Question re: vaccine, still have the antibodies

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8:01a, 3/30/21
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I am scheduled to get the vaccine today and decided to take the antibody test again yesterday. Had Covid pretty bad in November and ended up in the hospital with pneumonia so I don't want to go through that again, but also concerned about getting the vaccine while I still have the antibodies.

Still testing positive for the antibodies. Doc said don't let that be a factor in whether to get the shot. Thoughts?
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8:07a, 3/30/21
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This is my opinion alone, as one who had a mild case in December. The reinfection rate appears to be very rare. I have antibodies and I am waiting to get a vaccine. I see no reason to get one at this time.
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8:09a, 3/30/21
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My doc just told me to not let this be a factor in my decision, and that the vaccine prepares your body to fight this. I said "I'm dumb but thought that's what antibodies are for". He said "you could have the antibodies forever".

Okay, very cool.

WTF is going on?

I'm waiting.
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8:15a, 3/30/21
I had a very mild case of Covid back in December. When an opportunity came fir me to get shot #1 a couple of weeks ago, I took it. Supposed to get #2 next week.

Other than my arm being sore, I had no issues at all from the first shot.

My son who never had any symptoms and did not ever test positive for Covid had the typical side effects (fatigue, joint pain, chills, nausea) after both shots.

I realize this is anecdotal, but I figured it's worth sharing anyway.
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In reply to TXTransplant • 8:18a, 3/30/21
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I find your posts thoughtful and informative. Can you explain the why of your decision a little bit? Did you decide to get vaccinated due to work, or for some other reason?
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8:24a, 3/30/21
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Co-Worker had Covid in November. First shot (Moderna) - nothing. Second shot - said she felt worse than when she had Covid, but only lasted 2 days.

Just anecdotal.
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In reply to 88planoAg • 8:54a, 3/30/21
88planoAg said:
I find your posts thoughtful and informative. Can you explain the why of your decision a little bit? Did you decide to get vaccinated due to work, or for some other reason?


So, I've been pretty open here about my position regarding the vaccine. I have absolutely no fears or concerns or hesitation.

With that said, since I should have antibodies, it probably wasn't urgent that I get the vaccine. But, I opted to do it out of...convenience? I guess that's the best word to use.

1) The vaccine became available to me. Not knowing how long that availability would last, I opted to go ahead and get poked.

2) Based on CDC "guidelines", my immunity "expired" after 90 days. From a practical standpoint, this means, if I'm exposed to someone who tests positive, I have to quarantine again (my employer is following CDC guidelines). I don't want to have to worry about this. My employer's guidelines haven't been officially updated to include people who are vaccinated, but I expect they will be soon.

3) I have family/friends/coworkers who are safer if I'm vaccinated.

4) I love to travel. I hate wearing a mask. In my mind, the safest way for me to get back to doing the things I love (without a mask) is to get vaccinated.

In full disclosure, I am not wearing a mask in any places where it's optional. I feel good about the fact that my personal choices/actions actually support that decision (rather than trying to argue anything else).

Edited to add: Thanks for the compliment. I appreciate it.
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In reply to Muy • 9:23a, 3/30/21
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I hope you choose to listen to your doctor. As rare as people here will scream it is, my daughters room mate had it in December and again 10 days ago in Dallas.
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Duncan Idaho
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9:35a, 3/30/21
I guess I just don't get your position. You dr is recommending you get. You have an appointment to get it.

So why wouldn't you get it? Is there a legitimate concern on your behalf or is it an emotional reason that you are against getting it?
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9:43a, 3/30/21
You're probably fine not getting. You're likely a little better off getting. Or you can wait a few weeks/months and get it. Really doesn't matter. Listening to your doctor won't hurt you....
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9:49a, 3/30/21
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no one more qualified than your personal doctor is going to tell you not to get the vaccine.
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In reply to Another Doug • 9:53a, 3/30/21
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Another Doug said:
no one more qualified than your personal doctor is going to tell you not to get the vaccine.
No harm with wanting to ask questions and do his due diligence if he has concerns. You shouldn't always blindly trust whatever your doctor tells you.

It's possible his doctor is wrong or just don't know.
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In reply to bay fan • 11:15a, 3/30/21
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bay fan said:
I hope you choose to listen to your doctor. As rare as people here will scream it is, my daughters room mate had it in December and again 10 days ago in Dallas.


No one here is screaming anything. Sorry facts outweigh your anecdote
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11:29a, 3/30/21
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not screaming anything and not questioning whether someone chooses to get or not to get the vaccine. It sure would be nice if the government were providing actual transparency on the vaccine so that we can ultimately make the choice that's best for us.
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11:41a, 3/30/21
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Your doctor is who I'd listen to. Get the vaccine. No doubt about it. From every source I have watched, listened to and kept up with, just b/c you have the antibodies doesn't mean you do not get the vaccine. And there is no danger with getting the vaccine if you already have the antibodies. The only time it is questioned is if you literally just got over Covid. Yet, I took my first shot less than a month after testing positive. No issues...
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In reply to Muy • 11:54a, 3/30/21
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It sure would be nice if the government were providing actual transparency on the vaccine so that we can ultimately make the choice that's best for us.
When you say the government is not being transparent, what is it that you are looking for and cannot find?
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In reply to Muy • 11:55a, 3/30/21
Muy said:
not screaming anything and not questioning whether someone chooses to get or not to get the vaccine. It sure would be nice if the government were providing actual transparency on the vaccine so that we can ultimately make the choice that's best for us.

