Are we Still Learning from Israel?

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1:48p, 3/5/21
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Hey y'all. I welcome anyone who would know if we can learn anything from Israel. It looks like cases seem to be leveling off about three weeks ago off higher than I personally expected (I'm not a medical professional), but wondering if there's any other data out there that would explain the leveling cases. I'm wondering if there's something I'm not aware of.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/
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2:00p, 3/5/21
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Cases are leveling off but hospitalizations and deaths continue to plummet, especially in the vaccinated groups.

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2:41p, 3/5/21
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Yeah, scroll down and look how the death rate continues to drop. Really good news.
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In reply to hamean02 • 10:44p, 3/5/21
Israel took the vaccine quite seriously. They paid Pfizer a premium to extra doses early, their leadership didn't play around with the messaging on how important it was to take it, and they had a targetted distribution plan that went into action before any other country. I'm pretty sure they were putting doses into arms a week or two before it even got the US EUA. We started giving doses about 7-10 days after the EUA, and even then the rollout was a mess. So they have a solid 3-4 week jump start on us.

Now the big thing will be convincing people that the vaccine is safe, and hopefully the data shows that. But the last time I was on the politcs board a few weeks ago, I saw a few dozen posts cherry picking anecdotes to prove how the vaccine isn't safe and what not.
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10:21a, 3/6/21
From what Ben Shapiro has been saying, Israel is actively incentivizing people to get the shot. You get a "vaccine card" that lets you go back to a normal life. he also mentioned that for the younger crowd they were doing "Shot for a shot" program.

This is where our "leadership" has failed completely. What's the point of getting the shot if you still have to stay lockdown and wearing a mask. Had they been celebrating the shots and really playing up the return to normalcy, more people wold have gotten the shot here...but fear mongering seems to be the preferred option here and so people aren't getting shots.
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In reply to HotardAg07 • 11:55a, 3/6/21
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HotardAg07 said:
Cases are leveling off but hospitalizations and deaths continue to plummet, especially in the vaccinated groups.



I've always thought cases was a bad indicator due to the differences in testing quantity and protocols. You could cause a huge spike in cases by simply doing more testing.

I have been watching hospitalizations closely and they continue to plummet in the US. In Virginia we are down from a peak of 3,300 to a total of 1,100 hospitalized. In a state with a population of 8.8 million. Pretty sure we are approaching normal flu season numbers.
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In reply to AgLiving06 • 2:53p, 3/6/21
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While I agree, if this vaccine card idea existed here that prevented you from doing things, half the country would absolutely flip out.
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In reply to AgsMyDude • 4:15p, 3/6/21
Oh I agree with you, and I'd be one of them.

What I meant is finding the right incentives to motivate Americans to get signed up and using that.

What we have now is Biden saying a vaccine available for everyone by May, but no return to normalcy until 2022. We've got Fauci taking every position available and never committing to anything.

Why would people want to get a vaccine now if they won't get "normalcy for a year from now? If I believed them, I wouldn't have gotten the shot, but thankfully Abbott finally wised up and opened it up. So now knowing things are going to be open, I actually put effort into getting the vaccine and got my first dose today because I plan to return to my normal life this month, not a year from now.
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In reply to AgLiving06 • 7:38p, 3/6/21
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AgLiving06 said:

What we have now is Biden saying a vaccine available for everyone by May, but no return to normalcy until 2022. We've got Fauci taking every position available and never committing to anything.

Why would people want to get a vaccine now if they won't get "normalcy for a year from now? If I believed them, I wouldn't have gotten the shot,


Ah gotcha I misunderstood. I completely agree with what you have here. There has been no message of positivity for even being vaccinated. It's all negativity and don't so anything despite a 95% effective vaccine given to half of the 65+ population. It's really odd.

My prediction a couple months back was August '21 and everything is completely back to normal with covid out of the news cycle. I think we're ahead of that.
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In reply to AgLiving06 • 7:46p, 3/6/21
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AgLiving06 said:
Why would people want to get a vaccine now.


Because it completely eliminates the possibility that you're going to get seriously ill from Covid? Isn't that enough?
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In reply to AgsMyDude • 8:02p, 3/6/21
AgsMyDude said:
While I agree, if this vaccine card idea existed here that prevented you from doing things, half the country would absolutely flip out.


No doubt. What are we gonna do when a real crisis hits? I mean, this is real, but I'm talking national sovereignty type of real.
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In reply to AgsMyDude • 10:24p, 3/6/21
AgsMyDude said:
AgLiving06 said:

What we have now is Biden saying a vaccine available for everyone by May, but no return to normalcy until 2022. We've got Fauci taking every position available and never committing to anything.

Why would people want to get a vaccine now if they won't get "normalcy for a year from now? If I believed them, I wouldn't have gotten the shot,


Ah gotcha I misunderstood. I completely agree with what you have here. There has been no message of positivity for even being vaccinated. It's all negativity and don't so anything despite a 95% effective vaccine given to half of the 65+ population. It's really odd.

My prediction a couple months back was August '21 and everything is completely back to normal with covid out of the news cycle. I think we're ahead of that.


