"everyone in U.S. could be immunized by June"

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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/01/trump-covid-vaccine-chief-says-everyone-in-us-could-be-immunized-by-june.html

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The entire U.S. population could be vaccinated against Covid-19 by June, and there could be enough doses to immunize the rest of the nearly 8 billion people in the world by early to mid-2022, the Trump administration's vaccine chief said Tuesday.

"Hopefully by the middle of the year, I hope most Americans will have been immunized, which means the level of hesitancy that exists currently will have been decreased because people will have learned more information ... about the vaccine," Moncef Slaoui, chief science advisor for the White House's Operation Warp Speed, told The Washington Post in a livestream interview.

If enough get immunized, he said the U.S. "should have this pandemic under control in the second half of 2021."

Two companies Pfizer and Moderna have now applied for emergency authorization from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for their coronavirus vaccines, which could be given the green light in just a few weeks. Slaoui said there will be roughly 40 million doses available by the end of the year, which would be enough for 20 million people since both vaccines require two shots per person.

He said that it's "a big number" of doses to manufacture, but it's "a small number compared to the U.S. population and the need we have," adding that people should continue to follow public health guidance, like wearing face coverings and maintaining a physical distance from others in the meantime.

Initial doses will likely be set aside for front-line health-care workers, followed by vulnerable Americans, like the elderly or those with underlying conditions that place them at higher risk of serious illness. A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention panel, called the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, is set to vote Tuesday on who should be prioritized for vaccinations.

"While we're all very excited to have these vaccines coming out, it's going to take a while before the whole population gets immunized," Slaoui said.

Operation Warp Speed is working with six pharmaceutical companies to develop, manufacture and distribute their Covid-19 vaccines. In addition to Pfizer and Moderna, the federal government has supply agreements with AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson and Novavax for the first doses of their vaccines upon authorization.

Slaoui said Moderna and Pfizer will likely supply between 60 million and 70 million doses by January, which would be enough for at least 30 million people since each one takes two rounds of doses, he said. After January, other vaccines could be added to that mix if authorized by the FDA, adding an additional 30 million and 50 million doses from other companies, he said.

"Very quickly we'll start having more than 150 million doses a month in March, April, May," Slaoui said.

However, a lot more vaccine doses will be required to inoculate nearly 8 billion people around the globe and achieve so-called herd immunity.

Each of the six companies in the operation's portfolio have the ability to manufacture between 500 million and 1 billion doses by the end of 2021, which could supply up to 6 billion doses of vaccine next year.

However, there are other vaccines under development that could help with the supply, he said. As of a Nov. 12 report from the World Health Organization, 48 vaccines were in clinical trials and a total of more than 200 were under development globally.

"That I think is reassuring because between that and the other vaccines being developed, I would hope by early 2022 or middle 2022 most of the world will have been immunized," Slaoui said.
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So my question is, as someone who had the virus and tested positive for the antibodies, do I need the vaccine?
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SunrayAg said:

So my question is, as someone who had the virus and tested positive for the antibodies, do I need the vaccine?


I've wondered that, but also would those that have had it and declined a vaccine be penalized in some scenarios.

Ex: traveling abroad and the incoming country requires either vaccination paperwork or a COVID test. No antibody/prior COVID test results considered.
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at the very least, if you want it, you should be last in line.
Please tell me there's a special place in Heaven for Aggie fans! It's like we are living some sort of penance on Earth.
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SunrayAg said:

So my question is, as someone who had the virus and tested positive for the antibodies, do I need the vaccine?
From a health standpoint I would imagine not but good luck going anywhere once businesses start requiring proof of immunization to do anything.
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Question for the infectious disease experts: So, why would you want or need to immunize the entire population?
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Until AstraZeneca gets their **** together and brings something to the table better than 60% efficacy, I wouldn't count on them being part of the US solution any time soon.

Their dosage screw up and low efficacy of the correct dosage doesn't give me any confidence in them.

They'll probably be a bigger part of developing countries vaccination efforts.
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I'm not taking that vaccine. Who is going to make me?

