Why is no one talking about getting healthy?

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10:38a, 3/11/21
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I know no one makes money off of it but for the most part the majority of deaths and severe cases have come from people with preventable comorbidities. I have not heard of any "experts" say to get to a healthy body fat percentage, get outside for vitamin D, and exercise a few days a week. Overfat people have higher inflammatory markers and the inflammation storm seems to cause the severe cases of Covid, other than being elderly.

It seems common sense and a lot people had plenty of time to do this over the course of the past year. Not to mention the cost savings on our healthcare system for people getting healthier.
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10:42a, 3/11/21
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A lot of people make a lot of money off fat people.
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10:47a, 3/11/21
Doctors make a lot of money off of people who live unhealthy lifestyles. Why would they push for healthy living and exercise when they can just convince everyone to take a vaccine and make a massive profit?

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10:49a, 3/11/21
Some people do talk about it, but that doesn't generate revenue and makes people feel bad, so it's mostly ignored. Here's one good article:
https://thebulwark.com/covid-19s-big-fat-non-surprise

Just like anything else, we're going to take the complicated way out and depend on engineers and scientists to protect us from ourselves at great expense.
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10:56a, 3/11/21
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Let's see:

1. Death sells, so news likes to lead with death.
2. McDonald's, Burger King, Whataburger, etc. spend big dollars on advertising, so don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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10:57a, 3/11/21
I definitely feel like this is where we have screwed up the whole pandemic time. If we really cared about people surviving viruses then people's everyday health would've been number 1 topic every time the virus was discussed. It's not rocket science. If you are overall healthy you have a much greater chance of surviving these things.
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11:12a, 3/11/21
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The covid issue isnt really even with the population with BMIs of 30-32. Isn't the main driver those with BMIs of >38? Thats crazy big. Like never gonna come back down big.

And trying to keep people alive on ventilators is probably going to go down as one of the problematic medical decisions of this pandemic. From very much an outsiders perspective, it seems severely overwieght people have simply cannot take in enough oxygen to fight off the virus

sidenote: I've known several people that have received various bariatric surgeries, belly bands, etc and all of them have regained the weight.

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11:13a, 3/11/21
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It's almost as if none of you truly understand the American mentality
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11:22a, 3/11/21

Are y'all living in some alternate reality or something? Just about every doctor preaches the importance of exercise and a healthy diet and waistline. And they've been trying to convince people of this for decades. Not to mention there were plenty of very healthy and young nurses/doctors early on that died or were intubated on ventilators in the ICU because of their viral load exposure.

The obesity bullet has left the barrel. What y'all are talking about is trying to get it back in the barrel instead of just throwing up some body armor in front of the target real quick.


We are a nation that doesn't know how to cook at home anymore. We don't know how to make healthy choices at the grocery store, instead relying on what corporate restaurants tell us is healthy from their menu. How do you reverse that? Then get started on weight loss, exercise, etc. All in a year.
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In reply to P.U.T.U • 11:23a, 3/11/21
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P.U.T.U said:
I know no one makes money off of it but for the most part the majority of deaths and severe cases have come from people with preventable comorbidities. I have not heard of any "experts" say to get to a healthy body fat percentage, get outside for vitamin D, and exercise a few days a week. Overfat people have higher inflammatory markers and the inflammation storm seems to cause the severe cases of Covid, other than being elderly.

It seems common sense and a lot people had plenty of time to do this over the course of the past year. Not to mention the cost savings on our healthcare system for people getting healthier.
Why do you think no one is talking about this? 80% of my job every day is trying to get people to have healthier lifestyles. Anti-smoking ads are everywhere. Diet marketing is everywhere. Gym and home fitness commercials are everywhere. We've basically been saying the same things for the last 40 years with minor updates. If heart attacks, strokes, COPD, various cancers, chronic arthritis, diabetes, and shortened lifespan aren't good enough motivators then I don't think COVID is going to add much motivation
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In reply to bigtruckguy3500 • 11:29a, 3/11/21
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Are y'all living in some alternate reality or something? Just about every doctor preaches the importance of exercise and a healthy diet and waistline. And they've been trying to convince people of this for decades. Not to mention there were plenty of very healthy and young nurses/doctors early on that died or were intubated on ventilators in the ICU because of their viral load exposure.

