Another Pfizer Vaccine Death

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Goose83
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Beginning to think that the Moderna vaccine will be the way to go:

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/California-health-care-worker-vaccine-death-COVID-15902997.php
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Quote:

There are multiple local, state, and federal agencies actively investigating this case...
Yeah, likely we will never actually find out what the real cause of death was in this case.
The Big12Ag
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"Another Pfizer vaccine death" - I'm sorry, was this conclusively linked to being caused by the vaccine?

How many "vaccine deaths" do you have on your list now, is there a number?

Can we distinguish between "vaccine death" and "death after having been vaccinated recently"?

I think 80 million have gotten a shot, how many deaths linked to the vaccine itself vs random chance of death in the days after being vaccinated (which will be higher in nursing home facilities and among the elderly in general)?

Apparently there was an attempt to look at data, but I guess these things are open for questioning (they haven't investigated the deaths enough, they are trying to hide things for the greater good, etc) -
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210127/cdc-panel-no-safety-surprises-for-covid-vaccines
Charpie
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Even the wife says to get innoculated.

itsyourboypookie
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The Big12Ag said:

"Another Pfizer vaccine death" - I'm sorry, was this conclusively linked to being caused by the vaccine?

How many "vaccine deaths" do you have on your list now, is there a number?

Can we distinguish between "vaccine death" and "death after having been vaccinated recently"?

I think 80 million have gotten a shot, how many deaths linked to the vaccine itself vs random chance of death in the days after being vaccinated (which will be higher in nursing home facilities and among the elderly in general)?

Apparently there was an attempt to look at data, but I guess these things are open for questioning (they haven't investigated the deaths enough, they are trying to hide things for the greater good, etc) -
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210127/cdc-panel-no-safety-surprises-for-covid-vaccines


Healthy Hank Aaron.

Healthy healthcare worker.

Those are the only two that matter

Old Buffalo
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The Big12Ag said:

Can we distinguish between "vaccine death" and "death after having been vaccinated recently"?


Well, we don't distinguish between dying "with COVID" and dying "from COVID", so....
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
cc_ag92
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Healthy Hank Aaron died of natural causes. He had a history of prostate issues, hypertension, and osteoarthritis. He was also 86.
AggieFlyboy
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I recommend you don't drive your car this week...or next, either...might as well just sell it
2wealfth Man
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why structure an OP this way. Please take a look at the facts and statistics.
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itsyourboypookie said:

The Big12Ag said:

"Another Pfizer vaccine death" - I'm sorry, was this conclusively linked to being caused by the vaccine?

How many "vaccine deaths" do you have on your list now, is there a number?

Can we distinguish between "vaccine death" and "death after having been vaccinated recently"?

I think 80 million have gotten a shot, how many deaths linked to the vaccine itself vs random chance of death in the days after being vaccinated (which will be higher in nursing home facilities and among the elderly in general)?

Apparently there was an attempt to look at data, but I guess these things are open for questioning (they haven't investigated the deaths enough, they are trying to hide things for the greater good, etc) -
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210127/cdc-panel-no-safety-surprises-for-covid-vaccines


Healthy Hank Aaron.

Healthy healthcare worker.

Those are the only two that matter




Hank Aaron passed away 17 days after being vaccinated. And passed away peacefully in his sleep. I seriously doubt the vaccine had anything to do with his death. RIP Hank.
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itsyourboypookie said:

The Big12Ag said:

"Another Pfizer vaccine death" - I'm sorry, was this conclusively linked to being caused by the vaccine?

How many "vaccine deaths" do you have on your list now, is there a number?

Can we distinguish between "vaccine death" and "death after having been vaccinated recently"?

I think 80 million have gotten a shot, how many deaths linked to the vaccine itself vs random chance of death in the days after being vaccinated (which will be higher in nursing home facilities and among the elderly in general)?

Apparently there was an attempt to look at data, but I guess these things are open for questioning (they haven't investigated the deaths enough, they are trying to hide things for the greater good, etc) -
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210127/cdc-panel-no-safety-surprises-for-covid-vaccines


Healthy Hank Aaron.

Healthy healthcare worker.

Those are the only two that matter




Hank Aaron was an 86 year old with hypertension who died of a massive hemorrhagic stroke.
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Goose61 said:

Beginning to think that the Moderna vaccine will be the way to go:

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/California-health-care-worker-vaccine-death-COVID-15902997.php

Why?
One day at a time.
Goose83
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My original post was intended to point out there still appears to be more adverse reaction issues with the Pfizer vaccine than the Moderna vaccine - Nothing more, nothing less.

People need to keep the conspiracy stuff in F16.
Howdy 2010
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Goose61 said:

My original post was intended to point out there still appears to be more adverse reaction issues with the Pfizer vaccine than the Moderna vaccine - Nothing more, nothing less.

People need to keep the conspiracy stuff in F16.
OK, but where is the truth to cause your assumption?

The article you linked doesn't support your assumption.
plain_o_llama
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Just looking at statistics, determining whether the vaccine contributes to deaths will be difficult. For instance, there has been some concerns raised in Europe about vaccinating the elderly, particularly the frail.

Consider some numbers.....

There are approx 1,000,000 80 yr olds in the US. They have an approx life expectancy of 8 years.
So in 8 years 500,000 will die. For simplicity assume they die at a linear rate. How many die each week?

52 weeks/yr X 8 yrs = 416 weeks
500,000/416 = 1201 deaths/wk

So we expect about 1201 to be dying every week. Now randomly vaccinate 10%. How many of those would
you expect to die in the next month?

The point being we will hear about cases of people succumbing soon after being vaccinated. Over time the numbers may suggest whether anything is amiss. In the short term there is lots of noise.
88planoAg
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80 year olds have an 8 year life expectancy?
Keegan99
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Varies by demographics, but an 80 year old white woman in the US can expect to live a little more than 9 years, while an 80 year old white man can expect to live about 7 years.
plain_o_llama
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88planoAg said:

80 year olds have an 8 year life expectancy?
Some numbers
https://www.annuityadvantage.com/resources/life-expectancy-tables/


ETFan
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Old Buffalo said:

The Big12Ag said:

Can we distinguish between "vaccine death" and "death after having been vaccinated recently"?


Well, we don't distinguish between dying "with COVID" and dying "from COVID", so....
Because these instances aren't comparable and the "dying with/from COVID" argument is asinine.
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88planoAg said:

80 year olds have an 8 year life expectancy?
If you make it to 80 you have a real shot at making 90
My dad will turn 85 in a couple of weeks he will probably not make 88
but my mom just turned 84 She probably makes 90+ and Voila this sample of 2 hits the number pretty closely
pocketrockets06
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This little tidbit is why it was so misleading when people were commenting that most of the people being killed by COVID would die in the next 6 months anyways. People were effectively losing 5-10 years of life on average.
The Big12Ag
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pocketrockets06 said:

This little tidbit is why it was so misleading when people were commenting that most of the people being killed by COVID would die in the next 6 months anyways. People were effectively losing 5-10 years of life on average.
Not a lot of nuance in the conversations. I think that started as a comment on nursing homes but then people just ran with it as a general, all deaths type comment. The average nursing home resident does have a pretty short life expectancy but 6 months is still a bit of an exaggeration, even for that population.
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cc_ag92 said:

Healthy Hank Aaron died of natural causes. He had a history of prostate issues, hypertension, and osteoarthritis. He was also 86.


How many "healthy" people were counted as covid deaths?
cc_ag92
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I don't know. What I do know is that multiple people that I know who died from Covid actually died from Covid. This includes the healthy 47yo who died last week.
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