Lasting protection looking more and more likely

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2:21p, 4/26/21
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https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.21.440862v1.full

Tcell immunity, which most of us have long known about and suspected would be long lasting, keeps getting confirmed as more and more likely.

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In reply to beerad12man • 2:31p, 4/26/21
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But, what about the science?
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In reply to buffalo chip • 2:39p, 4/26/21
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buffalo chip said:
But, what about the science?

It's slow.
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4:04p, 4/26/21
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The official narrative is that people will likely need a booster shot after a year.

[url] https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/04/15/dr-fauci-when-we-will-need-booster-shots-for-covid-vaccine-timeline.html[/url]
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4:11p, 4/26/21
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"supported by the Chan-Zuckerberg Initiative."
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In reply to coolerguy12 • 4:38p, 4/26/21
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"May" and "a possibility" are different than "likely".

I am not "pro-Fauci" but let's not twist his words either.
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4:48p, 4/26/21
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From the last paragraph of the Discussion section of the paper:

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These data point to the immunological benefit of two vaccine doses in SARS-CoV-2 nave subjects and highlight the coordination between different arms of the adaptive immune response following mRNA vaccination. In concert with robust humoral immunity, the preferential induction of Th1, Tfh, and central memory-like T cells indicates that the vaccine-elicited immune response is specifically focused on the key hallmarks of long-term antiviral immunity that are likely to confer lasting protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection.
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5:09p, 4/26/21
If they want more people to get vaccinated, they need to promote THIS rather than the current narratives about variants and the need to continue to wear masks and social distance.

Our bureaucrats need some serious training in PR and marketing. You want those who are hesitant to get the vaccine to get it? Then promote this info extensively.
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7:41p, 4/26/21
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If effective "PR and marketing" is required for the average citizen to agree to take the vaccine, then the disease is not that serious.
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In reply to End Of Message • 10:35p, 4/26/21
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If effective "PR and marketing" is required for the average citizen to agree to take the vaccine, then the disease is not that serious.


I don't know. There's so much irrational fear about vaccines now-a-days that it's almost necessary for all future vaccines. It's unbelievable how many people became anti-vax over the MMR vaccine based on a paper that the author admitted was falsified. Further, it's unbelievable how it's grown despite the author admitting the findings were false.

Unless the disease is killing a lot of children or young adults, I think all future vaccines are going to require competent PR and marketing messages.
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In reply to Beat40 • 10:59p, 4/26/21
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I would argue that there is so much irrational fear about Covid that many people are just not interested in taking a vaccine for something they've already defeated and/or aren't worried about it for personal reasons.

If I had barely made it through Covid, you bet your ass I'd be in line for the vaccine. Fortunately, that wasn't the case... our whole family made it out just fine and we're not worried about reinfection.

We're not anti-vaccination... we've all received vaccines and I'm probably the only one that doesn't get the flu shot "regularly".

None of us see the need for this vaccine given our exposure and successful conquest of Covid. If the data starts indicating widespread reinfection rates and/or worse symptoms/complications the second time around, we'd probably put more thought into it.

Just thought you and maybe some others on this board needed a little reassurance that not every healthy individual that refuses the vaccine (and in our case - has had Covid) is some sort anti-vaxxer. And we're certainly not the only family I know taking this exact approach.

But do what you and your family thinks is best. Take the vaccine if you want - don't take it if you don't want to. This is a personal decision and I have zero problems with either decision.
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In reply to ttha_aggie_09 • 1:16a, 4/27/21
ttha_aggie_09 said:
I would argue that there is so much irrational fear about Covid that many people are just not interested in taking a vaccine for something they've already defeated and/or aren't worried about it for personal reasons.

If I had barely made it through Covid, you bet your ass I'd be in line for the vaccine. Fortunately, that wasn't the case... our whole family made it out just fine and we're not worried about reinfection.

We're not anti-vaccination... we've all received vaccines and I'm probably the only one that doesn't get the flu shot "regularly".

None of us see the need for this vaccine given our exposure and successful conquest of Covid. If the data starts indicating widespread reinfection rates and/or worse symptoms/complications the second time around, we'd probably put more thought into it.

Just thought you and maybe some others on this board needed a little reassurance that not every healthy individual that refuses the vaccine (and in our case - has had Covid) is some sort anti-vaxxer. And we're certainly not the only family I know taking this exact approach.

But do what you and your family thinks is best. Take the vaccine if you want - don't take it if you don't want to. This is a personal decision and I have zero problems with either decision.