The obesity bullet has left the barrel. What y'all are talking about is trying to get it back in the barrel instead of just throwing up some body armor in front of the target real quick.


We are a nation that doesn't know how to cook at home anymore. We don't know how to make healthy choices at the grocery store, instead relying on what corporate restaurants tell us is healthy from their menu. How do you reverse that? Then get started on weight loss, exercise, etc. All in a year.
"And there were plenty of very healthy and young nurses/doctors early on that died or were intubated." Do you have proof of this statement or are you just regurgitating the nonsense you've heard? 90% of COVID deaths have been in the world's most obese countries...why do you think a majority of those who have died have had multiple co-morbidities (with obesity being one of the most common ones).

"We don't know how to make healthy choices at the grocery store, instead relying on what corporate restaurants tell us is healthy from their menu." - If every doctor was truly preaching the importance of exercise and a healthy diet, like you said, then shouldn't people know how to make healthy choices at the grocery store? Doctors don't preach this anymore... maybe 20 years ago? Who knows. I have friends currently in Med school who are being taught to not discuss diet or weight with their patients out of fear of "hurting their feelings" or "fat shaming" them.

Obesity is a MAJOR problem in the country and it might be our BIGGEST problem (no pun intended). It's time that we really start preaching healthy lifestyles through diet and exercise instead of pushing masks and lockdowns. Do you honestly believe that someone who is stuck at home during a lockdown is going to be pushing themselves to work out, eat healthy and live healthier?
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In reply to bigtruckguy3500 • 11:32a, 3/11/21
bigtruckguy3500 said:

Are y'all living in some alternate reality or something? Just about every doctor preaches the importance of exercise and a healthy diet and waistline. And they've been trying to convince people of this for decades. Not to mention there were plenty of very healthy and young nurses/doctors early on that died or were intubated on ventilators in the ICU because of their viral load exposure.

The obesity bullet has left the barrel. What y'all are talking about is trying to get it back in the barrel instead of just throwing up some body armor in front of the target real quick.


We are a nation that doesn't know how to cook at home anymore. We don't know how to make healthy choices at the grocery store, instead relying on what corporate restaurants tell us is healthy from their menu. How do you reverse that? Then get started on weight loss, exercise, etc. All in a year.


I definitely think docs talk about it and preach it. I don't think the issue is with docs.

Honestly, it's a cultural issue in America today, which is influenced by many factors, one of which is convenience of restaurants, and twisted messages to society.

But, I think the point OP is getting at is why aren't the public officials like the CDC, Fauci, and state authorities not shouting it from the rooftops.

I think the answer is more political/cultural in nature and this board isn't really a place for that discussion.
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In reply to cjeffery20 • 11:34a, 3/11/21
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Healthy, sustainable weight loss happens at the rate of pounds per month. No one at a BMI of 40 was going to get healthy in time to save themselves from Covid.

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In reply to cjeffery20 • 11:44a, 3/11/21
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"And there were plenty of very healthy and young nurses/doctors early on that died or were intubated." Do you have proof of this statement or are you just regurgitating the nonsense you've heard? 90% of COVID deaths have been in the world's most obese countries...why do you think a majority of those who have died have had multiple co-morbidities (with obesity being one of the most common ones).
It happened, I'm not going to search the internet for every anecdotal story of it. Their total numbers aren't much, but it happened.
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"We don't know how to make healthy choices at the grocery store, instead relying on what corporate restaurants tell us is healthy from their menu." - If every doctor was truly preaching the importance of exercise and a healthy diet, like you said, then shouldn't people know how to make healthy choices at the grocery store? Doctors don't preach this anymore... maybe 20 years ago? Who knows. I have friends currently in Med school who are being taught to not discuss diet or weight with their patients out of fear of "hurting their feelings" or "fat shaming" them.
Is it a doctor's job to teach people how to cook? You're obviously not in medicine, otherwise you'd know that patients ALWAYS listen to their doctors (sarcasm). Plus, your friends currently in med school are either not paying attention in class, are delusional and projecting what they want to hear ("oh, big bad liberal medical school won't let me fat shame my snowflake patients", or are just flat out lying.
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Obesity is a MAJOR problem in the country and it might be our BIGGEST problem (no pun intended). It's time that we really start preaching healthy lifestyles through diet and exercise instead of pushing masks and lockdowns. Do you honestly believe that someone who is stuck at home during a lockdown is going to be pushing themselves to work out, eat healthy and live healthier?
Obesity is a big problem. But like Ramblin Ag said, the health dangers of heart disease, stroke, cancers, etc., have been present and real for a long time. If that hasn't motivated people to change, what makes you think COVID will?