New tech in Humans, I'll let others work out the kinks before I touch this vaccine. 5 years from now, maybe I'll consider it.

Now, if i'm an elderly person the risk reward is probably such that I would take the vaccine. I'm not touching it at my age until there is more data. Flu shot just about paralyzed my son, but we should get them every year. um. no.
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bones75 said:

Question for the infectious disease experts: So, why would you want or need to immunize the entire population?
Man that's a good question... especially on the "want" - it makes sense to me that we certainly wouldn't need it, and I'm one of the bro-iest of the coronabros.

Also makes sense that different places would have different needs... NYC would need better compliance than Houston; Houston would need better compliance than Yoakum.
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Everyone was on board with approval at 50% efficacy, so it's a little revisionist to call them out now.

I doubt the US will get any AZ supply anyway.
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So 6 billion doses. 2 per person. That means 3/7 billion on the planet, right? There are many more in need of it than me. So why should I be required to get it if it can go to someone else if I don't necessarily even want it?

Can someone explain to me why we need everyone? Mathematically, wouldn't just 30-40% of the US population turn this thing into next to nothing if it's around a 97% effective rate, and 100% effective at preventing severe cases? Why we need mandates and/or businesses requiring it? I get the sense that some might, but I just don't think it will be necessary.

I bet that 40 or 50% of the population will be rushing to get this asap voluntarily. Let's say even just 40%. Add to that that 15-20% of the population has already had it(maybe more by middle of next year), and that 20-25% develop minor to no symptoms?

It will be a logistical nightmare in my opinion to get it to 100% of the population, or even 80/90% by years end. That's my prediction. But the medical community has surprised me before. I just think that even 30-40% of the population getting vaccinated will turn this thing into less than the flu, and the numbers will bare that out between March and June/July of next year.

I sincerely hope businesses use more common sense here and just look at what happens the first few months to make a determination. If not enough people are getting it and the numbers continue to remain relatively high? Okay, revisit it then.

Personally, I'm not anti-vaxx, but I'm also in no rush to get a rushed vaccine for a survival rate of 99.7% in my age range all the while knowing medical staff and many others need it first anyways. 2 doses at that. Look, if it's in abundant supply by May or June of next year, and I know no one that needs it more is missing out, I'll go for it myself. If not, by the time it comes around to me, I firmly believe that the numbers have fizzled into next than nothing. So at that point, why should I need it, and why should a business require it?

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amercer said:

Everyone was on board with approval at 50% efficacy, so it's a little revisionist to call them out now.

I doubt the US will get any AZ supply anyway.
Uh no, not "everyone" was on board with a 50% efficacy vaccine. That's worse than the flu vaccine.
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bones75 said:

Question for the infectious disease experts: So, why would you want or need to immunize the entire population?
Really?

Why do we vaccinate the whole population for measles, whooping cough, polio, strep pneumo, Hep B, Hep A, Menginococcus?

To protect the vulnerable and those who do not respond to vaccine or cannot be vaccinated.

We attempt to vaccinate the whole population for a whole host of virus and bacteria that will not kill most of the people it infects. It is remarkably safe and effective and has been done for several decades.

Such an odd question to ask.

edit: edit to add that I do not think this will be indicated in the under 12 population any time soon as there are no active studies in that age group and they are not at risk and do not seem to spread it well.
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Thanks Doc. Can you ease the concerns about the potential side effects of a novel vaccine with no long-term safety studies? I'm not antivax and I've been getting vaccines regularly my whole life. However, this new RNA vaccine has me really nervous because my understanding is we have no long term safety trials.
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Motracicletraficificker said:

I'm not taking that vaccine. Who is going to make me?

New tech in Humans, I'll let others work out the kinks before I touch this vaccine. 5 years from now, maybe I'll consider it.

Now, if i'm an elderly person the risk reward is probably such that I would take the vaccine. I'm not touching it at my age until there is more data. Flu shot just about paralyzed my son, but we should get them every year. um. no.