So just want to clarify, because I didn't in my original post - I don't think not taking the covid vaccine is anti-vax. I understand reasons for not taking it an even agree with many of them. I've made my decisions based on some in my family I regularly spend time with and I think it's great you've done the same. Absolutely no judgement here.

I was commenting on the rise of actual anti-vax sentiment that is truly out there based on falsified data and that just because some see the need for PR or marketing to be better doesn't mean the disease in question some time in the future wouldn't have the possibility of being more serious.

I have not and will not push a vaccine on anyone. It was more of a comment on a future situation that I would have been better off not commenting.
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In reply to Beat40 • 8:20a, 4/27/21
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Thanks for clarifying!
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In reply to ttha_aggie_09 • 11:55a, 4/27/21
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ttha_aggie_09 said:
I would argue that there is so much irrational fear about Covid that many people are just not interested in taking a vaccine for something they've already defeated and/or aren't worried about it for personal reasons.

If I had barely made it through Covid, you bet your ass I'd be in line for the vaccine. Fortunately, that wasn't the case... our whole family made it out just fine and we're not worried about reinfection.

We're not anti-vaccination... we've all received vaccines and I'm probably the only one that doesn't get the flu shot "regularly".

None of us see the need for this vaccine given our exposure and successful conquest of Covid. If the data starts indicating widespread reinfection rates and/or worse symptoms/complications the second time around, we'd probably put more thought into it.

Just thought you and maybe some others on this board needed a little reassurance that not every healthy individual that refuses the vaccine (and in our case - has had Covid) is some sort anti-vaxxer. And we're certainly not the only family I know taking this exact approach.

But do what you and your family thinks is best. Take the vaccine if you want - don't take it if you don't want to. This is a personal decision and I have zero problems with either decision.
This is exactly where myself and my family stand.
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In reply to ttha_aggie_09 • 2:41p, 5/9/21
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ttha_aggie_09 said:
I would argue that there is so much irrational fear about Covid that many people are just not interested in taking a vaccine for something they've already defeated and/or aren't worried about it for personal reasons.

If I had barely made it through Covid, you bet your ass I'd be in line for the vaccine. Fortunately, that wasn't the case... our whole family made it out just fine and we're not worried about reinfection.

We're not anti-vaccination... we've all received vaccines and I'm probably the only one that doesn't get the flu shot "regularly".

None of us see the need for this vaccine given our exposure and successful conquest of Covid. If the data starts indicating widespread reinfection rates and/or worse symptoms/complications the second time around, we'd probably put more thought into it.

Just thought you and maybe some others on this board needed a little reassurance that not every healthy individual that refuses the vaccine (and in our case - has had Covid) is some sort anti-vaxxer. And we're certainly not the only family I know taking this exact approach.

But do what you and your family thinks is best. Take the vaccine if you want - don't take it if you don't want to. This is a personal decision and I have zero problems with either decision.
I have yet to see a scientific argument that someone who survived a significant case of COVID would benefit from the vaccine.

Here is how I understand this works:

1) The vaccines cause your body to create a spike protein that mimic COVID
2) Your immune system learns how to attack the spike protein
3) Your T-cells remember the shape of the spike protein. Any introduction of the spike protein from a future viral infection results in an immune response to kill the disease.
4) Congrats, you are likely immune.

vs.

1) You get infected with COVID. It uses the spike protein to attack your cells.
2) Your immune system learns how to attack the spike protein
3) Your T-cells remember the shape of the spike protein. Any introduction of the spike protein from a future viral infection results in an immune response to kill the disease.
4) Congrats, you are likely immune.

I fought off the disease. Until someone can provide a detailed scientific study that shows how the vaccine provides more protection than getting the disease, with scientific data and peer review, I'm not going to take it.
It takes a special kind of brainwashed useful idiot to politically defend government fraud, waste, and abuse.
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3:33p, 5/9/21
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Studies are okay I guess, but I'm going to wait to see what the teachers unions have to say about T-cell mediated immunity before making a decision.
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9:38a, 5/10/21
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Shouldn't this also mean that people who had it likely have long term immunity, without a vaccine?
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In reply to Bluecat_Aggie94 • 9:44a, 5/10/21
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Yes, many I've been following think that as well. This isn't like the flu, which has multiple different types of strains. This is essentially one type of coronavirus, with minor mutations that may be about 0.3% different than the original virus. The human body has beat all of these types of viruses over time, likely fighting them off in the future, and making them weaker and weaker even if you do get infected again. I have no idea why we tried to turn covid into some respiratory disease unlike any other causing unnecessary anxiety among the public with worst case scenarios, rather than use basic principles from the past.
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9:52a, 5/10/21
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And we have beaten those far worse respiratory viruses without the help of the vaccine. We were going to beat covid with or without a vaccine, too. Only with was much, much quicker. We may have already beaten it even if we stopped vaccinating the US now, at least in terms of severe outbreaks.
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It seems like the primary purpose of the vaccines was to address the overwhelming of hospitals with critical care patients.