Also, of course being stuck at home in a lock down isn't going to promote the healthiest of lifestyles, but that's a strawman argument here. Like I said, obesity is a bullet already down range. You're not getting it back in the barrel.
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In reply to amercer • 11:47a, 3/11/21
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Healthy, sustainable weight loss happens at the rate of pounds per month. No one at a BMI of 40 was going to get healthy in time to save themselves from Covid.


And if those people at a BMI of 40 started losing weight a year ago... do you think they'd be a lot healthier today for it? Healthy eating habits and lifestyles need to be pushed at a young age so that people don't get up to BMI's greater than 30 or 40.
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In reply to bigtruckguy3500 • 11:55a, 3/11/21
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bigtruckguy3500 said:
Are y'all living in some alternate reality or something? Just about every doctor preaches the importance of exercise and a healthy diet and waistline. And they've been trying to convince people of this for decades. Not to mention there were plenty of very healthy and young nurses/doctors early on that died or were intubated on ventilators in the ICU because of their viral load exposure.
They may talk a lot but what is the percentage of medical professionals are obese and/or generally unhealthy? Probably similar to the general population so it comes across as very much 'Do as I say, not as I do.'

Maybe its not the people, its the incentive structure for medicine general. I argue if we were to to tie medical professionals wages to patient outcomes we'd see different results.
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In reply to amercer • 11:56a, 3/11/21
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amercer said:
Healthy, sustainable weight loss happens at the rate of pounds per month. No one at a BMI of 40 was going to get healthy in time to save themselves from Covid.

Depends on the timeline. We are a year into this. A person with a BMI of 40 can most definitely get down to the 30-34 range in a year, which is shown to make a statistical difference. Or below that 38 mark in 2-3 months. For example, 6-0 300 is a BMI or 40.7. 6-0 248 is 33.6. That's a far healthier range. 1 pound per week. And at that high of a weight? 1 pound per week is actually a mild to moderate goal. Not even an extreme goal. It's conceivable to do 2 pounds per week for the first few months and then lower to 1 pound. So instead of 52, you could lose 60, or even 70+ pounds over a year and have it be sustainable.

So to an extent you are right. Were they noticeably better protected after just 6 weeks of weight loss? Probably not. But given time, most can increase their health noticeably, and being that we are a year into this, you could have made a significant difference among many. Even after just 3-6 months for many.
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In reply to Aston94 • 11:57a, 3/11/21
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Let's see:

1. Death sells, so news likes to lead with death.
2. McDonald's, Burger King, Whataburger, etc. spend big dollars on advertising, so don't bite the hand that feeds you.


How dare you put Burger King even in the same list as Whataburger, let alone ahead of it.

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11:59a, 3/11/21
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I was pointing out that everyone is talking about mask, hand sanitizer, drugs, and so forth but missed out on a big picture guideline from the CDC saying to put down the dang fork. Yes I know Covid would not have changed a lot of people's minds on their health and it is my wishful thinking that something like Covid would change it. The fact that a large majority of deaths come from our lifestyles and we keep getting more unhealthy is telling.

People in the medical field I do not envy you, more and more people are taking the easy route instead of the healthy one.
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In reply to amercer • 12:02p, 3/11/21
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amercer said:
Healthy, sustainable weight loss happens at the rate of pounds per month. No one at a BMI of 40 was going to get healthy in time to save themselves from Covid.

