CDC announces new guidelines for vaccinated people

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2:08p, 3/8/21
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Nothing earth shattering but today they confirmed that:

-Vaccinated individuals may gather together indoors without masks or distancing

-Vaccinated individuals do not need to quarantine or get tested after an exposure unless they show symptoms

The beginning of the end almost a year later
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2:22p, 3/8/21
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That, in fact, is earth shattering, because it goes against much of the messaging we have heard from the administration.
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2:24p, 3/8/21
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2:48p, 3/8/21
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It's about time - The vaccines are very effective and are good work by the people that developed them.

Here's a good article I read about it.

https://reason.com/2021/03/04/stop-saying-we-cant-go-back-to-normal-after-vaccines/

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The United States will have COVID-19 vaccine doses for every adult in America by late May, President Joe Biden announced Tuesday, moving the timeline up by a glorious two months. It may take some time after that landmark moment to get all those shots into arms, but availability by Memorial Day means we can justifiably hope for normalcy by Independence Day. The end of the pandemic is really, truly nigh.
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But you might not know it from the baleful tone of many recent public health recommendations. Even after vaccination, so much of the present messaging says, you must keep wearing a mask. Keep social distancing. Keep not seeing your loved ones. Keep living your strange and difficult half-life.
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The relevant thing to know about the three COVID-19 vaccines approved in the United States so far (Moderna, Pfizer, and Johnson & Johnson) is that they're all good. Spectacularly good. They're better than the best-case scenario we were hoping for a year ago, when Fauci was widely dubbed pollyannaish for suggesting we could have a vaccine within 12-18 months. These vaccines were developed quickly and tested rigorously. They cannot give you COVID-19, because none contain the virus that causes the disease. The two-shot Moderna and Pfizer regimens are more than 90 percent effective at preventing infection altogether, while the single-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine is 66 percent effective by the same measure. Most importantly, all three are 100 percent effective at preventing hospitalization or death from COVID-19.

That means if you get one of these vaccines, you will not die of COVID-19. And though it's true, as Fauci warned, that we can't say with equal certainty that vaccinated people can't transmit the disease, post-vaccine spread is quite unlikely. That's not how most vaccines work, and real-world data looks incredibly encouraging here. The vaccines are good.

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3:45p, 3/8/21
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Wonderful, I was waiting with bated breath as to whether or not I had permission from our overlords at the CDC to visit friends and family.
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3:52p, 3/8/21
Vaccinated people can now do what any sane person has been doing for 9 months. Way to go out on a limb on this one CDC!
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4:07p, 3/8/21
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Some folks need the CDC to tell them something before they will believe/accept it and that was the spirit of this post
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4:08p, 3/8/21
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When can I go to Europe?
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4:10p, 3/8/21
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Maybe. But I'll believe the CDC over random sports management majors who sometimes frequent this board
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In reply to Squadron7 • 4:22p, 3/8/21
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When can I go to Europe?

My parents are headed there this summer. Is there something they aren't aware of?
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In reply to AgLiving06 • 4:41p, 3/8/21
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AgLiving06 said:
Squadron7 said:
When can I go to Europe?

My parents are headed there this summer. Is there something they aren't aware of?


We have a trip planned in mid July. I had thought it would almost definitely get screwed but I'm starting to be more optimistic about it.
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In reply to AgLiving06 • 4:49p, 3/8/21
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AgLiving06 said:
Squadron7 said:
When can I go to Europe?

My parents are headed there this summer. Is there something they aren't aware of?

Well, I dunno. Do they have some weird quarantining rules upon arrival? I honestly don't know.

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5:16p, 3/8/21
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We're going to Costa Rica this weekend.

They require a health policy to cover trip delay in case you fail the covid test to return to the US. $26. No covid test required to enter.
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In reply to ORAggieFan • 8:12p, 3/8/21
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ORAggieFan said:
Vaccinated people can now do what any sane person has been doing for 9 months their entire lives. Way to go out on a limb on this one CDC!


FIFY.

Some of us never stopped being normal.
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In reply to ORAggieFan • 8:35p, 3/8/21
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ORAggieFan said:
Vaccinated people can now do what any sane person has been doing for 9 months. Way to go out on a limb on this one CDC!
Spoken like a rational youngster...

For us olds, the true target of CV19, being fully vaccinated is like getting your normal life back.
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In reply to BBQ4Me • 5:36a, 3/9/21
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Maybe. But I'll believe the CDC over random sports management majors who sometimes frequent this board


Exactly. I'm sure this new guidance is the result of a recent study or some other scientific evidence that just came to light. Oh, it's not? Everyone with half a brain knew this all along and the CDC just lied about it until now? Neat.
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In reply to GAC06 • 6:50a, 3/9/21
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BBQ4Me said:
Maybe. But I'll believe the CDC over random sports management majors who sometimes frequent this board


Exactly. I'm sure this new guidance is the result of a recent study or some other scientific evidence that just came to light. Oh, it's not? Everyone with half a brain knew this all along and the CDC just lied about it until now? Neat.


