with a mix of cardio and weights. I could stand to lose weight per my BMI. How much is my risk increased? Just curious is there is a clear answer of guideline on this

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BMI is a BS number. It doesn't account for muscle mass at all. Just takes your weight and height. To me, I am happy when my BMI is slightly high but my BF% is low. FOr instance, many high level athletes and body builders can have high BMI and have BF% under 7-8%. It's BF% you should be much more concerned with. Honestly, if it's really under 20% for a male, it's very good. Heck, even under 25% depending on your muscle mass. I would focus on your strength and continue doing what you are doing. If you want to lean out, continue and eat less.

And to get an idea of what your BF% is, many gyms have measuring devices like InBody and others that give a relatively good idea of what your body fat is, muscle mass etc. Granted, I would take those with a dose of salt but in general sense, they are good. Or get a trainer to do a 7 point caliper test.

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There isn't really a ton of research supporting that more weight, being from muscle, not fat is somehow immune from the risks that weight of any type promotes. I'm attributing this as mostly bro-science. I'm willing to hear evidence to the contrary, however, as I've been seeking this type of information since the start of the pandemic and when it became clear that it went after those at higher BMI.

From what I've seen, this might be true, but there isn't/aren't longitudinal studies which indicate that a 30 BMI at 15% is different than a 30 at 30% as far as all cause mortality and blood markers. Just to be clear what I'm after.

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[url] https://www.inverse.com/mind-body/muscles-weightlifting-immune-system-fatigue[/url]

Not sure if this totally answers having higher BMI b/c of accumulated skeletal muscle but a great argument for weightlifting being great for immune system.

As far as a higher BMI and being higher in weight b/c of muscle, I will say that sometimes the extremes can pose issues. For instance there may be some evidence that weighing an abnormal amount while having low body fat % in physique athletes taking steroids may be very hard on ones heart. Take a 275 or more lbs guy who normally without juice is at best 220-225. And this could explain heart attacks in some famous bodybuilders in their prime. The body may just not be built to be that big period if it's not natural. My heart would be taxed if I were 270+ at my normally skinny 6'2" frame. But those are extreme situations and not common amount the average weight lifter. Rich Piana comes to mind here.

Lost a 36 yr old friend (diabetes & COPD issues) and an A&M classmate '84 that was healthy as anybody I know

Hard to accept but no choice except move on.