Obesity and general poor health is the only real I can land on that the US has done so poorly with this.

All countries have done similar styles of lockdowns, travel restrictions and mask mandates.

For the US to be so far and above on the death rates makes me think that the obesity/poor health thing is the reason. But the West does not do great with things that take a very long time to remedy - we want the vaccine and to move on with eating McDonald's 3x per week.

oldflyer said:

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Gumby said:

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US is #10 on Worldometers. Same with the UK. Is it policy? We've already established that NPIs don't make a difference. What does?

Obesity.

US and UK lead the world in obesity, and lead in covid deaths per capita. It's not policy.

You want policy that saves lives? Push healthy diet, exercise and sun exposure. We did the opposite and people died. That's policy failure. Not only that, but diet and exercise changes have long term benefits; masks and distancing don't.

90% deaths from Covid were in countries with high levels of obesity:

https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/diagnostics/time-to-watch-your-weight-obesity-can-increase-risk-of-covid-fatality/81347491

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I try to make this argument with all the Karen's in my life that want to mandate lockdowns. If they really care about health they should force diet and exercise mandates on everyone instead of lockdowns.

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You can't get people to wear a simple cloth mask because it "violates their rights." How are you going to impose diet and exercise mandates on everyone?

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I agree. My point is if you want to be a health safety authoritarian you should at least pick the largest health problem and develop some policies for that.

If we're giving out free stimulus money why not have a second package that you can only get if you meet certain health/lifestyle goals? Something like a tiered approach with a percentage payout based on a decrease in BMI percentage. I'm sure that would be labeled as discriminatory but it would be an easy way to incentivize people to lose weight..

A stimulus that disproportionately goes to people with money? I think I know how that would be received

GAC06 said:

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A stimulus that disproportionately goes to people with money? I think I know how that would be received

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Exactly.

NASAg03 said:

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US is #10 on Worldometers. Same with the UK. Is it policy? We've already established that NPIs don't make a difference. What does?

Obesity.

US and UK lead the world in obesity, and lead in covid deaths per capita. It's not policy.

You want policy that saves lives? Push healthy diet, exercise and sun exposure. We did the opposite and people died. That's policy failure. Not only that, but diet and exercise changes have long term benefits; masks and distancing don't.

90% deaths from Covid were in countries with high levels of obesity:

https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/diagnostics/time-to-watch-your-weight-obesity-can-increase-risk-of-covid-fatality/81347491

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Some say our cheap food policy is what is causing obesity in the US. So policy may be at fault, just not covid policy.

The policy certainly doesn't keep me from eating healthy and working out.

You also need a breakdown of age groups and use mortality percentages by age group instead of raw numbers. Yes, obesity matters a lot, but not nearly as much as advanced age. I doubt death rates are all that different across western countries.

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NASAg03 said:

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US is #10 on Worldometers. Same with the UK. Is it policy? We've already established that NPIs don't make a difference. What does?

Obesity.

US and UK lead the world in obesity, and lead in covid deaths per capita. It's not policy.

You want policy that saves lives? Push healthy diet, exercise and sun exposure. We did the opposite and people died. That's policy failure. Not only that, but diet and exercise changes have long term benefits; masks and distancing don't.

90% deaths from Covid were in countries with high levels of obesity:

https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/diagnostics/time-to-watch-your-weight-obesity-can-increase-risk-of-covid-fatality/81347491

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Some say our cheap food policy is what is causing obesity in the US. So policy may be at fault, just not covid policy.

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Let's give tax breaks and subsidies to the sugar and processed food companies, and then tax the processed foods as customers buy them. Agree policy is a big part of why the US is obese.

Reason 102534 why people don't trust the government or covid "health" rules.

NASAg03 said:

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isitjustme said:

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NASAg03 said:

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US is #10 on Worldometers. Same with the UK. Is it policy? We've already established that NPIs don't make a difference. What does?

Obesity.

US and UK lead the world in obesity, and lead in covid deaths per capita. It's not policy.

You want policy that saves lives? Push healthy diet, exercise and sun exposure. We did the opposite and people died. That's policy failure. Not only that, but diet and exercise changes have long term benefits; masks and distancing don't.

90% deaths from Covid were in countries with high levels of obesity:

https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/diagnostics/time-to-watch-your-weight-obesity-can-increase-risk-of-covid-fatality/81347491

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Some say our cheap food policy is what is causing obesity in the US. So policy may be at fault, just not covid policy.

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Let's give tax breaks and subsidies to the sugar and processed food companies, and then tax the processed foods as customers buy them. Agree policy is a big part of why the US is obese.