In a year you can lose a lot of weight, I know of a handful of people that lost over 50 pounds. That would sure help
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In reply to ramblin_ag02 • 12:03p, 3/11/21
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P.U.T.U said:
I know no one makes money off of it but for the most part the majority of deaths and severe cases have come from people with preventable comorbidities. I have not heard of any "experts" say to get to a healthy body fat percentage, get outside for vitamin D, and exercise a few days a week. Overfat people have higher inflammatory markers and the inflammation storm seems to cause the severe cases of Covid, other than being elderly.

It seems common sense and a lot people had plenty of time to do this over the course of the past year. Not to mention the cost savings on our healthcare system for people getting healthier.
Why do you think no one is talking about this? 80% of my job every day is trying to get people to have healthier lifestyles. Anti-smoking ads are everywhere. Diet marketing is everywhere. Gym and home fitness commercials are everywhere. We've basically been saying the same things for the last 40 years with minor updates. If heart attacks, strokes, COPD, various cancers, chronic arthritis, diabetes, and shortened lifespan aren't good enough motivators then I don't think COVID is going to add much motivation
If covid was promoted as affecting overweight the most along with the elderly, maybe it could have. But instead we were told the worst off patients had 'underlying conditions' and everyone was tols to stay at home. There was no direct marketing, just blanket one-size-fits-all statements. Like Lizzo says, the truth hurts and we've got a society of people enabling half-truths and people willing to be lied to.
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12:16p, 3/11/21
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Why? Because a lot more people are offended by being called fat than being told to mask up.
Please tell me there's a special place in Heaven for Aggie fans! It's like we are living some sort of penance on Earth.
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In reply to bigtruckguy3500 • 12:21p, 3/11/21
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Are y'all living in some alternate reality or something? Just about every doctor preaches the importance of exercise and a healthy diet and waistline. And they've been trying to convince people of this for decades. Not to mention there were plenty of very healthy and young nurses/doctors early on that died or were intubated on ventilators in the ICU because of their viral load exposure.

These were my thoughts exactly. If anything, COVID is another in an incredibly long-line of datapoints that should shake people into healthier habits.
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12:23p, 3/11/21
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1. Because people would rather ***** about having wear a mask.

2. Because no one has figured out a way to make losing weight a way to virtue signal which way you lean politically.

3. Because it's not as simple as "eat less, move more."

4. Because #3 is the extent of what most doctors know about weight loss.

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1. Because people would rather ***** about having wear a mask.

2. Because no one has figured out a way to make losing weight a way to virtue signal which way you lean politically.

3. Because it's not as simple as "eat less, move more."

4. Because #3 is the extent of what most doctors know about weight loss.



Yes it is
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In reply to Aggie95 • 12:31p, 3/11/21
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Aggie95 said:
Why? Because a lot more people are offended by being called fat than being told to mask up.
Masks hide your face. A major issue for many obese is the relative embarrassment and shame felt while in public. Masks may actually help in these cases.
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In reply to waitwhat? • 12:37p, 3/11/21
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waitwhat? said:
Marauder Blue 6 said:
1. Because people would rather ***** about having wear a mask.

2. Because no one has figured out a way to make losing weight a way to virtue signal which way you lean politically.

3. Because it's not as simple as "eat less, move more."

4. Because #3 is the extent of what most doctors know about weight loss.



Yes it is


All calories are not created equally. A calorie is simply a unit of measurement. What you eat is more infinitely important than how much. You also have to factor in sleep, stress, other medications, etc. It's more than just two factors that you pull like levers.
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waitwhat? said:
Marauder Blue 6 said:
1. Because people would rather ***** about having wear a mask.

2. Because no one has figured out a way to make losing weight a way to virtue signal which way you lean politically.

3. Because it's not as simple as "eat less, move more."

4. Because #3 is the extent of what most doctors know about weight loss.



Yes it is


All calories are not created equally. A calorie is simply a unit of measurement. What you eat is more infinitely important than how much. You also have to factor in sleep, stress, other medications, etc. It's more than just two factors that you pull like levers.


