Updated CDC Studay - Moderna and Pfizer Vaccines effective at preventing transmission

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More good news per the CDC. I know the impact of the vaccine on transmission had yet to be quantified. These numbers are really something.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-29/pfizer-moderna-vaccines-prevent-infections-in-real-world-study

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Covid-19 vaccines from Pfizer Inc. and Moderna Inc. effectively prevented coronavirus infections, not just illness, with substantial protection evident two weeks after the first dose, government researchers said.

Two doses of the vaccines provide as much as 90% protection against infection, according to data from U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study published Monday. Earlier clinical trials had established that the shots also prevent illness, hospitalizations, and deaths.

The study adds to evidence that new vaccines made with messenger RNA technology actually reduce the spread of the virus in real-world conditions. An earlier study in Israel found a single dose of the Pfizer vaccine reduced infections by as much as 85%.

The study is "tremendously encouraging" CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said in a briefing, and new findings "underscore the importance of getting both of the recommended doses of the vaccine in order to get the greatest level of protection against COVID-19, especially as our concerns about variants escalate."

The CDC studied a group of about 4,000 front-line workers, including health-care personnel, first responders, teachers and service workers from mid-December to mid-March as vaccines rolled out widely. These groups were among the first to be vaccinated, along with the vulnerable elderly, because of their risk of exposure to the virus.

Participants were tested for Covid weekly and surveyed for reports of symptoms. The researchers compared the frequency of Covid infections before and after vaccinations to estimate how effective the shots were at preventing SARS-CoV-2 spread, regardless of whether people felt sick or not.

Both the vaccines from Pfizer and partner BioNTech SE and Moderna require two doses spaced weeks apart. Two weeks after the first dose, the shots appeared to prevent 80% of infections; that rose to 90% two weeks after the second dose, when people were considered fully immunized.
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Windy City Ag said:


More good news per the CDC. I know the impact of the vaccine on transmission had yet to be quantified. These numbers are really something.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-29/pfizer-moderna-vaccines-prevent-infections-in-real-world-study

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Covid-19 vaccines from Pfizer Inc. and Moderna Inc. effectively prevented coronavirus infections, not just illness, with substantial protection evident two weeks after the first dose, government researchers said.

Two doses of the vaccines provide as much as 90% protection against infection, according to data from U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study published Monday. Earlier clinical trials had established that the shots also prevent illness, hospitalizations, and deaths.

The study adds to evidence that new vaccines made with messenger RNA technology actually reduce the spread of the virus in real-world conditions. An earlier study in Israel found a single dose of the Pfizer vaccine reduced infections by as much as 85%.

The study is "tremendously encouraging" CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said in a briefing, and new findings "underscore the importance of getting both of the recommended doses of the vaccine in order to get the greatest level of protection against COVID-19, especially as our concerns about variants escalate."

The CDC studied a group of about 4,000 front-line workers, including health-care personnel, first responders, teachers and service workers from mid-December to mid-March as vaccines rolled out widely. These groups were among the first to be vaccinated, along with the vulnerable elderly, because of their risk of exposure to the virus.

Participants were tested for Covid weekly and surveyed for reports of symptoms. The researchers compared the frequency of Covid infections before and after vaccinations to estimate how effective the shots were at preventing SARS-CoV-2 spread, regardless of whether people felt sick or not.

Both the vaccines from Pfizer and partner BioNTech SE and Moderna require two doses spaced weeks apart. Two weeks after the first dose, the shots appeared to prevent 80% of infections; that rose to 90% two weeks after the second dose, when people were considered fully immunized.

So if vaccinated, the evidence is again heavily pointing to being allowed to fully live life as one did before the pandemic. Great news!
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As long there aren't too many anti covid vaxers.


I would not think so we're just getting to the point it's opened up for everyone, not just the elderly or those with high risks
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In about a month everyone who wants a vaccine will have had the opportunity. At that point I don't care about unvaccinated people, many of whom already have been infected.
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jamey said:

As long there aren't too many anti covid vaxers.


