Pandemic mitigation response and mental health

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7:15p, 5/21/21
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I am wondering if any of the medical professionals would be willing to weigh in on what role mental health concerns for all people have played and/or should have played in guiding the pandemic response and medical guidance on mitigation?

I haven't heard or read much covering this. I consider myself fairly mentally tough, but the crazy of the last year has been a grind.
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10:20p, 5/21/21
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The fallout will be terrible, especially amongst the (already) socially awkward school aged youth.

Unfortunately, the prideful medical pros will never admit that their worthless mitigation strategies of masks and lockdowns played any significant role in elevating the negative outcomes beyond normal.

They will turn to woke ideology and blame disparate economic outcomes and things like white privileged or economic privilege.
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10:36p, 5/21/21
In DFW you cannot find a child therapist that is taking new patients because they are all overloaded. That tells you all you need to know
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In reply to Bonfire1996 • 7:35a, 5/22/21
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The fallout will be terrible, especially amongst the (already) socially awkward school aged youth.

Unfortunately, the prideful medical pros will never admit that their worthless mitigation strategies of masks and lockdowns played any significant role in elevating the negative outcomes beyond normal.

They will turn to woke ideology and blame disparate economic outcomes and things like white privileged or economic privilege.


*And their wives/wannabe husbands


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In reply to Enrico Pallazzo • 8:25a, 5/22/21
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Fore Left! said:
In DFW you cannot find a child therapist that is taking new patients because they are all overloaded. That tells you all you need to know


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In reply to Enrico Pallazzo • 9:53a, 5/22/21
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Fore Left! said:
In DFW you cannot find a child therapist that is taking new patients because they are all overloaded. That tells you all you need to know
I am not really sure that's new in the last year.
Kids have been struggling with pressure and painful family situations for many years. It hasn't been easy to find therapists for a decade plus.
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In reply to bay fan • 10:01a, 5/22/21
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It's also not true. I just searched for in network therapists for children ages 6-13 within 20 miles from Plano. I found 6 accepting new patients with BCBS. That doesn't sound like a lot if you don't have historical context. Many therapists don't accept insurance. It has been a challenge for years to find therapists or psychiatrists who are accepting new patients who accept insurance.
I am not challenging the idea that this last year has been difficult mentally and emotionally. The need for therapists may have increased. But it does no one any good to think that therapy is impossible to access. It's difficult, but this isn't new.
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In reply to cc_ag92 • 10:26a, 5/22/21
Insurance pays so poorly many therapists have moved out of network. This has been the case for a while now. My office is right by a bunch of therapists and none of them are in network.
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In reply to cc_ag92 • 10:38a, 5/22/21
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I also think while people talk about the down side Covid has had on youths (which I don't question), it's not right to ignore the up side it had on many families.
Parents reconnected with their kids, sat at the dinner table and talked, played games, went on hikes and did many things they never had time to do otherwise. Truthfully, when my kids were young, between my work and their sports we rarely just had time to just hang out and decompress.

Personally, I spent long chunks of time with my adult children in my chosen bubble I never would have had otherwise. I think the impact it will have on my kids when they have their own will also be positive.

Additionally, many families and consequently kids will benefit going forward with parents who can now work from home and be more present. I'm going to guess that for every child affected negatively, there was one affected positively by more family time.
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In reply to bay fan • 11:07a, 5/22/21
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I'm afraid the 1:1 ratio of positive to negative effects is overly optimistic. We all live in our bubble and for the most part on here we are talking about reasonably well functioning, high SES families. By in large those families and their kids will probably be fine.

But for those at risk anyway this has been a devastating experience, especially for single parent households or those without the means to shepherd their kids academically.
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In reply to bay fan • 11:27a, 5/22/21
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bay fan said:
I also think while people talk about the down side Covid has had on youths (which I don't question), it's not right to ignore the up side it had on many families.
Parents reconnected with their kids, sat at the dinner table and talked, played games, went on hikes and did many things they never had time to do otherwise. Truthfully, when my kids were young, between my work and their sports we rarely just had time to just hang out and decompress.

Personally, I spent long chunks of time with my adult children in my chosen bubble I never would have had otherwise. I think the impact it will have on my kids when they have their own will also be positive.

Additionally, many families and consequently kids will benefit going forward with parents who can now work from home and be more present. I'm going to guess that for every child affected negatively, there was one affected positively by more family time.
That's one way to spit-wax a turd.

To deny that there is a downside to essentially teaching our children to fear anyone outside of their household as a potential contagion vector and forcing them to wear masks for a disease that doesnt harm them at all just for political points...wow.


"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light."
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
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In reply to 88planoAg • 11:55a, 5/22/21
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88planoAg said:
I'm afraid the 1:1 ratio of positive to negative effects is overly optimistic. We all live in our bubble and for the most part on here we are talking about reasonably well functioning, high SES families. By in large those families and their kids will probably be fine.

But for those at risk anyway this has been a devastating experience, especially for single parent households or those without the means to shepherd their kids academically.
I agree with that.the vulnerable suffered far more then those whose jobs simply moved home. I have adjusted to many hurdles in life but I can't imagine trying to teach my kids and succeed at work while having no safety net. I do not mean to make light of that.
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In reply to BadMoonRisin • 12:09p, 5/22/21
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Respect does not equate to fear no matter how many time's you try to color it that way.
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In reply to bay fan • 2:24p, 5/22/21
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Arguing that you didn't make decisions out of fear makes about as much sense as you claiming lockdowns were good for families. Just laughably absurd.
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In reply to bay fan • 6:34p, 5/22/21
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bay fan said:
Respect does not equate to fear no matter how many time's you try to color it that way.
I respectfully disagree. Forcing school aged children to wear a mask for 14 months, given the ample data set that we have and have had for a long time, is not "respect". It's madness and enablement of delusion, irrational fear, and panic.