Reason 102534 why people don't trust the government or covid "health" rules.

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This thing went absolutely nuts in China. I mean full-on bonkers. Everybody got it. Many people got it multiple times. Of course the Chinese are still in denial. They once tested many millions of people at the same time and reported 0 cases. Zero. North Korea would be proud.

It just didn't kill people in China the way is has here. I'll bet China has had 10x as many cases as the US.

People getting covid multiple times is BS.

Even the hard to prove cases are one in millions.

False positives. An original infection not being completely fought off. Your immune response fighting off a 2nd infection at the time of testing, but not actually being sick. Etc. there are many reasons for multiple positive tests.

There are obviously some where the immune system doesn't function properly. But it's rare, and it's especially rare to have two full blown, hospitalization type cases.

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People getting covid multiple times is BS.

Even the hard to prove cases are one in millions.

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My source is so credible that I can't reveal it. If I told you, you would have no logical choice but to agree with me.

My main point was not that some people have gotten it twice, or whether it was 2 separate infections with symptoms (non-hospitalized, but loss of taste/smell/flu), but rather to point out that hundreds of millions of people in China likely had this.

If China had 10x more infections, but half the fatality rate, maybe 2 million people died. If most of them were elderly, it wouldn't be that hard for the CCP to hide it.

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False positives. An original infection not being completely fought off. Your immune response fighting off a 2nd infection at the time of testing, but not actually being sick. Etc. there are many reasons for multiple positive tests.

There are obviously some where the immune system doesn't function properly. But it's rare, and it's especially rare to have two full blown, hospitalization type cases.

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I didn't say anything about testing or hospitalization.

You say many, but that makes it hard to argue against. Are we talking a few thousand, out of maybe a billion worldwide cases, or however much we have had? Meaning 1 out of every thousand people get re-infected? Or 'many' as in 10% of people, which would mean millions upon millions of re-infections?

These things matter. Because many could mean 10%, which would be millions across the world, Or we could be talking about 20 or even 50 thousand re-infections, which would mean 0.5% or so of the population who have got it get it twice.

China has a billion people. Lets say it has run rampant, and 250,000,000 have had it(25%). 1 tenth of a percent get it multiple times. That's 250k re-infections.

That's "many", but dadhammer and my point are the same. It really isn't common, until you factor in millions upon millions getting it.

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beerad12man said:

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False positives. An original infection not being completely fought off. Your immune response fighting off a 2nd infection at the time of testing, but not actually being sick. Etc. there are many reasons for multiple positive tests.

There are obviously some where the immune system doesn't function properly. But it's rare, and it's especially rare to have two full blown, hospitalization type cases.

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I didn't say anything about testing or hospitalization.

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And I didn't say I was responding to you with that comment. I was piggy backing of dadhammers comment.

No clue about how many people have gotten it twice. But China quit trying a long time ago.

As said earlier, people getting COVID more than once is BS. I know a woman who claims to have gotten COVID early last year and said it was the sickest she had ever been (then told us she hadn't had the flu before)...her symptoms were near identical to the flu. Several months later, she ended up catching COVID and had all of the actual symptoms (loss of taste/smell, severe exhaustion, some flu-like symptoms, etc)....said it felt much different than the first time. She is now beyond paranoid of getting it a third time because she's been convinced that it's possible to get it more than once.

It's crazy to me how low the flu numbers have been since this has started, especially since we were told that we'd have one of the worst flu seasons in recent history in Winter 2019-2020. We'll probably never know how many asymptomatic people just had false positive COVID tests and how many positive COVID tests just had the flu...

100% agree with that regardless

oldflyer said:

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Gumby said:

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NASAg03 said:

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US is #10 on Worldometers. Same with the UK. Is it policy? We've already established that NPIs don't make a difference. What does?

Obesity.

US and UK lead the world in obesity, and lead in covid deaths per capita. It's not policy.

You want policy that saves lives? Push healthy diet, exercise and sun exposure. We did the opposite and people died. That's policy failure. Not only that, but diet and exercise changes have long term benefits; masks and distancing don't.

90% deaths from Covid were in countries with high levels of obesity:

https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/diagnostics/time-to-watch-your-weight-obesity-can-increase-risk-of-covid-fatality/81347491

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I try to make this argument with all the Karen's in my life that want to mandate lockdowns. If they really care about health they should force diet and exercise mandates on everyone instead of lockdowns.

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You can't get people to wear a simple cloth mask because it "violates their rights." How are you going to impose diet and exercise mandates on everyone?

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Stop subsidizing bills related obesity-linked medical problems and allow insurance carriers to discriminate on obesity like they do smoking.