I would not think so we're just getting to the point it's opened up for everyone, not just the elderly or those with high risks
I'm saying this currently vaccinated pose no risk to those not vaccinated. Previously Fauci etal were saying that they had no evidence yet that the vaccinated could not pass the virus to others. He stated that it was highly doubtful that the vaccinated could transmit the virus, but sense we had no evidence yet, to keep masking, social distancing and continue to stay in. This should at least start the ball rolling towards the eventual admittance by the CDC that those of us who are vaccinated can get bet to total normalcy.

As to the anti-vaxxers, I think those are or will be in the minority. But I have always said that the CDC and authorities position getting the vaccine as the direct way to complete normalcy. Hate masking, get vaccinated. Hate staying home, get vaccinated (in places outside of TX of course-we haven't stayed home since last March). Encourage the freedom that the vaccine gives us.
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When we reach the point in this country where any eligible human can walk into the pharmacy and get a shot(likely within 60 days), this country is long gone if any restrictions still remain at that point. It will only serve to confirm again that a lot of these mitigation measures were purely about control. When anyone can go and receive a vaccine that gives them this type of protection, they are living life solely at their own risk at that point and no one else should be forced to sacrifice anything for that.
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Capitol Ag said:

jamey said:

As long there aren't too many anti covid vaxers.


I would not think so we're just getting to the point it's opened up for everyone, not just the elderly or those with high risks
I'm saying this currently vaccinated pose no risk to those not vaccinated. Previously Fauci etal were saying that they had no evidence yet that the vaccinated could not pass the virus to others. He stated that it was highly doubtful that the vaccinated could transmit the virus, but sense we had no evidence yet, to keep masking, social distancing and continue to stay in. This should at least start the ball rolling towards the eventual admittance by the CDC that those of us who are vaccinated can get bet to total normalcy.

As to the anti-vaxxers, I think those are or will be in the minority. But I have always said that the CDC and authorities position getting the vaccine as the direct way to complete normalcy. Hate masking, get vaccinated. Hate staying home, get vaccinated (in places outside of TX of course-we haven't stayed home since last March). Encourage the freedom that the vaccine gives us.



I think Fauci is just sticking with what he has scientific evidence of and not projecting much. He and the scientific community did the same as I mentioned on another thread with a surge in the winter, saying we don't know basically until we know despite everything we know saying that was likely. That's why inthough postponing D1 football was the wrong move, do it on time or even early if anything. That hurt the Big ore than most when they postponed even further into the winter due to a winter virus.


The concern with how many don't get vaccinated is not only to do with herd immunity but also the potential for a variant that's vaccine resistant to spread
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jamey said:

Capitol Ag said:

jamey said:

As long there aren't too many anti covid vaxers.


I would not think so we're just getting to the point it's opened up for everyone, not just the elderly or those with high risks
I'm saying this currently vaccinated pose no risk to those not vaccinated. Previously Fauci etal were saying that they had no evidence yet that the vaccinated could not pass the virus to others. He stated that it was highly doubtful that the vaccinated could transmit the virus, but sense we had no evidence yet, to keep masking, social distancing and continue to stay in. This should at least start the ball rolling towards the eventual admittance by the CDC that those of us who are vaccinated can get bet to total normalcy.

As to the anti-vaxxers, I think those are or will be in the minority. But I have always said that the CDC and authorities position getting the vaccine as the direct way to complete normalcy. Hate masking, get vaccinated. Hate staying home, get vaccinated (in places outside of TX of course-we haven't stayed home since last March). Encourage the freedom that the vaccine gives us.



I think Fauci is just sticking with what he has scientific evidence of and not projecting much. He and the scientific community did the same as I mentioned on another thread with a surge in the winter, saying we don't know basically until we know despite everything we know saying that was likely. That's why inthough postponing D1 football was the wrong move, do it on time or even early if anything. That hurt the Big ore than most when they postponed even further into the winter due to a winter virus.


