Is this fake news?

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3rd Generation Ag
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My news said England going back into pretty much full lockdown due the this new strain of the virus. First, is this true? Second, why would it be necessary?
Charpie
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Yes.
I have no idea why
P.U.T.U
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It is true

Seems like no matter what a country does but Covid is spreading. Can't stand to see schools closed again for the kids that are so low risk

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British Prime Minister Boris Johnson ordered a national lockdown through mid-February in an effort to combat a variant of the coronavirus that is continuing to rapidly spread in the region.

Under the rules, which are set to come into effect as soon as possible, primary and secondary schools, and colleges will be closed for face-to-face learning except for the children of key workers. University students will not be returning until at least mid-February.

Non-essential businesses such as hair salons and restaurants will be closed, although eateries can operate delivery services. As of Monday, England reported more than 26,600 COVID-19 patients in hospitals, which is a 30% jump from a week ago.

Also on Monday, Scotland announced it is implementing a coronavirus lockdown.

The measures in Scotland, which start Tuesday and remain in effect until at least the end of this month, will ask residents to make trips outside of their homes only for essential purposes and to limit the size of outdoor gatherings to two people from separate households, not including children. Schools will also remain closed for in-person learning for most students.

"It is no exaggeration to say that I am more concerned about the situation we face now than I have been at any time since March last year," First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said. "It is essential that we further limit interaction between different households to stem the spread and bring the situation back under control, while we vaccinate more people."
Duncan Idaho
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To answer the OP, they are terrified of the new strain. Look at what is happening in LA or in Marcus's hospital if you don't understand why they are concerned about it being 50% more contagious.

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Duncan Idaho said:

To answer the OP, they are terrified of the new strain. Look at what is happening in LA or in Marcus's hospital if you don't understand why they are concerned about it being 50% more contagious.




Historically, if a virus is more contagious, it's usually been weaker. Do we even know yet?
Duncan Idaho
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It is all about big numbers. It's is counterintuitive but more people would die as a vaccine is rolled out from a strain of this virus that is 50% more contagious than one that is 50% more deadly.

They are in a race between vaccination and overwhelmed hospitals. And they are terrified. It is why they are doing this, it is why they are changing their vaccination strategy.

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3rd Generation Ag said:

My news said England going back into pretty much full lockdown due the this new strain of the virus. First, is this true? Second, why would it be necessary?
Yes, it's true.

I assume they are worried about hospitalizations, but I'm not sure why they feel it is necessary. The UK hospitalizations are now equal to what they were back in April, perhaps they are worried they will continue to rise and overwhelm the system.

Interestingly they number of patients on ventilator appears just over half the UK total in April, perhaps that is reflective of improvements in treatment.
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It was a reaction to hospitalization going up 30% in one week. It's easier to call for lockdowns when you're in the process of administering 90% effective vaccines to millions of vulnerable people, but sad they need to resort to it at all.
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The Big12Ag said:

3rd Generation Ag said:

My news said England going back into pretty much full lockdown due the this new strain of the virus. First, is this true? Second, why would it be necessary?
Yes, it's true.

I assume they are worried about hospitalizations, but I'm not sure why they feel it is necessary. The UK hospitalizations are now equal to what they were back in April, perhaps they are worried they will continue to rise and overwhelm the system.

Interestingly they number of patients on ventilator appears just over half the UK total in April, perhaps that is reflective of improvements in treatment.
A lot of staff are out at various UK hospitals due to PCR testing positive. Issue is most/many have had it but this will still test PCR positive.

The UK seems to be all in on a full shut down and I don't see any science/math based rationale as to how/why this is required. My suspicion is Boris was scared/terrified by his personal experience and though a brilliant guy can't see past the hysteria in the press/some of his advisors.
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wouldn't be opposed to it at all here stateside either coincident with the vacc rollout

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dude it's the variant strain
The Big12Ag
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nortex97 said:

The Big12Ag said:

3rd Generation Ag said:

My news said England going back into pretty much full lockdown due the this new strain of the virus. First, is this true? Second, why would it be necessary?
Yes, it's true.

I assume they are worried about hospitalizations, but I'm not sure why they feel it is necessary. The UK hospitalizations are now equal to what they were back in April, perhaps they are worried they will continue to rise and overwhelm the system.

Interestingly they number of patients on ventilator appears just over half the UK total in April, perhaps that is reflective of improvements in treatment.
A lot of staff are out at various UK hospitals due to PCR testing positive. Issue is most/many have had it but this will still test PCR positive.


They don't continue to test sick staff via PCR in order to return to work. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-management-of-exposed-healthcare-workers-and-patients-in-hospital-settings/covid-19-management-of-exposed-healthcare-workers-and-patients-in-hospital-settings

May I ask where you got your information regarding numbers of UK healthcare staff that are out due to quarantine and that they require a PCR negative test to return to work?
nortex97
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cone said:

dude it's the variant strain
What in the data justifies it then?

If NPI's don't work, and there is a concern in the UK about the new strain; why go to...yet more extreme NPI's?
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nortex97 said:

cone said:

dude it's the variant strain
What in the data justifies it then?

If NPI's don't work, and there is a concern in the UK about the new strain; why go to...yet more extreme NPI's?
The new variant in the UK seems to be 50-70% more transmissible. As a result, the UK has had a big surge in hospitalizations putting stress on the system. 30% increase in one week. There are some claims that the new strain may be more effective at infecting and spreading via children, which was one reason to close schools.

And yes, prt of the issue is that the UK was slow to react during the first wave and a bunch of people died as a result. The first wave lockdown did effectively slow the virus growth and get it under control for a period.

These are very difficult decisions for world leaders, don't envy the concerns they have to balance for lives and the economy/mental health. I think it's easier to call for a lockdown while you're currently distributing vaccines to vulnerable people. Hope this all ends soon.
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Just spoke with a vendor based in Denmark and Germany, they expect stricter lockdowns than ever before to be announced soon.
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Duncan Idaho said:

To answer the OP, they are terrified of the new strain. Look at what is happening in LA or in Marcus's hospital if you don't understand why they are concerned about it being 50% more contagious.


i.e. they are panicking. Nothing good ever comes from panicking.
Capitol Ag
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A few weeks old, but still relevant to this IMO

HotardAg07
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jamey
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Duncan Idaho said:

To answer the OP, they are terrified of the new strain. Look at what is happening in LA or in Marcus's hospital if you don't understand why they are concerned about it being 50% more contagious.




I was wondering if that was what's going on in LA. Has it been confirmed the new strain is at the root of problems there?
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