Third time is a charm?!

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Daily new infections in France have doubled since February to nearly 40,000. The number of Covid-19 patients in intensive care has breached 5,000, exceeding the peak hit during a six-week-long lockdown late last year.

Bed capacity in critical care units will be increased to 10,000, Macron said.

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Gordo14 said:

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NASAg03 said:

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PJYoung said:

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Really underscores how well we are doing here because of the aggressive rollout of the vaccines. the insanity of lockdowns because Florida has been open since September and saw no more significant changes in cases or deaths compared to other states.

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FIFY.

Amazing their citizens keep sitting back and taking it, as if there wasn't enough global proof that lockdowns and masks do nothing but increase non-covid deaths, damage children, more-significantly push the burden on the working class, and pollute the earth.

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It's almost like France and Florida are entirely different places with an entirely different set of variables that affect viral transmission. I went to Florida last week. Most businesses had mask mandates. Many places have lots of outdoor space. Public transportation is non existant in Florida. Many people live in single family homes. Florida has much more moderate and temperate weather. But sure everyone everywhere should just blindly look at Florida. What you think Florida actually did is more like what Brazil actually did. Feel free to brag about how brilliant their "do nothing" attitude has been. I guarantee you Macron wouldn't implement measures to mitigate COVID if he didn't have to (healthcare overload). Vaccinations and population density are key reasons why we aren't still in COVID hell like France is.

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Sure, FL isn't France (that's a compliment to FL, amiright!?!? ) but there's definitely something very wrong in France if they "have" to shut down, given what we all know about the virus. I personally do not think shut downs should have happened now and feel there should be other options available to any country's leadership than shutting down. And shutting schools down. I think there obviously are different dynamics going on in Europe vs the US. But consider that there are many here that still want a full shut down here until there is no longer a case of Covid reported. It's those very dynamics that are causing all the issues over there.

Macron vs Le Pen in 2022

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-france-macron/macrons-waterloo-french-president-comes-under-attack-for-lockdown-u-turn-idUSL8N2LU3UV

"Underlining Macron's vulnerability, a survey this month showed he would win a runoff against Le Pen by only a few points."

They'll get their chance to weigh in soon enough...if they effectively vote pro-lockdowns, theres no helping them...

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Gordo14 said:

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NASAg03 said:

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PJYoung said:

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Really underscores how well we are doing here because of the aggressive rollout of the vaccines. the insanity of lockdowns because Florida has been open since September and saw no more significant changes in cases or deaths compared to other states.

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FIFY.

Amazing their citizens keep sitting back and taking it, as if there wasn't enough global proof that lockdowns and masks do nothing but increase non-covid deaths, damage children, more-significantly push the burden on the working class, and pollute the earth.

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It's almost like France and Florida are entirely different places with an entirely different set of variables that affect viral transmission. I went to Florida last week. Most businesses had mask mandates. Many places have lots of outdoor space. Public transportation is non existant in Florida. Many people live in single family homes. Florida has much more moderate and temperate weather. But sure everyone everywhere should just blindly look at Florida. What you think Florida actually did is more like what Brazil actually did. Feel free to brag about how brilliant their "do nothing" attitude has been. I guarantee you Macron wouldn't implement measures to mitigate COVID if he didn't have to (healthcare overload). Vaccinations and population density are key reasons why we aren't still in COVID hell like France is.

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I spent some time in Orlando not too long ago and the place had masks everywhere... especially any place run by Disney but also the rest of the town.

I felt like the place I live in Texas is 100 times more free than Orlando. I don't know about the rest of Florida.

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At the Orange Bowl, they were super-vigilant about mask wearing, even though it is basically outside (open roof) and it was socially distanced seating. My buddy had let his slip down passed his nose and the users had him pull his up.

We saw lots of people wearing masks walking up and down the streets in Miami Beach, too.

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It'll work this time

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Exactly. Lockdowns haven't been shown to work anywhere, but that won't stop the scientifically/statistically/economically illiterate from trying them again.