Wouldn't be surprised if some random Sports Management major was in charge of the CDC PR team. It is the government, so it is not our best people.
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8:12a, 3/9/21
Hopefully this give my mother and posters like 3rd Generation Ag peace of mind to venture out some.
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In reply to The Shank Ag • 9:13a, 3/9/21
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Hopefully this give my mother and posters like 3rd Generation Ag peace of mind to venture out some.

Agree. It's one thing to say "avoid crowded situations for extended periods of time and mask when in those situations". "Mask inside to potentially prevent spread. Though there hasn't been time to do a truly conclusive test to confirm masks absolutely work, it's worth wearing them to try to give us the most protection we can have while inside and in close contact". "Meet with family but again, wear a mask as it MIGHT protect your loved ones and you". "It's safe to not wear a mask outside unless witching 6 feet for more than 15 min as the virus is unlikely to spread outside". "There's now no need to wash and disinfect surfaces as we now know this virus is almost entirely spread via air". Give people common sense and truth. The danger of staying in is also real. Depression, anxiety and fear. Get out and just be smart. That should have been the message since last summer as the CDC has known this stuff since then.

I spent the whole day at Sea World in SA and had a blast with the family. But we all had to wear masks outside and it's almost all outside and even small children had to wear them. They had large outdoor ply areas closed off. They were outside and only small children play on them. Open them. It's safe. Stop disinfecting the roller coasters every 30min to an hour. Eliminate outdoor masking. There's no need. Actually use what the CDC has said. And if we are vaccinated fully, if you can show proof, you can do what you like. Common sense.
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In reply to Capitol Ag • 9:17a, 3/9/21
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Places like Seaworld won't implement changes based on vaccinations because it's too hard. Masks (especially outside) don't accomplish anything but along with disinfecting everything they are the lucky rabbits foot that allow them to "safely" open.
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9:39a, 3/9/21
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What about those that had already tested positive for covid months ago? Heck even a year ago now? Getting the vaccine is better by CDC standards than actually having gotten covid? What is the logic here?
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In reply to tysker • 9:56a, 3/9/21
Basically, The durability of your immune response seems to be tied to the size of your viral load. The vaccines simulate a tremendously high viral load and should provide more durable immunity and hopefully sterilizing immunity.
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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 11:28a, 3/9/21
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Duncan Idaho said:
Basically, The durability of your immune response seems to be tied to the size of your viral load. The vaccines simulate a tremendously high viral load and should provide more durable immunity and hopefully sterilizing immunity.
Plus they have been tested against the variants out there and are known to work against variants as well. Having the virus 12 months ago may not offer protection against variants.
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It is more likely than not to have a quality immune response to covid if you've had it compared to the average person who hasn't had it. Is it as effective as the vaccine? Maybe not. Is anything a 100% guarantee? no.

But it would still be very likely. That's just how the human body works. And natural infections to this point show good data overall that it's rare, especially when it comes to a severe case.
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In reply to GAC06 • 1:10p, 3/9/21
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GAC06 said:
Places like Seaworld won't implement changes based on vaccinations because it's too hard. Masks (especially outside) don't accomplish anything but along with disinfecting everything they are the lucky rabbits foot that allow them to "safely" open.

Agree. Sadly a lot of places that are catering to a large amount of the population will keep these rules in place over time to ensure they appear concerned and sensitive to the ones in the population still scared. As we have seen on this very forum, even those vaccinated are still not confident in their safety to go in public so I expect places to keep unnecessary policies long into the summer.

That's why I'd love to see the CDC and other experts really start to play up the vaccine. Doubt we see it though
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In reply to Capitol Ag • 1:47p, 3/9/21
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I actually think the CDC / media/ politicians will really start banging the vaccine drum soon (they've started to a bit over the past week or so.) They didn't want to create a huge demand for the vaccine with people mad they weren't prioritized, so they downplayed it a bit until supply could catch up and they were able to focus the limited supply on the vulnerable (+ hospital administrators, politicians, auto workers in Michigan, firefighters/police/EMS and finally teachers because you can't give something to fire fighters/EMS/police without also including teachers.)

Once the teachers are allowed to feel special for a week or two and get their vaccine in time for their summer vacation, it will be opened up to everyone and the "vaccine = return to normal" narrative will begin.

It's manipulation with a nice sounding name: Public Health
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In reply to LostInLA07 • 1:55p, 3/9/21
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LostInLA07 said:
I actually think the CDC / media/ politicians will really start banging the vaccine drum soon (they've started to a bit over the past week or so.) They didn't want to create a huge demand for the vaccine with people mad they weren't prioritized, so they downplayed it a bit until supply could catch up and they were able to focus the limited supply on the vulnerable (+ hospital administrators, politicians, auto workers in Michigan, firefighters/police/EMS and finally teachers because you can't give something to fire fighters/EMS/police without also including teachers.)