Which essential oils do you recommend?
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ElephantRider said:

Motracicletraficificker said:

I'm not taking that vaccine. Who is going to make me?

New tech in Humans, I'll let others work out the kinks before I touch this vaccine. 5 years from now, maybe I'll consider it.

Now, if i'm an elderly person the risk reward is probably such that I would take the vaccine. I'm not touching it at my age until there is more data. Flu shot just about paralyzed my son, but we should get them every year. um. no.

Which essential oils do you recommend?



Sheep oil
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SunrayAg said:

So my question is, as someone who had the virus and tested positive for the antibodies, do I need the vaccine?
CDC estimates 8X the official infections in the US. That's 116 million people.

Offer it to the most vulnerable first, then work your way down to whoever else wants it.

I have never had the flu shot. I never get the flu. I've had covid-19. I won't be getting the vaccine.
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What is you have had Guillen Barre syndrome ? You are told not to take the flu shot. Would this have the same warnings?
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ElephantRider said:

Motracicletraficificker said:

I'm not taking that vaccine. Who is going to make me?

New tech in Humans, I'll let others work out the kinks before I touch this vaccine. 5 years from now, maybe I'll consider it.

Now, if i'm an elderly person the risk reward is probably such that I would take the vaccine. I'm not touching it at my age until there is more data. Flu shot just about paralyzed my son, but we should get them every year. um. no.

Which essential oils do you recommend?


COVID can already be treated medically without a vaccine. I'll take that path
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Just curious, how does the survival rate compare to the diseases you listed to Covid? Specifically for under 60 population.

Seems to my non-medical training that Hepatitis and Polio were absolutely devastating in most cases while Covid is still being debated as to its severity.

I think offering the vaccine is a great idea, treat it like the Flu. Hundreds of housands of people die each year from the flu, despite the flu shot. I'm unconvinced that a Flu-like Covid deserves a different treatment of mandatory vaccination.
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His question is valid. Covid is not severe disease like the ones you listed.

It targets a certain age group and existing conditions.
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Me too.
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That is Pollyanna in the OP and I don't believe it. It's also counter to a recent WSJ article I read.
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Motracicletraficificker said:

I'm not taking that vaccine. Who is going to make me?

New tech in Humans, I'll let others work out the kinks before I touch this vaccine. 5 years from now, maybe I'll consider it.

Now, if i'm an elderly person the risk reward is probably such that I would take the vaccine. I'm not touching it at my age until there is more data. Flu shot just about paralyzed my son, but we should get them every year. um. no.
According to a CBS article I just read, the EEOC has the power to grant your employer to require it. That doesn't make much sense to me but if you take the article at face value it could be required.

My wife's employer has already released a generic statement to the workforce that they are looking at the ins and outs of the vaccine to determine next steps with it.
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Gumby said:

Thanks Doc. Can you ease the concerns about the potential side effects of a novel vaccine with no long-term safety studies? I'm not antivax and I've been getting vaccines regularly my whole life. However, this new RNA vaccine has me really nervous because my understanding is we have no long term safety trials.
I doubt it. I won't be taking any of the mRNA based vaccines because of this. My brother is in the business and is adamantly opposed to it because the long-term implications are completely unknown. I'll wait for a non-DNA manipulating vaccine before I get one. In the meantime, the mRNA vaccines is counter to my religious beliefs and I won't be taking it.
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mRNA do not "manipulate DNA". Please don't add junk science and conspiracy theory to a good discussion.

We do not know the long term risk so if you do not want the vaccine don't get it.

We vaccinate older people and teens for whooping cough (as an example) to protect infants. The opposite is the case for COVID- we vaccinate younger people who are very likely to be exposed and transmit disease to protect the vulnerable elders.

I would be surprised if proof of vaccine is not going to be required for travel, concerts, several jobs.

So far 0 cases of GBS with vaccine or with COVID so likely a very low risk but I would discuss your personal risk with your physician.

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KidDoc said:

mRNA do not "manipulate DNA". Please don't add junk science and conspiracy theory to a good discussion.