The concern with how many don't get vaccinated is not only to do with herd immunity but also the potential for a variant that's vaccine resistant to spread
The last time Fauci stuck with science is when he told us cloth masks wouldn't do anything and may cause additional spread due to the constant touching. That was over a year ago. He's been about manipulation since. From changing his mask policies with no data, proclaiming NY as doing it right while bashing FL to now saying we need to wear masks into 2022 and kids can't play without them.
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Fauci is terrible. Misleads the public rather than giving them as accurate of data as he can. He can easily say we can't guarantee you won't get or spread the virus with the vaccine, but here is what we think. It's 80% effective at preventing spread based on this study, and 95%...............

He needs 100% guarantees to move forward with anything. Here's a hint, many of us went away from needing 100% guarantees back in April of 2020. We just want the straight truth/information with the data we have at hand to make the best decisions for ourselves and our families moving forward. Nothing more, nothing less.

As for masks. They have long overstayed their welcome to me. The same folks that assured me it would be 2 weeks, or maybe a month, then maybe 2-3 months, keep moving the timeline back and are the same ones thinking keep them around even a few months after vaccines to be safe. or until we hit a certain percentage, then it will be 3-4 weeks after we hit that percentage to be safe. Then through flu season, or until this, or util that, etc. They'll never be comfortable with letting them go. Nope. I've about said to heck with them altogether. Wear them at work(as minimally as possible as I snack / drink coffee/water all throughout the day), wear them when truly required/enforced at a store. But in a month, when everyone has had their chance to get vaccinated, seasonality continues to move towards better results, and immunity continues to increase, and numbers dwindle down, I don't care what anyone else says or does. I'm taking mine off altogether. And eventually you will have to approach me and kick me out of your business. Ie, truly enforce it, and not passively put up a sign to CYA.

The variant thing is a lame argument now. It's so unlikely from everything I have read. The vaccines all cover the way this thing attacks through 16 months of variants. Now, with 8 billion people in this world, I'm supposed to be worried that the 10-20% of 331 million Americans, or better put, 0.6% of the population of the world of anti vaxxers in America are the cause of a variant getting through?

Worry wort all you want. Unless it just find a whole new way to attack people, it's an irrelevant concern to me. We aren't talking about 20% of the population of the world getting the vaccine, either. We are talking anywhere from 60% to upwards of 70% getting it and already 20-30, if not more, having had it naturally. in Fact, I bet America is one of the top 5 countries in the world by the end of 2021 in terms of vaccinated percentages. If a variant does bypass the vaccines, it almost assuredly won't happen in the US.
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Capitol Ag said:

Windy City Ag said:

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More good news per the CDC. I know the impact of the vaccine on transmission had yet to be quantified. These numbers are really something.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-29/pfizer-moderna-vaccines-prevent-infections-in-real-world-study

Quote:

Covid-19 vaccines from Pfizer Inc. and Moderna Inc. effectively prevented coronavirus infections, not just illness, with substantial protection evident two weeks after the first dose, government researchers said.

Two doses of the vaccines provide as much as 90% protection against infection, according to data from U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study published Monday. Earlier clinical trials had established that the shots also prevent illness, hospitalizations, and deaths.

The study adds to evidence that new vaccines made with messenger RNA technology actually reduce the spread of the virus in real-world conditions. An earlier study in Israel found a single dose of the Pfizer vaccine reduced infections by as much as 85%.

The study is "tremendously encouraging" CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said in a briefing, and new findings "underscore the importance of getting both of the recommended doses of the vaccine in order to get the greatest level of protection against COVID-19, especially as our concerns about variants escalate."

The CDC studied a group of about 4,000 front-line workers, including health-care personnel, first responders, teachers and service workers from mid-December to mid-March as vaccines rolled out widely. These groups were among the first to be vaccinated, along with the vulnerable elderly, because of their risk of exposure to the virus.

Participants were tested for Covid weekly and surveyed for reports of symptoms. The researchers compared the frequency of Covid infections before and after vaccinations to estimate how effective the shots were at preventing SARS-CoV-2 spread, regardless of whether people felt sick or not.

Both the vaccines from Pfizer and partner BioNTech SE and Moderna require two doses spaced weeks apart. Two weeks after the first dose, the shots appeared to prevent 80% of infections; that rose to 90% two weeks after the second dose, when people were considered fully immunized.

