Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine 'before Xmas"'

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Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine deliveries could start 'before Christmas'

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(Reuters) - Pfizer Inc PFE.N and BioNTech 22UAy.DE could secure emergency U.S. and European authorization for their COVID-19 vaccine next month after final trial results showed it had a 95% success rate and no serious side effects, the drugmakers said on Wednesday.

The vaccine's efficacy was found to be consistent across different ages and ethnicities - a promising sign given the disease has disproportionately hurt the elderly and certain groups including Black people.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration could grant emergency-use by the middle of December, BioNTech Chief Executive Ugur Sahin told Reuters TV. Conditional approval in the European Union could be secured in the second half of December, he added.

"If all goes well I could imagine that we gain approval in the second half of December and start deliveries before Christmas, but really only if all goes positively," he said
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The success rate of the vaccine developed by the U.S. drugmaker and German partner BioNTech was far higher than what regulators had said would have been acceptable. Experts said it was a significant achievement in the race to end the pandemic.

Of the 170 volunteers who contracted COVID-19 in Pfizer's trial involving over 43,000 people, 162 had received a placebo and not the vaccine, meaning the vaccine was 95% effective. Of the 10 people who had severe COVID-19, one had received the vaccine.

"A first in the history of mankind: less than a year from the sequence of the virus to the large-scale clinical trial of a vaccine, moreover based on a whole new technique," said Enrico Bucci, a biologist at Temple University in Philadelphia. "Today is a special day."

BioNTech's Sahin said U.S. emergency use authorization (EUA) would be applied for on Friday.

An FDA advisory committee tentatively plans to meet on Dec. 8-10 to discuss the vaccine, a source familiar with the situation said, though the dates could change. The FDA did not respond to requests for comment.

"We now have two safe and highly effective vaccines that could be authorized by the Food and Drug Administration and ready to distribute within weeks," U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said.

The Moderna vaccine is likely to be authorized within seven to 10 days of Pfizer receiving its EUA, U.S. officials said, with states ready to begin distribution within 24 hours.

The better-than-expected results from the two vaccines, both developed with new messenger RNA (mRNA) technology, have raised hopes for an end to a pandemic that has killed more than 1.3 million people and wreaked havoc upon economies and daily life.

The news was especially welcome with the virus again running rampant around the world, setting records for new infections and hospitalizations almost daily.

The Pfizer-BioNTech shot was found to have 94% efficacy in people over age 65, a particularly high-risk group.

"This is the evidence we needed to ensure that the most vulnerable people are protected," said Andrew Hill, senior visiting research fellow at the University of Liverpool's department of pharmacology.

Global shares rose as the trial results countered concerns around the soaring infection rate. Pfizer shares were up 1.6% while BioNTech jumped 3.8% in the United States. Moderna shares fell 3.6%.

Investors have treated vaccine development as a race between companies, although there is likely to be global demand for as much vaccine as can be produced for the foreseeable future.

Pfizer said it expects to make as many as 50 million vaccine doses this year, enough to protect 25 million people, and then produce up to 1.3 billion doses in 2021.

While some groups such as healthcare workers will be prioritized in the United States and Britain for vaccinations, it will be months before large-scale rollouts begin in either country.

On Wednesday, Pfizer said it had offered to provide Brazil with millions of doses in the first half of 2021. It also has agreements with the European Union, Germany and Japan where distribution could begin next year.

Mike Ryan, the World Health Organization's top emergency expert, said it would be at least 4-6 months before significant levels of vaccination were taking place around the world.

Distribution of a Pfizer-BioNTech shot is complicated by the need to store it at ultra-cold temperatures of -70 degrees Celsius. It can, however, be kept in normal refrigeration for up to five days, or up to 15 days in a thermal shipping box.

Moderna's vaccine can be stored for up to six months at -20C though it is expected to be stable for 30 days at normal fridge temperatures of 2 to 8 degrees Celsius (36-46F).

FATIGUE AND HEADACHES
Pfizer said vaccine was well-tolerated and that side effects were mostly mild to moderate, and cleared up quickly. The only severe adverse events experienced by volunteers were fatigue (3.8%) and headaches (2%) after the second dose. Older adults tended to report fewer and milder adverse events.

"These are extraordinary results, and the safety data look good," said David Spiegelhalter, a professor and expert in risk and evidence communication at the University of Cambridge.