Once the teachers are allowed to feel special for a week or two and get their vaccine in time for their summer vacation, it will be opened up to everyone and the "vaccine = return to normal" narrative will begin.

It's manipulation with a nice sounding name: Public Health
I think you are right. I registered early on in about 4-5 places for an appointment. I've already got my vaccine (2nd last week) but just started getting texts and emails from 3 other places basically begging me to register for an appointment. There is no way to tell them I already got it.

I think in the next 2 - 4 weeks if you want it you will be able to get it pretty easy.

As part of operation warp speed, Trump had the government order 200 million Pfizer doses and 100 million each of Moderna and J&J before they were even approved. The vaccines have been ready. Latest issue I read about is correcting the glass vile shortages.

Remember how hard it was to get a test done last summer and then suddenly you could get one any time? That's about to happen with the vaccine.

It's actually pretty amazing what the people who worked on it did in a year.
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3:50p, 3/9/21
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Some people simply need to prepare themselves for the reality that COVID is over even though that upsets them

Very soon the vaccine will be available to all on demand

At that point it's over and it's back to personal responsibility and not government intrusion
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4:04p, 3/9/21
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All pandemics come to an end - it's the way it works. Period.

We are just speeding up the timeline with the vaccines.

Hard for some people to understand I guess
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In reply to Cepe • 5:09p, 3/9/21
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Cepe said:
All pandemics come to an end - it's the way it works. Period.

We are just speeding up the timeline with the vaccines.

Hard for some people to understand I guess

Locked down is as safe as a sizeable percentage of the population has ever felt, unfortunately. I guess they don't want to be the only ones, though.
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In reply to Maroon Dawn • 7:53a, 3/10/21
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Maroon Dawn said:
Some people simply need to prepare themselves for the reality that COVID is over even though that upsets them

Very soon the vaccine will be available to all on demand

At that point it's over and it's back to personal responsibility and not government intrusion


Please name one person who will be unhappy that COVID will be over (other than pharmaceutical executives who have made money)?
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In reply to BBQ4Me • 8:03a, 3/10/21
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BBQ4Me said:
Maroon Dawn said:
Some people simply need to prepare themselves for the reality that COVID is over even though that upsets them

Very soon the vaccine will be available to all on demand

At that point it's over and it's back to personal responsibility and not government intrusion


Please name one person who will be unhappy that COVID will be over (other than pharmaceutical executives who have made money)?


Not sure it's quite that black and white but there are definitely people who have gotten used to living in fear and are having a hard time accepting that there isn't going to be an obvious finish line. The mask fight in Texas is a pretty decent example.
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In reply to BBQ4Me • 8:16a, 3/10/21
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BBQ4Me said:
Maroon Dawn said:
Some people simply need to prepare themselves for the reality that COVID is over even though that upsets them

Very soon the vaccine will be available to all on demand

At that point it's over and it's back to personal responsibility and not government intrusion


Please name one person who will be unhappy that COVID will be over (other than pharmaceutical executives who have made money)?
I wouldn't necessarily say unhappy. But I do think this has become a part of some people's lives to the point where they will have a hard adjustment period. Sort of a cult or religion to some.

I have heard plenty of comments such as: "Masks have brought me closer to progressives than anything I have experienced before", or "We have to move towards a new normal, and can never go back to the way it was"

Meaning, they may not be unhappy it's over, but they will have a hard time letting go, and in some ways want to live this new normal. I'm fully convinced some want to wear masks forever, at the least during every flu season, and social distance forever, again, at least during every flu season. So in that sense, they may be unhappy many of us go back to our old normal and don't behave the way they want.
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In reply to AggieAuditor • 8:18a, 3/10/21
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Yeah, the mask thing is now becoming a clear political divide(it already was, but the war over it as we come out of this thing will just intensity IMHO). It's been a clear cut way to establish a dominance or submission over others at this point.

Remember, when the CDC did their study claiming they were effective at 0.5% rate, this was done with FAR LESS immunity than now, and zero vaccinations. So A) it was within statistical chance, meaning inconclusive, and other factors could have just as easily contributed to that slight difference, and B) that was the case months ago with much more immunity. Now, there's an easy argument that we are exponentially getting less and less likely to have massive outbreaks and overwhelm the hospitals due to immunity (Exponentially is a word many also used when we didn't have immunity, but now holds true the more and more that do get immune)
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8:22a, 3/10/21
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1) I just ask that people try to stay apolitical on this board and not make up some false narrative that people would be unhappy once COVID is gone or that people can get back to normality.

2) Trends look great, but COVID is not over. Not when the 7-day rolling average for deaths in the US is 1,773/day.
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