So if vaccinated, the evidence is again heavily pointing to being allowed to fully live life as one did before the pandemic. Great news!
Yes, time to finally quit working from home and get back to normalcy!
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What did you read about the B.1.351 variant. That one already reduces antibody response but could also lead to a vaccine that covers more variants

You're also ignoring the point of having another of the population vaccinated but enough not vaccinated to allow it to continue to spread. That's how you get a vaccine resistant variant. If you wanted to make one, have a several hundred million population do that
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Beyond general effectiveness, these two additional nuggets:

"Scientists have debated whether vaccinated people may still get asymptomatic infections and transmit the virus to others. The new study, by researchers at the C.D.C., suggested that since infections were so rare, transmission is likely rare, too."

"There also has been concern that variants may render the vaccines less effective. The study's results do not confirm that fear. Troubling variants were circulating during the time of the study from December 14, 2020 to March 13, 2021 yet the vaccines still provided powerful protection."

CDC
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I read it's covered by the vaccines, and well. 100% effective against it against severe cases/deaths, like all others. Sorry if you get a minor symptomatic case.

Again, I don't need 100% guarantees in life to move on, Jamey. Maybe you do.

I'm not ignoring anything. This is going to last forever. Thinking we are going to eradicate a respiratory virus like this is wishful thinking. If that's what some of you are looking for, good luck. Science raced out ahead of this in a matter of months. With the technology we have, even if a variant does eventually slip through, I have little to no doubt it will get ahead of that one, too. But until that happens, worrying about it is a waste of time
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And even if somehow a vaccine doesn't cover future variants, I would assume it's not because of anti vaxxers in America, considering that's probably about 0.6% of the world population. If you are worried about variants, worry about the other 7.7 billion people on planet earth before you worry about a handful here in America, who will be surrounded by the highest percentage of immunity in the world in the next few months(and probably already are).
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The same folks that assured me it would be 2 weeks, or maybe a month, then maybe 2-3 months, keep moving the timeline back and are the same ones thinking keep them around even a few months after vaccines to be safe. or until we hit a certain percentage, then it will be 3-4 weeks after we hit that percentage to be safe. Then through flu season, or until this, or util that, etc. They'll never be comfortable with letting them go.
A hell of a lot of truth here. One can honestly keep pushing the need for continued masking indefinitely. I fully expect certain people to honestly. Make no mistake, there are many who will preach vigilance until the virus is eradicated 100% and risk is 0. But as you said, 100% safety was never what this was or should have been about. It was hospitals only.
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beerad12man said:

And even if somehow a vaccine doesn't cover future variants, I would assume it's not because of anti vaxxers in America, considering that's probably about 0.6% of the world population. If you are worried about variants, worry about the other 7.7 billion people on planet earth before you worry about a handful here in America, who will be surrounded by the highest percentage of immunity in the world in the next few months(and probably already are).


Under the situation I'm suggesting the US that would apply evolutionary pressure.

The S African variants already reduces antibodies between Ike 6 and 46 fold depending on which vaccine.

Thinking there's no way efficacy can be jeopardized seems more wishful than reasonable
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jamey said:

beerad12man said:

And even if somehow a vaccine doesn't cover future variants, I would assume it's not because of anti vaxxers in America, considering that's probably about 0.6% of the world population. If you are worried about variants, worry about the other 7.7 billion people on planet earth before you worry about a handful here in America, who will be surrounded by the highest percentage of immunity in the world in the next few months(and probably already are).


Under the situation I'm suggesting the US that would apply evolutionary pressure.

The S African variants already reduces antibodies between Ike 6 and 46 fold depending on which vaccine.

Thinking there's no way efficacy can be jeopardized seems more wishful than reasonable
It takes years for a variant to be able to make a vaccine ineffective. Yes, it possible but very unlikely. To this point, that isn't a very likely scenario. That said, yes, I totally agree that the more we vaccinate quickly, the less likely that type of variant develops.
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Under normal circumstances yes, I would agree.

I'm talking giant laboratory circumstances though so what I'm suggesting makes it more likely than normal

How much more, I don't know
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You cannot spread that which you do not have.
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jamey said:

Under normal circumstances yes, I would agree.