We do not know the long term risk so if you do not want the vaccine don't get it.

We vaccinate older people and teens for whooping cough (as an example) to protect infants. The opposite is the case for COVID- we vaccinate younger people who are very likely to be exposed and transmit disease to protect the vulnerable elders.

I would be surprised if proof of vaccine is not going to be required for travel, concerts, several jobs.

So far 0 cases of GBS with vaccine or with COVID so likely a very low risk but I would discuss your personal risk with your physician.




I'd add if you look into the mechanism of the Pfizer vaccine or the moderna vaccine there really shouldn't be signficant long term risks. Well over 20,000 people have been vaccinated with both vaccines and monitored for months already. The impact of the actual vaccines is short as all they do is tell your body to make something that looks like the virus with genetic material that is temporary (your DNA has nothing to do with it, which is why it's temporary). The rest is your body's immune response without having the cellular invasion of the virus itself. At this point long term impacts from viral infection, known and unknown, should probably scare you more than the risks associated with the vaccine.

Why have we become such an anti-vax culture all the sudden? These vaccines are in the same ballpark as landing on the moon in 1969. Except these vaccines can stop 2000+ people a day from dying in America and allow everything to return to normal. But ultimately this depends on sufficient vaccination.
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Gordo14 said:

KidDoc said:

mRNA do not "manipulate DNA". Please don't add junk science and conspiracy theory to a good discussion.

We do not know the long term risk so if you do not want the vaccine don't get it.

We vaccinate older people and teens for whooping cough (as an example) to protect infants. The opposite is the case for COVID- we vaccinate younger people who are very likely to be exposed and transmit disease to protect the vulnerable elders.

I would be surprised if proof of vaccine is not going to be required for travel, concerts, several jobs.

So far 0 cases of GBS with vaccine or with COVID so likely a very low risk but I would discuss your personal risk with your physician.




I'd add if you look into the mechanism of the Pfizer vaccine or the moderna vaccine there really shouldn't be signficant long term risks. Well over 20,000 people have been vaccinated with both vaccines and monitored for months already. The impact of the actual vaccines is short as all they do is tell your body to make something that looks like the virus with genetic material that is temporary (your DNA has nothing to do with it, which is why it's temporary). The rest is your body's immune response without having the cellular invasion of the virus itself. At this point long term impacts from viral infection, known and unknown, should probably scare you more than the risks associated with the vaccine.

Why have we become such an anti-vax culture all the sudden? These vaccines are in the same ballpark as landing on the moon in 1969. Except these vaccines can stop 2000+ people a day from dying in America and allow everything to return to normal. But ultimately this depends on sufficient vaccination.
I totally understand the fear for non science people. We have never had a vaccine developed in under 5 years and they tend to compare it to the flu shot which is a VERY old shot tech- as old as vaccines period.

Most people do not understand how completely revolutionary mRNA vaccine technology is and how it is a true moonshot and will be looked upon as one of the true scientific miracles of the communication age.
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KidDoc said:

Gordo14 said:

KidDoc said:

mRNA do not "manipulate DNA". Please don't add junk science and conspiracy theory to a good discussion.

We do not know the long term risk so if you do not want the vaccine don't get it.

We vaccinate older people and teens for whooping cough (as an example) to protect infants. The opposite is the case for COVID- we vaccinate younger people who are very likely to be exposed and transmit disease to protect the vulnerable elders.

I would be surprised if proof of vaccine is not going to be required for travel, concerts, several jobs.

So far 0 cases of GBS with vaccine or with COVID so likely a very low risk but I would discuss your personal risk with your physician.




I'd add if you look into the mechanism of the Pfizer vaccine or the moderna vaccine there really shouldn't be signficant long term risks. Well over 20,000 people have been vaccinated with both vaccines and monitored for months already. The impact of the actual vaccines is short as all they do is tell your body to make something that looks like the virus with genetic material that is temporary (your DNA has nothing to do with it, which is why it's temporary). The rest is your body's immune response without having the cellular invasion of the virus itself. At this point long term impacts from viral infection, known and unknown, should probably scare you more than the risks associated with the vaccine.