The PA teachers' union says they won't even go back after vaccines. It's just crazy. You expect negativity from anti-vaxxers. It's the negativity from the pro-vaxxers that is nuts. Part of it is because humans are terrible at risk assessment. Part of it is self-loathing. Part of it is wanting to draw a paycheck without going to work. Part of it is just ignorance about science. IDK. People are crazy.
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In reply to PJYoung • 4:37a, 3/7/21
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PJYoung said:
AgLiving06 said:
Why would people want to get a vaccine now.


Because it completely eliminates the possibility that you're going to get seriously ill from Covid? Isn't that enough?


Being not fat and old basically does the same thing. We need to incentivize those who aren't at risk.
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In reply to Teslag • 7:03a, 3/7/21
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Salute The Marines said:
PJYoung said:
AgLiving06 said:
Why would people want to get a vaccine now.


Because it completely eliminates the possibility that you're going to get seriously ill from Covid? Isn't that enough?


Being not fat and old basically does the same thing. We need to incentivize those who aren't at risk.


I think you might be confusing dying from Covid-19 with becoming seriously ill or having long term effects from Covid-19.
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In reply to PJYoung • 7:41a, 3/7/21
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Getting seriously ill is still extremely rare for people that aren't old and fat.

If we told people they could live their lives 100% normal you'd have people fighting each other for the vaccine.
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7:59a, 3/7/21
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Honestly speaking, it would take the repeal of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 to begin to clear up messaging in the US and convince people the vaccine is safe. We can look to leaders and doctors to craft any type of message they want, but until this is addressed, nothing is going to change.
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In reply to PJYoung • 8:37a, 3/7/21
PJYoung said:
AgLiving06 said:
Why would people want to get a vaccine now.


Because it completely eliminates the possibility that you're going to get seriously ill from Covid? Isn't that enough?

When has that ever been enough? How many people don't get flu shots and you can get seriously ill from that (lest we forget).
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In reply to 94chem • 8:58a, 3/7/21
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94chem said:
AgsMyDude said:
AgLiving06 said:

What we have now is Biden saying a vaccine available for everyone by May, but no return to normalcy until 2022. We've got Fauci taking every position available and never committing to anything.

Why would people want to get a vaccine now if they won't get "normalcy for a year from now? If I believed them, I wouldn't have gotten the shot,


Ah gotcha I misunderstood. I completely agree with what you have here. There has been no message of positivity for even being vaccinated. It's all negativity and don't so anything despite a 95% effective vaccine given to half of the 65+ population. It's really odd.

My prediction a couple months back was August '21 and everything is completely back to normal with covid out of the news cycle. I think we're ahead of that.


The PA teachers' union says they won't even go back after vaccines. It's just crazy. You expect negativity from anti-vaxxers. It's the negativity from the pro-vaxxers that is nuts. Part of it is because humans are terrible at risk assessment. Part of it is self-loathing. Part of it is wanting to draw a paycheck without going to work. Part of it is just ignorance about science. IDK. People are crazy.


Did they really? That's wild! When did they expect to go back, have they set any sort of marker or just "we'll play it by ear"?

Sucks for those kids. If every faculty member has the vaccine and they won't go back idunno what to say.
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In reply to AgLiving06 • 9:04a, 3/7/21
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AgLiving06 said:
PJYoung said:
AgLiving06 said:
Why would people want to get a vaccine now.


Because it completely eliminates the possibility that you're going to get seriously ill from Covid? Isn't that enough?

When has that ever been enough? How many people don't get flu shots and you can get seriously ill from that (lest we forget).

I don't get flu shots. It's not worth getting all those chemicals injected yearly for 30% protection from a virus that I either never get or it doesn't make me very sick when I do get it.

Covid shots are 95% effective against a virus that has put a bunch of people I know in the hospital.

These two viruses and vaccines are not comparable.
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In reply to Dad • 4:01p, 3/7/21
Dad said:
AgLiving06 said:
PJYoung said:
AgLiving06 said:
Why would people want to get a vaccine now.


Because it completely eliminates the possibility that you're going to get seriously ill from Covid? Isn't that enough?

When has that ever been enough? How many people don't get flu shots and you can get seriously ill from that (lest we forget).

I don't get flu shots. It's not worth getting all those chemicals injected yearly for 30% protection from a virus that I either never get or it doesn't make me very sick when I do get it.

Covid shots are 95% effective against a virus that has put a bunch of people I know in the hospital.

These two viruses and vaccines are not comparable.


I get more chemicals in a bite of Taco Bell than I get from a flu shot.
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In reply to Dad • 5:53p, 3/7/21
We are telling people you can:

1. Get a new shot that doesn't have any long term studies and may only last a year.

2. Risk getting a disease that young people have like a 99.7% or higher chance of surviving.

Either way this government wants you to remain locked down.

It's horrible messaging.
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In reply to AgLiving06 • 6:49p, 3/7/21
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99.7 is closer to the survival rate for the overall population. Young people face less risk
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In reply to GAC06 • 6:58p, 3/7/21
GAC06 said:
99.7 is closer to the survival rate for the overall population. Young people face less risk

Yeah..I didn't want to actually search for the current stat so I just hedged with the "99.7% or higher." It's probably 99.9%.

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