Once we achieve that primary objective, it's fine to posit all sorts of secondary reasons for getting vaccinated and those are certainly legitimate, but the primary purpose was always to stop the overwhelming of medical resources. From this point forward we should consider extra precautions for the most vulnerable people and those who have not had access to the vaccines. We should also continue to offer the vaccines to anyone who wants them but other than that we should be back to normalcy. Period.

With our vaccination rates and natural immunity and the seasonal downswing that is likely starting masks outside should be GONE and masks indoors should be for those who are not vaccinated or who are particularly vulnerable. Everyone else should be back to normal.

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In reply to FTACo88-FDT24dad • 1:51p, 5/10/21
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Goalposts moved from hospital capacity a long time ago. Now we care about eradication and vaccinating children, while Fauci is now talking about wearing masks every flu season in perpetuity.
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In reply to GAC06 • 1:53p, 5/10/21
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And yet so many still go along with it, and lash out at you for questioning when this ends.

But XULR's post. This is what it SHOULD be. If we aren't overwhelming our healthcare system, we should be back to 100% normal. Which means the freedom of choice for how any individual moves forward to handle their own health. This is America, and people have forgotten that. For better or worse, freedom comes at a cost, and is of high priority for many of us here.



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In reply to FTACo88-FDT24dad • 2:11p, 5/10/21
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XUSCR said:
It seems like the primary purpose of the vaccines was to address the overwhelming of hospitals with critical care patients.

Once we achieve that primary objective, it's fine to posit all sorts of secondary reasons for getting vaccinated and those are certainly legitimate, but the primary purpose was always to stop the overwhelming of medical resources. From this point forward we should consider extra precautions for the most vulnerable people and those who have not had access to the vaccines. We should also continue to offer the vaccines to anyone who wants them but other than that we should be back to normalcy. Period.

With our vaccination rates and natural immunity and the seasonal downswing that is likely starting masks outside should be GONE and masks indoors should be for those who are not vaccinated or who are particularly vulnerable that want to wear a mask and still believe they are effective. Everyone else should be back to normal.

FIFY
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In reply to Aston94 • 2:59p, 5/10/21
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"May" and "a possibility" are different than "likely".

I am not "pro-Fauci" but let's not twist his words either.


Ironic here. OP didn't say it was looking likely. He said it was looking more likely. You twisted his words!
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In reply to fat girlfriend • 6:59p, 5/10/21
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No, the irony is you are correcting me when I wasn't referencing that post but the response by coolerguy.

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7:23p, 5/10/21
Ah...mea culpa.
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In reply to ttha_aggie_09 • 8:48p, 5/10/21
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Yep. That's more accurate.

Thanks.
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In reply to FTACo88-FDT24dad • 8:53p, 5/10/21
XUSCR said:
It seems like the primary purpose of the vaccines was to address the overwhelming of hospitals with critical care patients.

Once we achieve that primary objective, it's fine to posit all sorts of secondary reasons for getting vaccinated and those are certainly legitimate, but the primary purpose was always to stop the overwhelming of medical resources. From this point forward we should consider extra precautions for the most vulnerable people and those who have not had access to the vaccines. We should also continue to offer the vaccines to anyone who wants them but other than that we should be back to normalcy. Period.

With our vaccination rates and natural immunity and the seasonal downswing that is likely starting masks outside should be GONE and masks indoors should be for those who are not vaccinated or who are particularly vulnerable. Everyone else should be back to normal.



The thing I hate the most is that I don't know masks even work. The people saying that masks work are also the ones saying you might be able to get back to normal in 3055, and that we need to wear masks during fall and winter from now on out, I can't trust anything they say.

I'm sure masks offer some sort of laboratory benefit, but the benefit if any in the real world is infinitesimal and absolutely outweighed by the psychological damage done to society at large.
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