I'm talking giant laboratory circumstances though so what I'm suggesting makes it more likely than normal

How much more, I don't know


So what exactly are you wanting to do? Wear mask forever? Lockdown forever? What are your clearly defined metrics for moving on?
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jamey said:

Under normal circumstances yes, I would agree.

I'm talking giant laboratory circumstances though so what I'm suggesting makes it more likely than normal

How much more,
I don't know
Ahem
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jamey said:

beerad12man said:

And even if somehow a vaccine doesn't cover future variants, I would assume it's not because of anti vaxxers in America, considering that's probably about 0.6% of the world population. If you are worried about variants, worry about the other 7.7 billion people on planet earth before you worry about a handful here in America, who will be surrounded by the highest percentage of immunity in the world in the next few months(and probably already are).


Under the situation I'm suggesting the US that would apply evolutionary pressure.

The S African variants already reduces antibodies between Ike 6 and 46 fold depending on which vaccine.

Thinking there's no way efficacy can be jeopardized seems more wishful than reasonable
proof? The vaccine helps built antibodies to the spike protein, do these variants have fewer spike proteins?
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So if vaccinated,the evidence is again heavily pointing to being allowed to fully live life as one did before the pandemic. Great news!


You're an adult who lives in a free* country. You don't need anyone to tell you you're allowed to live like you did 12 months ago with or without a shot.

*the fact that this statement is even made is the reason we are become less and less free every day. Stop looking to politicians for guidance on how to live.
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coolerguy12 said:

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So if vaccinated,the evidence is again heavily pointing to being allowed to fully live life as one did before the pandemic. Great news!


You're an adult who lives in a free* country. You don't need anyone to tell you you're allowed to live like you did 12 months ago with or without a shot.

*the fact that this statement is even made is the reason we are become less and less free every day. Stop looking to politicians for guidance on how to live.
Can't argue with you there. I'm speak more in terms of businesses and their policies. But I agree.
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Salute The Marines said:

jamey said:

Under normal circumstances yes, I would agree.

I'm talking giant laboratory circumstances though so what I'm suggesting makes it more likely than normal

How much more, I don't know


So what exactly are you wanting to do? Wear mask forever? Lockdown forever? What are your clearly defined metrics for moving on?
I would like to know this as well, please tell us.
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Aust Ag said:

Capitol Ag said:

Windy City Ag said:

This
More good news per the CDC. I know the impact of the vaccine on transmission had yet to be quantified. These numbers are really something.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-29/pfizer-moderna-vaccines-prevent-infections-in-real-world-study

Quote:

Covid-19 vaccines from Pfizer Inc. and Moderna Inc. effectively prevented coronavirus infections, not just illness, with substantial protection evident two weeks after the first dose, government researchers said.

Two doses of the vaccines provide as much as 90% protection against infection, according to data from U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study published Monday. Earlier clinical trials had established that the shots also prevent illness, hospitalizations, and deaths.

The study adds to evidence that new vaccines made with messenger RNA technology actually reduce the spread of the virus in real-world conditions. An earlier study in Israel found a single dose of the Pfizer vaccine reduced infections by as much as 85%.

The study is "tremendously encouraging" CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said in a briefing, and new findings "underscore the importance of getting both of the recommended doses of the vaccine in order to get the greatest level of protection against COVID-19, especially as our concerns about variants escalate."

The CDC studied a group of about 4,000 front-line workers, including health-care personnel, first responders, teachers and service workers from mid-December to mid-March as vaccines rolled out widely. These groups were among the first to be vaccinated, along with the vulnerable elderly, because of their risk of exposure to the virus.

Participants were tested for Covid weekly and surveyed for reports of symptoms. The researchers compared the frequency of Covid infections before and after vaccinations to estimate how effective the shots were at preventing SARS-CoV-2 spread, regardless of whether people felt sick or not.

Both the vaccines from Pfizer and partner BioNTech SE and Moderna require two doses spaced weeks apart. Two weeks after the first dose, the shots appeared to prevent 80% of infections; that rose to 90% two weeks after the second dose, when people were considered fully immunized.

