I Am A Critic said:
Does anything here coincide with the arrival of more people from the mainland or other international points?
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Effective, Thursday, March 26, 2020, Governor David Ige has ordered that all persons entering the State of Hawai'i to self-quarantine for 14 days or for the duration of their stay in Hawai'i, whichever is shorter. Upon arrival, residents are required to quarantine in a designated location in their residence. Visitors will quarantine in their hotel room, rented lodging or in a room if staying at a residence. Quarantined individuals may only leave their designated location for medical emergencies or to seek medical care. Failure to comply with all rules and protocols related to quarantines is punishable by fines of up to $5,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
NASAg03 said:
Compare Hawaii with the Philippines, Vietnam, Cuba, and Belize, and notice they all see a large increase in cases around Aug 3. Only outlier is Dominican Republic.
Care to guess what they all have in common?
If people aren't wearing them, then clearly mask mandates are ineffective. Might as well end the mandate and encourage people to wear a mask anyway.chris1515 said:
Are people actually wearing the masks?
chris1515 said:
Are people actually wearing the masks?
Sarduakar said:NASAg03 said:
Compare Hawaii with the Philippines, Vietnam, Cuba, and Belize, and notice they all see a large increase in cases around Aug 3. Only outlier is Dominican Republic.
Care to guess what they all have in common?
They can all flip over? Dang it nope.
They arw all communist?
I think the data is tainted because of improper application and general miseducation.Keegan99 said:
So the theory is the massive spike would have been worse without masks?
That the benefits of masks are unfalsifiable?
Bingo.tysker said:I think the data is tainted because of improper application and general miseducation.Keegan99 said:
So the theory is the massive spike would have been worse without masks?
That the benefits of masks are unfalsifiable?
You're still much more likely to get infected from people you know (friends, family, and coworkers) in comfortable situations like at home or the workplace than from a random interaction especially when less than 15 mins. However, mask rules and implementation are mostly concerned with the random occurrences and not with the more common transmission vectors.
Last step: deny scientific studies and state they are falsified. Never mind that most studies on the effectiveness of masks were conducted in the decade before Covid 19 even emerged, and would not have the same potentially negative political or social influences on outcome.Keegan99 said:
So the theory is the massive spike would have been worse without masks?
That the benefits of masks are unfalsifiable?
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Dutch public health officials and the national government are unbending with respect to what they consider to be lack of scientific evidence on the efficacy of non-medical masks in limiting the spread of the novel coronavirus. On Wednesday, July 29th, at a press conference, officials maintained the line they've adopted since March: "There's no scientific evidence for the efficacy of non-medical masks."
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Research has shown that widespread use of face masks have little or no effect on reducing the spread of upper respiratory infections, according to a report presented a government-appointed working group led by the Ministry of Social Affairs and Health (MSAH) on Friday.
Studies show that some masks work very well, some masks work decently and others are essentially useless depending on usage, form factor, material, etc.Quote:
But to state masks studies showing they slow the spread of airborne illness are falsified is basically just waving the "fake news" wand over things you don't like.
This has been shown in literally every region measured. I don't know why some people, leaders, administrators refuse to see it. The spike is a "when" not "if". Lockdowns only delay the inevitable.yukmonkey said:
All this means is that Hawaii's peak will be later. And their economy will be in worse shape. There is no other argument.
Wow, you aren't kidding. This OP shows one of many examples that mask ordinances are ineffective, yet comments supporting that get deleted here. From Hawaii to Los Angeles to many European countries to what the CDC has said about masks around the flu, it's been proven over and over. Saying an ordinance is ineffective is not the same as saying the mask by itself is ineffective. It is saying that the behavior of the general public regarding their masks render them ineffective. This is a combination of poor handling, improper fitting and lack of wearing in many scenarios, including home.Austin Ag said:
You know Keegan99, that type of info will get your post removed here.
The latitude argument is such total BS.NASAg03 said:Sarduakar said:NASAg03 said:
Compare Hawaii with the Philippines, Vietnam, Cuba, and Belize, and notice they all see a large increase in cases around Aug 3. Only outlier is Dominican Republic.
Care to guess what they all have in common?
They can all flip over? Dang it nope.
They arw all communist?
Same latitude. 20 deg N.
Virus gonna virus and follows a common pattern. There's a reason the northen climes, regardless of population density, traffic patterns, and international travel, were hit hardest first.
Policy and masks did very little other than delay the inevitable and damage the economy.
I agree with this, but I'd add lack of compliance and lack of enforcement before anything you listed.ORAggieFan said:
Saying an ordinance is ineffective is not the same as saying the mask by itself is ineffective. It is saying that the behavior of the general public regarding their masks render them ineffective. This is a combination of poor handling, improper fitting and lack of wearing in many scenarios, including home.
