Question about the Johnson & Johnson Vaccine

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mrmill3218
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10:32a, 3/5/21
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So I just got the J&J vaccine this morning. I got to the front of the line and they informed me that I was getting the J&J. They said it's only 64% effective and asked me if I wanted to proceed. I said that I preferred one of the other ones and she said that I would have to loop back around and get in the other line (which would have taken an hour or more). So I got the J&J vaccine. I understand that it's only 64% effective in preventing Covid and 100% effective from serious illness or death.

However, I've never been concerned about serious illness or death for me. I'm in my 30s and in good health. My concern is that I've never wanted to spread it to anyone (grandparents, older parents, etc.). It's great that I probably won't get really sick or die, but I still have a 36% of contracting the virus and passing it on. That's kind of frustrating to me. I got the vaccine but I still have a decent chance of contracting and passing it on.

Is my line of thinking correct here? Being around my older parents who haven't had the vaccine yet still worries me.
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10:36a, 3/5/21
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If you look at graphing on the J&J it is 64% at the beginning but goes up significantly over time, to somewhere in the 90-95% range after s month or so.
In talking with sources connected to Meyer's family on Sunday, there was laughter about the persistence of the Texas pursuit.
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10:37a, 3/5/21
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And yes, you should be concerned, no matter which vaccine you get, about being around your parents until they get the vaccine.
In talking with sources connected to Meyer's family on Sunday, there was laughter about the persistence of the Texas pursuit.
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In reply to Aston94 • 10:41a, 3/5/21
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Aston94 said:
And yes, you should be concerned, no matter which vaccine you get, about being around your parents until they get the vaccine.
And then you'll still need to be concerned after that because of variants.
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In reply to AggieAuditor • 10:44a, 3/5/21
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AggieAuditor said:
Aston94 said:
And yes, you should be concerned, no matter which vaccine you get, about being around your parents until they get the vaccine.
And then you'll still need to be concerned after that because of variants.
That's a whole other discussion, I am trying to actually assist someone with a question. If he has been concerned this long about being around his parents then I would wait until they get the vaccine.

They have shown the vaccines to be successful so far against all variants.
In talking with sources connected to Meyer's family on Sunday, there was laughter about the persistence of the Texas pursuit.
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11:08a, 3/5/21
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Worth acknowledging that they are all extremely effective and are worth getting at the earliest opportunity. There's another 1 million doses coming to Texas next week and I expect HEB, CVS, Walmart and the County / City run sites to have a lot of new availability.
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11:10a, 3/5/21
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I don't think it's a flat line 36% chance to contract it and pass it on. Even if you contract it, you would be far less likely to be contagious than a non-vaccinated person contracting, just based off pure logic with the inoculate load you would be expelling. But I might be mistaken, just going off common sense for how viral loads work. Your body would accumulate less virus, fight if off quicker, kill it faster, etc.

Even if the virus can theoretically bypass and infect you with a minor case, you will still likely be far less contagious than if you didn't have the vaccine from what I understand

Also, the trials were run differently, in different areas, different timelines in the pandemic, and with difference variants circulating, so it's misleading to claim it's less effective.

To be safe, if you aren't comfortable, then just give it some time. But I think the odds of you passing it are far less likely than those percentages would make it seem.
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mrmill3218
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11:11a, 3/5/21
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Thank you all for the input. I will still be careful around older family till they all get the vaccine. My mom had covid already so I don't think she is in a rush. My dad is a bit stubborn with this stuff but hopefully he can get it soon.
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11:40a, 3/5/21
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Remember that the vaccine is supposed to simulate the natural immunity you get from having Covid and surviving.

I would say that you got the best vaccine option for your age and risk level because it is supposed to have less of a reaction than many had with the other two.

Once your vaccine has kicked in you should be safe to be around your mom since she has some immune protection already. You should recommend that your dad and other older family members get a vaccine too.
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12:40p, 3/5/21
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I am unclear about the severity of illness if Covid is contracted despite being vaccinated. Yes, I know the overall statistical likelihood of hospitalization or death drops to near zero after vaccination, but that is for the population as a whole.

My question is what is the likelihood of hospitalization or death for the longstanding at-risk groups like the elderly (e.g. my 94 year old Mother) and those with underlying conditions? Is it near zero after vaccination as for the general population, or are at-risk groups nonetheless still more likely to get badly ill because of their fragile overall condition?

Apologies if I'm the last person on the planet to understand this.
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1:57p, 3/5/21
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36% doesn't mean 36% chance of getting it.

Let's say they gave the vaccine and a placebo to 1,000 identical groups of people in identical geographies/occupations/races/etc. Let's say 100 people in the placebo group get Coronavirus and only 5 people from the vaccine group get the virus, that is calculated as a 95% effective vaccine. That means that the vaccine prevented 95 would-be people from getting the vaccine.

But as it has been said ad nauseum, the J&J vaccine was tested later than the other vaccines and in countries with immune-escaping variants, such as South Africa. So you can't really compare it apples to apples against the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines efficacy percentage.
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In reply to 74OA • 2:21p, 3/5/21
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74OA said:
I am unclear about the severity of illness if Covid is contracted despite being vaccinated. Yes, I know the overall statistical likelihood of hospitalization or death drops to near zero after vaccination, but that is for the population as a whole.

My question is what is the likelihood of hospitalization or death for the longstanding at-risk groups like the elderly (e.g. my 94 year old Mother) and those with underlying conditions? Is it near zero after vaccination as for the general population, or are at-risk groups nonetheless still more likely to get badly ill because of their fragile overall condition?

Apologies if I'm the last person on the planet to understand this.

When you get old and frail there are many things that can kill you, including a cold or Covid after a vaccine.

The flip side of that when they want to punish a prisoner, one method of punishment is to put them in isolation.

I would take the risk of being around her once the vaccine has fully kicked in.
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In reply to AggieAuditor • 4:43p, 3/5/21
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AggieAuditor said:
Aston94 said:
And yes, you should be concerned, no matter which vaccine you get, about being around your parents until they get the vaccine.
And then you'll still need to be concerned after that because of variants.
Ah hell, just shoot them and get it over with. Clearly they don't stand a chance.
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