Specifically, What transparency do you feel is missing about the vaccines?
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In reply to Muy • 12:00p, 3/30/21
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not screaming anything and not questioning whether someone chooses to get or not to get the vaccine. It sure would be nice if the government were providing actual transparency on the vaccine so that we can ultimately make the choice that's best for us.
The arguments I have read on "Had COVID" plus "Got The Vaccine" is that augments your antibodies to a degree that you could handle variants down the line whereas just relying on prior infection may not be as good of a natural defense.

Make of that what you will.
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In reply to Windy City Ag • 12:02p, 3/30/21
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Windy City Ag said:
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not screaming anything and not questioning whether someone chooses to get or not to get the vaccine. It sure would be nice if the government were providing actual transparency on the vaccine so that we can ultimately make the choice that's best for us.
The arguments I have read on "Had COVID" plus "Got The Vaccine" is that augments your antibodies to a degree that you could handle variants down the line whereas just relying on prior infection may not be as good of a natural defense.

Make of that what you will.


That's what I read too
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In reply to Muy • 12:07p, 3/30/21
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Muy said:
My doc just told me to not let this be a factor in my decision, and that the vaccine prepares your body to fight this. I said "I'm dumb but thought that's what antibodies are for". He said "you could have the antibodies forever".

Okay, very cool.

WTF is going on?

I'm waiting.
I think this is the right choice. FWIW I would have done the same thing. You got something better than the vaccine IMO. Your body learned how to fight a virus. Your immune system is better for it.
Hillary paid for warrant to spy on Trump.
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In reply to Muy • 12:08p, 3/30/21
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Some decent reads on the subject.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/why-you-should-get-a-covid-19-vaccine-even-if-youve-already-had-the-coronavirus

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To my friend's message, I instantly replied that she should absolutely get the vaccine. After getting vaccinated, my friend could be comfortable knowing that she has long-lasting, effective immunity and less of a chance of spreading the coronavirus to her friends and family.

But more good news has emerged since I sent that message. A new study showed that vaccination after infection produces six times more antibodies than a vaccine by itself. This isn't to say that anyone should try to get infected before they get vaccinated vaccine immunity alone is more than strong enough to provide protection and the dangers of a fight with COVID-19 far outweigh the benefits. But when my friend and the many others who were already infected get their vaccines, they'll be well protected.

Natural immunity from infection is simply far too unreliable in the face of such a devastating virus. Current COVID-19 vaccines offer incredibly strong, consistent protection to the great majority of people. So, for anyone eligible, even those who have already had a SARS-CoV-2 infection, COVID-19 vaccines offer immense benefits.



https://www.prevention.com/health/a34893510/do-you-need-vaccine-if-you-had-covid-19-already/

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Public health experts are still learning about COVID-19 immunity, including how protective it is after a natural infectionand how long that protection actually lasts once you have antibodies, says Iahn Gonsenhauser, M.D., chief quality and patient safety officer at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center.

How? Getting fully vaccinated "helps to boost your immune response if you are exposed to COVID-19 again," Dr. Watkins says. The immunity provided by the authorized vaccines is "strong," he says, adding, that if you had COVID-19, the antibodies produced from that infection may not last over time.


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In reply to Windy City Ag • 12:09p, 3/30/21
Windy City Ag said:
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not screaming anything and not questioning whether someone chooses to get or not to get the vaccine. It sure would be nice if the government were providing actual transparency on the vaccine so that we can ultimately make the choice that's best for us.
The arguments I have read on "Had COVID" plus "Got The Vaccine" is that augments your antibodies to a degree that you could handle variants down the line whereas just relying on prior infection may not be as good of a natural defense.

Make of that what you will.


Also it is similarin effect to a booster shot of the vaccine. And that it will most likely improve the durability of immunity in n those that recovered.
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12:25p, 3/30/21
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There's nothing wrong with 2nd and 3rd opinions. It's a smart thing to do, even if some would say your primary should know best.

That said, the only way I wouldn't get the vaccine if I just had covid is if we were still in the limited phase where people who needed it more couldn't get signed up. If it was taking the spot of an elderly who didn't have covid yet, I'd absolutely hold off. that doesn't appear to be the case anymore. So fire away
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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 12:25p, 3/30/21
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Duncan Idaho said:
Muy said:
not screaming anything and not questioning whether someone chooses to get or not to get the vaccine. It sure would be nice if the government were providing actual transparency on the vaccine so that we can ultimately make the choice that's best for us.

Specifically, What transparency do you feel is missing about the vaccines?