Of the dozens of drugmakers and research groups racing to develop COVID-19 vaccines, the next late-stage data will likely be from AstraZeneca Plc AZN.L with the University of Oxford in November or December. Johnson & Johnson JNJ.N said it is on track to deliver data this year.

Authorization of vaccines for children will take longer. Only Pfizer has started vaccinating volunteers under age 18 and as young as 12. Moderna and J&J have said they hope to start testing the vaccine in younger people soon.
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george07
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Or maybe, just maybe, the doctors and scientists responsible for the vaccine should get the credit, not politicians that had nothing to do with it.
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george07 said:

Or maybe, just maybe, the doctors and scientists responsible for the vaccine should get the credit, not politicians that had nothing to do with it.
Then let's don't blame the politicians for the deaths from a virus no scientist had ever dealt with before either, which btw I don't.
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george07 said:

Or maybe, just maybe, the doctors and scientists responsible for the vaccine should get the credit, not politicians that had nothing to do with it.


politicians absolutely deserve credit for getting a vaccine to the mkt in less than a year. dont kid yourself
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The entire world, for the first time, was united to try to find a vaccine for this virus. Giving credit to Trump for this vaccine (or Biden, or any other politician) is misplacing the credit. All of the world's immunologists were working on one thing for the past year. That's why you are seeing multiple vaccines coming to fruition right now. Any politician would throw money at a vaccine when asked to do so in this situation.
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Tired of everything becoming some sort of political di^k measuring contest, gets old and is pointless.

Can we not focus on the revolutionary aspects of these developments for not only COVID but beyond?

I could give a rats a$$ who gets credit at the political leve, I'd rather celebrate the scientists who are getting it done.
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I would like to state for the record that my comment was made because the first comment was worrying about whether Trump or Biden would get credit. Idiotic. I agree, this is excellent news and that's what we should be focused on. Has nothing to do with politics, everyone is going to benefit and we can go back to the way things used to be sooner rather than later.
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There is exactly one thing to credit for speeding this vaccine effort, and it's the willingness to set tens of billions of dollars on fire. The government gets credit for that, Bill Gates gets credit for that, pharma gets credit for that.
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Hospital is getting shipment next week
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Knucklesammich said:

Tired of everything becoming some sort of political di^k measuring contest, gets old and is pointless.

Can we not focus on the revolutionary aspects of these developments for not only COVID but beyond?

I could give a rats a$$ who gets credit at the political leve, I'd rather celebrate the scientists who are getting it done.


i absolutely agree that the scientists get credit for the invention.
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Maybe sooner for TX


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We have -80C freezers. they can ship it to me.
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Haven't seen this anywhere. Have they noted the time line from injection to buildup of antibodies? I know the flu vaccine essentially takes 2 weeks to really become effective, so should we assume a similar timeline for this? I get the mechanism of the flu vaccine but this mRNA voodoo is something I don't have a grasp on yet.

I'd think that info would be very important or you're going to have people being reckless as soon as they get the needle out.
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https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/explaining-operation-warp-speed/index.html
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Harry Stone said:

We have -80C freezers. they can ship it to me.


You have room in your -80s? I can't even get my people to throw out 5 year old tubes with no labels....

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zachsccr said:

Haven't seen this anywhere. Have they noted the time line from injection to buildup of antibodies? I know the flu vaccine essentially takes 2 weeks to really become effective, so should we assume a similar timeline for this? I get the mechanism of the flu vaccine but this mRNA voodoo is something I don't have a grasp on yet.

I'd think that info would be very important or you're going to have people being reckless as soon as they get the needle out.


It's a two shot vaccine spaced a couple weeks apart. So hopefully people get the message not to head directly to the karaoke bar.
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amercer said:

Harry Stone said:

We have -80C freezers. they can ship it to me.


You have room in your -80s? I can't even get my people to throw out 5 year old tubes with no labels....




they're just worried its a possible bioweapon
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amercer said:

zachsccr said:

Haven't seen this anywhere. Have they noted the time line from injection to buildup of antibodies? I know the flu vaccine essentially takes 2 weeks to really become effective, so should we assume a similar timeline for this? I get the mechanism of the flu vaccine but this mRNA voodoo is something I don't have a grasp on yet.

I'd think that info would be very important or you're going to have people being reckless as soon as they get the needle out.


