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the benefits of flattening the curve and postponing infections while science catches up
Nope. The virus is not the same as it was in the spring. And we are two weeks past the spiking, where are all the deaths?cone said:
the benefits of flattening the curve and postponing infections while science catches up
And that is two months ago? What will it take to satisfy you?
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They have been hiding deaths for six weeks? C'mon man.
And how do you "flatten the curve" with no masks or restrictions?
And how do you "flatten the curve" with no masks or restrictions?
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what do you mean nope
at the outset of the nyc outbreak they were still putting people on ventilators
I'm glad Houston avoid that for sure
at the outset of the nyc outbreak they were still putting people on ventilators
I'm glad Houston avoid that for sure
It was worth the delay to find out dexamethasone works decently
Not talking about NYC.cone said:
what do you mean nope
at the outset of the nyc outbreak they were still putting people on ventilators
I'm glad Houston avoid that for sure
Please explain how Florida, with zero restrictions for two months, has so few deaths?
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Budesonide works okay. But y'all will never admit the virus is not the same.cone said:
It was worth the delay to find out dexamethasone works decently
We have a huge spike in cases but no spike in deaths. What will it take to convince you?
And Shazam, who suggested steroids in March?
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is the Florida virus different than the one currently wreaking havoc in the Midwest?
I don't understand the point. The Sunbelt had a lot of advantages getting their wave in the summer. Learned experience being one of them.
NYC unfortunately had bull**** advice from China and Italy's panicked response and not much else. Lots of mistakes were made.
I don't understand the point. The Sunbelt had a lot of advantages getting their wave in the summer. Learned experience being one of them.
NYC unfortunately had bull**** advice from China and Italy's panicked response and not much else. Lots of mistakes were made.
clearly NYC is germane to the discussion since it's in your OP graph
The point is that masks and social distancing have nothing to do with anything. Unless Floridians are magically immune.cone said:
is the Florida virus different than the one currently wreaking havoc in the Midwest?
I don't understand the point. The Sunbelt had a lot of advantages getting their wave in the summer. Learned experience being one of them.
NYC unfortunately had bull**** advice from China and Italy's panicked response and not much else. Lots of mistakes were made.
No restrictions for eight weeks. No increase in deaths. And I read on this very forum about the spike in deaths we would see after the spike in cases. Over two weeks ago. They were wrong, correct?
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NYC had pretty strict mask and social distancing requirements. Why the difference from Florida?cone said:
clearly NYC is germane to the discussion since it's in your OP graph
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in March?
Throw Illinois in there. Way worse than FL with way less people and way more strict.
And nevermind the population density in NY and that even if there are no state wide mandates, people are still modifying their behavior.
cone said:
in March?
Yep.
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you won't get arguments from me about the ineffectiveness of masking, at least when it comes the sort of masks the experts have been saying are acceptably effective
public health has completely f'd up the masking issue
public health has completely f'd up the masking issue
there was no masking at all in March
Fauci was still running his noble lie
and any social distancing was organic, not mandated
the subways were still open and ridership hadn't fallen off a cliff yet
+20% of NYC got infected in two months
Fauci was still running his noble lie
and any social distancing was organic, not mandated
the subways were still open and ridership hadn't fallen off a cliff yet
+20% of NYC got infected in two months
Who did you suggest it to?
If I did not post it on here I know I pm'd and discussed it with other docs on here. Also suggested biological to stop the cytokine storm and transfusions because of the oxygenation problems. Some great docs on here.
And estimated an IFR of .3-.6%. And I am not an epidemiologist.
And I got blasted on here.
And estimated an IFR of .3-.6%. And I am not an epidemiologist.
And I got blasted on here.
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ORAggieFan said:
Thread on Ill.
With all due respect, positive cases mean zero. The death rates are not going up. Great news!
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I agree with you on cases. But, if the government measures worked, Ill would be way better off than FL. That's all this shows.
And they do not work. You can not stop the spread of a respiratory virus. Obviously wearing masks and social distancing mean little or Florida would be worse than Illinois, correct?ORAggieFan said:
I agree with you on cases. But, if the government measures worked, Ill would be way better off than FL. That's all this shows.
My goodness this frustrating.
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so it's got a IFR in the 0.5% range and is hyper infectious
is that supposed to make it better?
I don't think masks work very well. I think social distancing certainly helps.
is that supposed to make it better?
I don't think masks work very well. I think social distancing certainly helps.
I'll reserve judgement until Florida gets into the same winter conditions Illinois started seeing a month or so ago
personally I'm rooting for the mildest winter ever
personally I'm rooting for the mildest winter ever
Actually the IFR will be lower than that and is inflated from when the virus was more virulent in the spring.cone said:
so it's got a IFR in the 0.5% range and is hyper infectious
is that supposed to make it better?
I don't think masks work very well. I think social distancing certainly helps.
It is not the same virus or we would have a huge death spike now from the recent spike in cases, correct?
I was told on this very forum two weeks ago to expect that death spike. And it did not occur, correct?
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So what are the death rates in Illinois? Positive cases mean nothing.cone said:
I'll reserve judgement until Florida gets into the same winter conditions Illinois started seeing a month or so ago
personally I'm rooting for the mildest winter ever
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death spike where? are we not seeing a significant increase in deaths per day to where 300k total by year end is plausible?
given your OP, can you provide that as well?
curious about Wisconsin too since they are supposedly over their peak in cases/day
curious about Wisconsin too since they are supposedly over their peak in cases/day
I thought it was a quasi-casedemic too
until Europe death curves started to match what they had in March
until Europe death curves started to match what they had in March
Haven't we seen places where deaths are logged as Covid weeks to months later?
Not to my knowledge. All I know is that everybody who is covid positive gets charted as covid cause of death because the hospital gets paid I believe 37k for that diagnosis.
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I guess you just can't trust anything these days
Sure you can. Just need to understand that positive tests mean nothing. And that is a high hurde to get over.cone said:
I guess you just can't trust anything these days
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