Easier to find data around immunity built up by vaccine, by demographic, length of immunity (expected), etc. I don't want to read 500 page medical papers, and aside from the media saying "get the vaccine", they don't say much else.
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In reply to Muy • 2:24p, 3/30/21
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Muy said:
not screaming anything and not questioning whether someone chooses to get or not to get the vaccine. It sure would be nice if the government were providing actual transparency on the vaccine so that we can ultimately make the choice that's best for us.
What transparency is missing?
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In reply to Muy • 2:33p, 3/30/21
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Muy said:
Duncan Idaho said:
Muy said:
not screaming anything and not questioning whether someone chooses to get or not to get the vaccine. It sure would be nice if the government were providing actual transparency on the vaccine so that we can ultimately make the choice that's best for us.

Specifically, What transparency do you feel is missing about the vaccines?


Easier to find data around immunity built up by vaccine, by demographic, length of immunity (expected), etc. I don't want to read 500 page medical papers, and aside from the media saying "get the vaccine", they don't say much else.
It doesn't seem like a lack of transparency regarding how long immunity post vaccine will last, more like simply it's an unknown just as it is for immunity after infection.
It's not just the media saying get the vaccine unless I misread it, it's your personal physician who is likely to have far more knowledge then any of us non doctors on the internet. Regardless, wish you good health.
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3:51p, 3/30/21
What is happening in Brazil right now is the perfect example of why you shouldn't just rely on your immune system without a vaccine. Manaus, Brazil was estimated to have reached 70% of the population with immunity some months ago, however cases have exploded there latelty due to the new variant. The data suggests the vaccine provides much more coverage from the new varriants than immunity from previous infection.
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In reply to Gordo14 • 4:03p, 3/30/21
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Brazil has 12.6 million confirmed cases in a 211 million population. I'm guessing the 70% prediction was bogus(And I'll be the first to admit, just like the fizzle out at 20-25% theory I hoped was true for so long) and it was more like 20-30%, similar to here in America with 30 million confirmed cases out of 331 million.

To be anywhere near 70% would mean Brazil tested at a rate of 1 out of every 12.4 confirmed cases, far lower than the estimations here, or anywhere for that matter. If we had one out of every 12.4, we'd be at 376 million. Ours is closer to 1 out of 2.5 to 4, depending on who you ask.

I don't know if this proves much of anything with regards to being better covered with the vaccine or the natural immunity. Not saying it isn't, just saying this doesn't prove it at all.
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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 4:40p, 3/30/21
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Duncan Idaho said:
Windy City Ag said:
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not screaming anything and not questioning whether someone chooses to get or not to get the vaccine. It sure would be nice if the government were providing actual transparency on the vaccine so that we can ultimately make the choice that's best for us.
The arguments I have read on "Had COVID" plus "Got The Vaccine" is that augments your antibodies to a degree that you could handle variants down the line whereas just relying on prior infection may not be as good of a natural defense.

Make of that what you will.


Also it is similarin effect to a booster shot of the vaccine. And that it will most likely improve the durability of immunity in n those that recovered.
I think that is best answer; you want the long lasting t-cell immunity that probably best comes with getting the vaccine. I figure we will have to get boosters somewhere down the line anyways as this thing may vaccine escape over time.
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7:46p, 3/30/21
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We are seeing high titers in donors who had COVID and then got the vaccine.

One donor I know had a titer of 2.0+ post infection
from July. After the first shot, their titer went to 21+.

For reference, the FDA classifies a high titer as 9.5+ based on the test we use. Very interesting data
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In reply to SoulSlaveAG2005 • 8:54p, 3/30/21
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Interesting information, thanks.
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In reply to SoulSlaveAG2005 • 9:06a, 3/31/21
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SoulSlaveAG2005 said:
We are seeing high titers in donors who had COVID and then got the vaccine.

One donor I know had a titer of 2.0+ post infection
from July. After the first shot, their titer went to 21+.

For reference, the FDA classifies a high titer as 9.5+ based on the test we use. Very interesting data
I'd be curious to know whether you're seeing higher titers from people who had COVID and also got the vaccine vs those who didn't have COVID but did get the vaccine?
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9:16a, 3/31/21
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I haven't had Covid, but I do know that my doctor is making the same recommendation to his patients that have had Covid.
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In reply to Muy • 9:30a, 3/31/21
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Muy said:
My doc just told me to not let this be a factor in my decision, and that the vaccine prepares your body to fight this. I said "I'm dumb but thought that's what antibodies are for". He said "you could have the antibodies forever".

Okay, very cool.

WTF is going on?

I'm waiting.
Here is the thing... infection leads to antibodies. Vaccine leads to antibodies. Vaccine may produce a stronger immune response (higher level of antibodies, which should last longer).

It doesn't make much sense to keep checking for antibodies and then hope to get the vaccine when you haters negative. Also, since you have antibodies, there isn't a huge rush to get the vaccine. But if you have your appointment, go do it.

At some point the Feds will stop paying for the vaccine. Better to get it while it is "free"
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