It's a two shot vaccine spaced a couple weeks apart. So hopefully people get the message not to head directly to the karaoke bar.


Yeah. Because getting to and from the bar is a greater risk for most of the population than the virus
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george07 said:

Or maybe, just maybe, the doctors and scientists responsible for the vaccine should get the credit, not politicians that had nothing to do with it.


Rolling back regulations had nothing to do with the science, but absolutely is the primary reason this will be able to be rolled out for public use so quickly.

I'll give this administration credit where it's due. Limiting the number of hoops that has to be jumped through was a big deal.
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Only 1.3 billion doses by year end 2021 and the WHO says it will still take 4-6 months for vaccines to be widely spread? Seems like the pandemic will have naturally subsided by then anyways, no?
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We won't need that many doses that's for sure. If I had rona already no way I would take a Vaccine. Probably immune for years.l
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Well each person needs 2 doses...
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you target the most vulnerable. if it works there should be a total drop off in deaths and severe abatement in hospitalizations by early summer. at least, stateside.

with a working vaccine in hand, any mention of natural herd immunity is ridiculous at this point for those populations with access.
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Random thought on this: If you want to slow down the spread wouldn't it make sense to vaccinate working people who are out in the public?

It won't happen right away because I think the goal will be to lower the death toll and hospitalized, but if you wanted to stop the spread quicker that would be the group to vaccinate.

IMO younger healthy working people are the ones spreading it.
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It would be nice to reward all the grocery store people that have been out there the whole time
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That's sort of my thought process on it.

Not necessarily as a reward, but vaccinate the working people who are part of the functioning economy that has to stay open. (gas stations, groceries, fast food) (Just think of a fast food kitchen and how easy it would be to spread it)

It would probably help slow the spread down dramatically.

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If it was up to me (which it isn't and this won't happen) I'd go in the order for who gets the shots.

1 Health care workers/Police/Firefighters

2 Very specific essential workers (basically parts of the supply chain)

3 Old people/immune compromised

4 Everyone else
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teachers in the first tranche as well
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I thought about that after I posted

My thought process is give it to people who can't avoid public contact. A person who has no option to work from home, who is also apart of the supply chain and is in contact with a lot of people.

You could give teachers the vaccine at the same time as the very specific essential workers or give it to them right after old people.

I know virtual learning is crap and doesn't work but that's at least an option.

For folks who are apart of the supply chain, they have no option to work from home.

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cone said:

you target the most vulnerable. if it works there should be a total drop off in deaths and severe abatement in hospitalizations by early summer. at least, stateside.

with a working vaccine in hand, any mention of natural herd immunity is ridiculous at this point for those populations with access.

Define vulnerable. Is an old person living in a LTC facility that only sees 2 people all day (who likely have already been vaccinated) more or less vulnerable than a millennial bartender or waiter?

Similar to your thoughts on grocery store workers, should we be providing vaccines to the people most likely to have serious complications or to those most likely to become infected and transmit to others?
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KlinkerAg11 said:

I thought about that after I posted

My thought process is give it to people who can't avoid public contact. A person who has no option to work from home, who is also apart of the supply chain and is in contact with a lot of people.

You could give teachers the vaccine at the same time as the very specific essential workers or give it to them right after old people.

I know virtual learning is crap and doesn't work but that's at least an option.

For folks who are apart of the supply chain, they have no option to work from home.



I think this is the more logical process to getting life back to normal which that means we will probably do it exactly opposite.
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AgsMyDude said:

Maybe sooner for TX



Drugmaker Pfizer announced Monday it has chosen Texas to be a part of a pilot program to test distribution of its COVID-19 vaccine.

Rhode Island, Tennessee and New Mexico are also a part of the program, Pfizer said. The states will not receive the vaccine doses earlier than other states, but they will be supported by the company.

"Pfizer announced this pilot program to help better support the states' planning, deployment and administration of the COVID-19 vaccine candidate," the drugmaker said in a statement. "Learnings from this program will be adapted for usage across other states to help them create effective immunization programs for this vaccine."


https://www.star-telegram.com/news/coronavirus/article247233099.html
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AgsMyDude said:

Well each person needs 2 doses...

Is 600 million vaccinations worldwide considered enough to make a dent? Yes it reads like a big number but what effect will it really have on the ground?
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