A calorie is more than just a unit of measurement, it's a unit of energy and can be converted to watts.

The other factors you mention make a marginal difference at best. "Eat less, move more" is a bad characterization of "consume less energy, use more energy." There are a lot of factors at play but they can all be successfully summed up as "eat less, move more."

I get the feeling you're a personal trainer or dietician or something. One of those professions that rely on convincing people that losing weight is more difficult than "eat less, move more."

It is that easy.

EDIT: in fact I think the actual definition of a calorie is the amount of energy required to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1 degree Celsius at 1 atmosphere in 1 hour.
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In reply to Marauder Blue 6 • 12:42p, 3/11/21
Eat less literally means eat less calories.... lol I mean theoretically, you could eat more and move even more and not gain weight. You just have to ensure that you eat in some sort of a caloric deficit every day to lose weight. It's honestly that simple.
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In reply to waitwhat? • 12:46p, 3/11/21
Looked it up, I was slightly wrong:


calorie
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noun
1.
the energy needed to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water through 1 C (now usually defined as 4.1868 joules).
2.
the energy needed to raise the temperature of 1 kilogram of water through 1 C, equal to one thousand small calories and often used to measure the energy value of foods.
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In reply to waitwhat? • 12:51p, 3/11/21
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The other factors you mention make a marginal difference at best. "Eat less, move more" is a bad characterization of "consume less energy, use more energy." There are a lot of factors at play but they can all be successfully summed up as "eat less, move more."
The easiest weight loss program in the world is:

Figure out your Basal Metabolic Rate. Eat less than your BMR for a bit.

Or . . .

Eat your BMR and exercise.

Pounds will drop.

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In reply to Marauder Blue 6 • 12:53p, 3/11/21
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Marauder Blue 6 said:
waitwhat? said:
Marauder Blue 6 said:
1. Because people would rather ***** about having wear a mask.

2. Because no one has figured out a way to make losing weight a way to virtue signal which way you lean politically.

3. Because it's not as simple as "eat less, move more."

4. Because #3 is the extent of what most doctors know about weight loss.



Yes it is


All calories are not created equally. A calorie is simply a unit of measurement. What you eat is more infinitely important than how much. You also have to factor in sleep, stress, other medications, etc. It's more than just two factors that you pull like levers.
While I agree with the sentiment, I'd bet the average order per person at Chik-Fil-A which is considered one the healthiest fast food chains, is still about 900-1000 calories. Most people don't appreciate how many calories they take in during a day. eta: Simply ingesting fewer calories can be an effective first step for many.
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In reply to bigtruckguy3500 • 1:01p, 3/11/21
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bigtruckguy3500 said:

Are y'all living in some alternate reality or something? Just about every doctor preaches the importance of exercise and a healthy diet and waistline. And they've been trying to convince people of this for decades. Not to mention there were plenty of very healthy and young nurses/doctors early on that died or were intubated on ventilators in the ICU because of their viral load exposure.

The obesity bullet has left the barrel. What y'all are talking about is trying to get it back in the barrel instead of just throwing up some body armor in front of the target real quick.


We are a nation that doesn't know how to cook at home anymore. We don't know how to make healthy choices at the grocery store, instead relying on what corporate restaurants tell us is healthy from their menu. How do you reverse that? Then get started on weight loss, exercise, etc. All in a year.
My "alternate reality" must consist of day after day the news sources never mention comorbidities and their impact on COVID outcomes.
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The other factors you mention make a marginal difference at best. "Eat less, move more" is a bad characterization of "consume less energy, use more energy." There are a lot of factors at play but they can all be successfully summed up as "eat less, move more."
The easiest weight loss program in the world is:

Figure out your Basal Metabolic Rate. Eat less than your BMR for a bit.

Or . . .

Eat your BMR and exercise.

Pounds will drop.



This doesn't sell diet plans. Which is why the misinformation called "starvation mode" exists.
" 'People that read with pictures think that it's simply about a mask' - Dana Loesch" - Ban Cow Gas

"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Dr. Ron Paul

Big Tech IS the empire of lies

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