So if vaccinated, the evidence is again heavily pointing to being allowed to fully live life as one did before the pandemic. Great news!
Yes, time to finally quit working from home and get back to normalcy!

I love working from home, but covid is not the reason I do.
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jamey said:

What did you read about the B.1.351 variant. That one already reduces antibody response but could also lead to a vaccine that covers more variants

You're also ignoring the point of having another of the population vaccinated but enough not vaccinated to allow it to continue to spread. That's how you get a vaccine resistant variant. If you wanted to make one, have a several hundred million population do that

Show us your credentials on why you are such the expert on all things Covid. You speak with such authority on the subject I'm very curious concerning your expertise. Please share.
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I'm no expert, couple science degrees, use to work in a lab but that was a lifetime ago.

I keep up with science to some degree out of interest and the stock market

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Rubble said:

Aust Ag said:

Capitol Ag said:

Windy City Ag said:

This
More good news per the CDC. I know the impact of the vaccine on transmission had yet to be quantified. These numbers are really something.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-29/pfizer-moderna-vaccines-prevent-infections-in-real-world-study

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Covid-19 vaccines from Pfizer Inc. and Moderna Inc. effectively prevented coronavirus infections, not just illness, with substantial protection evident two weeks after the first dose, government researchers said.

Two doses of the vaccines provide as much as 90% protection against infection, according to data from U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study published Monday. Earlier clinical trials had established that the shots also prevent illness, hospitalizations, and deaths.

The study adds to evidence that new vaccines made with messenger RNA technology actually reduce the spread of the virus in real-world conditions. An earlier study in Israel found a single dose of the Pfizer vaccine reduced infections by as much as 85%.

The study is "tremendously encouraging" CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said in a briefing, and new findings "underscore the importance of getting both of the recommended doses of the vaccine in order to get the greatest level of protection against COVID-19, especially as our concerns about variants escalate."

The CDC studied a group of about 4,000 front-line workers, including health-care personnel, first responders, teachers and service workers from mid-December to mid-March as vaccines rolled out widely. These groups were among the first to be vaccinated, along with the vulnerable elderly, because of their risk of exposure to the virus.

Participants were tested for Covid weekly and surveyed for reports of symptoms. The researchers compared the frequency of Covid infections before and after vaccinations to estimate how effective the shots were at preventing SARS-CoV-2 spread, regardless of whether people felt sick or not.

Both the vaccines from Pfizer and partner BioNTech SE and Moderna require two doses spaced weeks apart. Two weeks after the first dose, the shots appeared to prevent 80% of infections; that rose to 90% two weeks after the second dose, when people were considered fully immunized.

So if vaccinated, the evidence is again heavily pointing to being allowed to fully live life as one did before the pandemic. Great news!
Yes, time to finally quit working from home and get back to normalcy!

I love working from home, but covid is not the reason I do.
I get it, and I'm in outside sales and have been working from home for a year! It's got some perks, but not what I signed up for. Time to get out of the sloppy gym tshirt and shorts, shave, put on some nice clothes and get to real work. It's enough.
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Man I beg to work from home. But alas, I have one of the few employers in the world that, despite the fact that I could do 90% of my job from home pre-covid, still didn't have us work a single day from home the last year.
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I was working from home full time till sometime this past December and have worked half my days at home and half my days from work since. It doesn't really matter from the perspective of my work

For me, it's some gas money and adds about a 1.5 hours to my day when I go in for work.


That said there's something to keeping work and home separate that I like
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Yep, I drive ALOT for my job, used to put 2 full tanks a week. Now, I might put a full tank a month. So that's nice, the wear and tear, etc. But I was in and out of the car 10 times a day, moving. I miss that. Sitting on my arse all day is not where it's at.
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My company has already turned some jobs into full time work from home jobs.

I would imagine a lot of companies have at least looked into the possibility, if not as a perk for employees but to reduce rent/office space.

I remember thinking the internet would revitalize small town USA because they had the infrastructure and cheap housing. It never happened.

Perhaps this is a second chance, at least for small towns that are more appealing for any number of reasons
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