Why have we become such an anti-vax culture all the sudden? These vaccines are in the same ballpark as landing on the moon in 1969. Except these vaccines can stop 2000+ people a day from dying in America and allow everything to return to normal. But ultimately this depends on sufficient vaccination.
I totally understand the fear for non science people. We have never had a vaccine developed in under 5 years and they tend to compare it to the flu shot which is a VERY old shot tech- as old as vaccines period.

Most people do not understand how completely revolutionary mRNA vaccine technology is and how it is a true moonshot and will be looked upon as one of the true scientific miracles of the communication age.


I heard a medical professional say they were concerned that the vaccine might trigger an autoimmune disorder. Im not sure how credible that risk is but its very concerning if true. Autoimmune disorders can destroy peoples life.

To be honest, I would be much more comfortable taking a vaccine using the old technology even if it is somewhat less effective. I feel like we have a pretty good understanding of the risks of attenuated vaccines.
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Here is an article where a number of doctors express concern about the mRNA vaccines.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-rushing-a-covid-19-vaccine-by-november-could-be-dangerous#Rushed-vaccine-could-damage-public-trust
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Gumby said:

Here is an article where a number of doctors express concern about the mRNA vaccines.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-rushing-a-covid-19-vaccine-by-november-could-be-dangerous#Rushed-vaccine-could-damage-public-trust
Where?

The linked article says nothing about mRNA tech and just amounts to hand-wringing worrying from a pHD.

quote:
rooke McKeever, PhD, associate dean of research and an associate professor of communications at the University of South Carolina, is concerned that rushing the COVID-19 vaccine might make more people hesitant about getting vaccinated.

"Cutting corners at this point could undermine public trust," she said. "If the data are complete, clear, and compelling, that is one thing, but we need to make sure the vaccine is safe and effective before it is made available to the public."
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For me, as a physician, the current data is compelling.
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Gumby said:

KidDoc said:

Gordo14 said:

KidDoc said:

mRNA do not "manipulate DNA". Please don't add junk science and conspiracy theory to a good discussion.

We do not know the long term risk so if you do not want the vaccine don't get it.

We vaccinate older people and teens for whooping cough (as an example) to protect infants. The opposite is the case for COVID- we vaccinate younger people who are very likely to be exposed and transmit disease to protect the vulnerable elders.

I would be surprised if proof of vaccine is not going to be required for travel, concerts, several jobs.

So far 0 cases of GBS with vaccine or with COVID so likely a very low risk but I would discuss your personal risk with your physician.




I'd add if you look into the mechanism of the Pfizer vaccine or the moderna vaccine there really shouldn't be signficant long term risks. Well over 20,000 people have been vaccinated with both vaccines and monitored for months already. The impact of the actual vaccines is short as all they do is tell your body to make something that looks like the virus with genetic material that is temporary (your DNA has nothing to do with it, which is why it's temporary). The rest is your body's immune response without having the cellular invasion of the virus itself. At this point long term impacts from viral infection, known and unknown, should probably scare you more than the risks associated with the vaccine.

Why have we become such an anti-vax culture all the sudden? These vaccines are in the same ballpark as landing on the moon in 1969. Except these vaccines can stop 2000+ people a day from dying in America and allow everything to return to normal. But ultimately this depends on sufficient vaccination.
I totally understand the fear for non science people. We have never had a vaccine developed in under 5 years and they tend to compare it to the flu shot which is a VERY old shot tech- as old as vaccines period.

Most people do not understand how completely revolutionary mRNA vaccine technology is and how it is a true moonshot and will be looked upon as one of the true scientific miracles of the communication age.


I heard a medical professional say they were concerned that the vaccine might trigger an autoimmune disorder. Im not sure how credible that risk is but its very concerning if true. Autoimmune disorders can destroy peoples life.