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Lockdowns cause a great deal of harm. We have infant mortality, creeping poverty, starvation and joblessness. There have been gut-wrenching denials of service. Failures to diagnose or even treat diseases which are far more impactful than coronavirus. We are now dealing with a horrible spectre especially among the youth of psychological disorders, with the incidents of self-harm, suicide [and] suicidal ideation expanding to levels that have never been seen before.

One and a half billion children had their educations effectively terminated or at least severely disrupted and that is even true for the few children of the wealthy who were able to attend classes online. Perhaps the hardest thing for me to swallow about all of this, is that in Undergraduate epidemiology, it is a well-known finding that when you are confronted with a disease with sharp age graduation as you are with coronavirus Measures to generally suppress the spread of the disease have the effect, reliably, of shifting the disease burden onto the vulnerable who we should be protecting. They worsen, are expected to worsen and do worsen coronavirus mortality.

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The one thing we know they empirically do is harm the young/drive up suicide rates, but you do you, France.

Or maybe these measures do help.
https://news.umich.edu/strict-public-health-measures-during-holidays-likely-saved-lives-in-michigan-u-m-researchers-say/

BBQ4Me said:

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Or maybe these measures do help.
https://news.umich.edu/strict-public-health-measures-during-holidays-likely-saved-lives-in-michigan-u-m-researchers-say/

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These lockdowns just delay case surges. See Michigan today:



Hopefully their old/vulnerable population is getting vaccinated.

Michigan is doing poorly right now, but it can be argued that it's due to a loosening of mitigation efforts. Many of the cases are in a younger population, who don't seem to be taking precautions

TexasAggie008 said:

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There is no longer a lecture that can be given about #socialdistancing for grandma, or a guilt trip about how all of us have to do our part to make sure hospitals aren't overwhelmed by (primarily) 1a and 1b patients.

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I wish that were the case. Bay Area sports networks (I use a vpn to watch giants games after bailing from SF last fall and moving to Idaho, thank god) are still showing the same commercials from a year ago about how you're a horrible person if you don't care about this because (showing video of old guy dying in hospital bed) YOU kill old people if you don't care. Yeah, it's still being shoved into the faces of the most compliant populations, and they are still going right along with it as if it's March of last year and nothings changed.

SF is in literally the same fear state as when I left, if not worse, because they have been told that everyone outside of California is evil and stupid and putting their lives at risk for daring to reopen. And a lot of that is by the media (sfchron.com is an embarrassment when it comes to this), not just the politicians, who are worshipped and followed unquestionably. I dread having to go back to get the rest of my stuff this month. My neighbors will be so incredibly pissed I will have guys in the building helping me move.

WoMD said:

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TexasAggie008 said:

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There is no longer a lecture that can be given about #socialdistancing for grandma, or a guilt trip about how all of us have to do our part to make sure hospitals aren't overwhelmed by (primarily) 1a and 1b patients.

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I wish that were the case. Bay Area sports networks (I use a vpn to watch giants games after bailing from SF last fall and moving to Idaho, thank god) are still showing the same commercials from a year ago about how you're a horrible person if you don't care about this because (showing video of old guy dying in hospital bed) YOU kill old people if you don't care. Yeah, it's still being shoved into the faces of the most compliant populations, and they are still going right along with it as if it's March of last year and nothings changed.

SF is in literally the same fear state as when I left, if not worse, because they have been told that everyone outside of California is evil and stupid and putting their lives at risk for daring to reopen. And a lot of that is by the media (sfchron.com is an embarrassment when it comes to this), not just the politicians, who are worshipped and followed unquestionably. I dread having to go back to get the rest of my stuff this month. My neighbors will be so incredibly pissed I will have guys in the building helping me move.

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It's insane, isn't it? A year of information into this, and some still haven't changed their narrative from a year ago.

I still see some very good friends and even family in other areas ofthe country that still have "Stay home, it could save lives" on their facebook profile pictures. Maybe they just haven't removed but if after a year, you don't understand how foolish this thought process is, and how the entire world can't just stay home for 13 months putting life on hold, I can't help you.

Texans really do think differently. At least those in my inner circle.