To be honest, I would be much more comfortable taking a vaccine using the old technology even if it is somewhat less effective. I feel like we have a pretty good understanding of the risks of attenuated vaccines.
This is my stance. The long-term implications are what concern me. I understand this is new tech and the way of the future. I'm not anti-vax and I have a degree in science (granted it would be considered a "soft" science and I'm a long way from that degree at this point in my life).

My brother who works in pharma and recently attended a doctor's conference came back from that with this exact commentary. Many of the docs there are concerned with the autoimmune disorder risk/unknowns with this.

I would absolutely consider a non-genetic based vaccine. I'm just not going to be first in line for new tech.
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YouBet said:

Gumby said:

KidDoc said:

Gordo14 said:

KidDoc said:

mRNA do not "manipulate DNA". Please don't add junk science and conspiracy theory to a good discussion.

We do not know the long term risk so if you do not want the vaccine don't get it.

We vaccinate older people and teens for whooping cough (as an example) to protect infants. The opposite is the case for COVID- we vaccinate younger people who are very likely to be exposed and transmit disease to protect the vulnerable elders.

I would be surprised if proof of vaccine is not going to be required for travel, concerts, several jobs.

So far 0 cases of GBS with vaccine or with COVID so likely a very low risk but I would discuss your personal risk with your physician.




I'd add if you look into the mechanism of the Pfizer vaccine or the moderna vaccine there really shouldn't be signficant long term risks. Well over 20,000 people have been vaccinated with both vaccines and monitored for months already. The impact of the actual vaccines is short as all they do is tell your body to make something that looks like the virus with genetic material that is temporary (your DNA has nothing to do with it, which is why it's temporary). The rest is your body's immune response without having the cellular invasion of the virus itself. At this point long term impacts from viral infection, known and unknown, should probably scare you more than the risks associated with the vaccine.

Why have we become such an anti-vax culture all the sudden? These vaccines are in the same ballpark as landing on the moon in 1969. Except these vaccines can stop 2000+ people a day from dying in America and allow everything to return to normal. But ultimately this depends on sufficient vaccination.
I totally understand the fear for non science people. We have never had a vaccine developed in under 5 years and they tend to compare it to the flu shot which is a VERY old shot tech- as old as vaccines period.

Most people do not understand how completely revolutionary mRNA vaccine technology is and how it is a true moonshot and will be looked upon as one of the true scientific miracles of the communication age.


I heard a medical professional say they were concerned that the vaccine might trigger an autoimmune disorder. Im not sure how credible that risk is but its very concerning if true. Autoimmune disorders can destroy peoples life.

To be honest, I would be much more comfortable taking a vaccine using the old technology even if it is somewhat less effective. I feel like we have a pretty good understanding of the risks of attenuated vaccines.
This is my stance. The long-term implications are what concern me. I understand this is new tech and the way of the future. I'm not anti-vax and I have a degree in science (granted it would be considered a "soft" science and I'm a long way from that degree at this point in my life).

My brother who works in pharma and recently attended a doctor's conference came back from that with this exact commentary. Many of the docs there are concerned with the autoimmune disorder risk/unknowns with this.

I would absolutely consider a non-genetic based vaccine. I'm just not going to be first in line for new tech.


Tha autoimmune risk should be dramatically lower with mRNA vaccines vs traditional vaccines. The mRNA approach is far more targeted, only acting on the binding and neutralizing portion on the virus, as opposed to other vaccines that create a cocktail of various antibodies (some of which are neutralizing and others of which aren't).
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This article is particularly concerning because it discusses the possibility that the vaccine could make the disease more severe. And the author is a former professor at Harvard Medical School who founded research departments on cancer and HIV/AIDS.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-risks-of-rushing-a-covid-19-vaccine/
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Gumby said:

This article is particularly concerning because it discusses the possibility that the vaccine could make the disease more severe. And the author is a former professor at Harvard Medical School who founded research departments on cancer and HIV/AIDS.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-risks-of-rushing-a-covid-19-vaccine/


You would have seen ADE in Phase III. Didn't happen. The risk with mRNA for ADE is also probably far lower the for the same reason autoimmune risk is lower (like a sniper rifle vs a shotgun).
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