The entire "if it saves one life" trope would work if the average age of mortality for this disease was lower than 78. It's not. We have irreparably damaged millions of children for nothing.

Show me in the data where something like this is justified and where the benefit of not knowing due to "fog of war" early on outweighs the damage that children have been unduly burdened with for more than a year.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
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In reply to BadMoonRisin • 10:45p, 5/22/21
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Seeing mask on adults at the grocery store makes me embarrassed for them. Seeing masks on babies and toddlers makes me really sad at what their parents' stupidity and fear has done to them.
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In reply to Ol_Ag_02 • 12:51a, 5/23/21
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Seeing mask on adults at the grocery store makes me embarrassed for them. Seeing masks on babies and toddlers makes me really sad at what their parents' stupidity and fear has done to them.

Some of us wear masks in stores when the proprietor of said establishment asks its customers to. I guess coming from the military I'm used to following directions and behaving like a good guest even if I personally hate wearing them and find the need pointless. I'll assume people that come into your home, do as YOU say or they can GTFO?
Make Mental Asylums Great Again!
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In reply to St Hedwig Aggie • 6:26a, 5/23/21
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No - we need more bold people right now - whether or not you choose to vaccinate - to go in public places without masks to remove this fear from society...not more people blindly taking orders from someone they don't know.
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In reply to St Hedwig Aggie • 12:55p, 5/23/21
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West Point Aggie said:
Ol_Ag_02 said:
Seeing mask on adults at the grocery store makes me embarrassed for them. Seeing masks on babies and toddlers makes me really sad at what their parents' stupidity and fear has done to them.

Some of us wear masks in stores when the proprietor of said establishment asks its customers to. I guess coming from the military I'm used to following directions and behaving like a good guest even if I personally hate wearing them and find the need pointless. I'll assume people that come into your home, do as YOU say or they can GTFO?


This ain't the military. And I've always said I would put on a mask if asked by the store which has only happened one time this entire waste of a year. I said no thanks, I'll shop Amazon and left.

But hey sheep gonna sheep.
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6:49p, 5/23/21
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Never in the history of any functioning society have we put the well-being of the elderly over the well-being of our youth, until now. It's why I'm so happy that states like Texas allowed our kids to go to school and still participate in sports/extracurriculars all year while still doing our best to protect the vulnerable.

I can't imagine being a kid living in a state like California and having an entire year stripped away from me. Obviously there are always going to be rare exceptions, but this virus was never dangerous enough in that age demographic to warrant the blanket policies many states implemented
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In reply to St Hedwig Aggie • 7:45p, 5/23/21
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Since you brought up your military service and how it shaped you, I was wondering when you attended West Point and what was your MOS?

W11F3G here!
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In reply to St Hedwig Aggie • 8:02p, 5/23/21
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West Point Aggie said:
Ol_Ag_02 said:
Seeing mask on adults at the grocery store makes me embarrassed for them. Seeing masks on babies and toddlers makes me really sad at what their parents' stupidity and fear has done to them.

Some of us wear masks in stores when the proprietor of said establishment asks its customers to. I guess coming from the military I'm used to following directions and behaving like a good guest even if I personally hate wearing them and find the need pointless. I'll assume people that come into your home, do as YOU say or they can GTFO?


You do of course realize that in Texas businesses were forced to implement mask mandates or face a $1000/day fine. Prior to that most places requested masks or recommended them but didn't require it. So it was impossible to tell which business actually wanted it and which ones went along to get along.

In my experience Chipotle was the only place I walked out of multiple stores because they wouldn't serve me without a mask. A few times at HEB, Home Depot, Walmart, Lowe's, and Target I was asked if I wanted a mask and politely said no. That was the end of it. I did have one lady at Lowe's tell me I couldn't be there without a mask but then she just walked away so I continued shopping.
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In reply to cc_ag92 • 7:21a, 5/24/21
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It's also not true. I just searched for in network therapists for children ages 6-13 within 20 miles from Plano. I found 6 accepting new patients with BCBS. That doesn't sound like a lot if you don't have historical context. Many therapists don't accept insurance. It has been a challenge for years to find therapists or psychiatrists who are accepting new patients who accept insurance.
I am not challenging the idea that this last year has been difficult mentally and emotionally. The need for therapists may have increased. But it does no one any good to think that therapy is impossible to access. It's difficult, but this isn't new.
Call them and see how long it will take to get in. I can't speak for DFW, but around The Woodlands it is absolutely true. You may be able to become a new patient, but it takes months to actually get an appointment. When you do get an appointment, you have to book multiples into the future because you are not getting any follow ups if you wait.
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In reply to Benny the Jet Rodriguez • 8:08a, 5/24/21
This. The website may say one thing, but reality seems to be different. I personally know multiple people who have had to seek therapy for their kids late in 2020 and the first part of 2021, and have not been successful for this reason. The best one could do was get into a group format. 1:1 wasn't an option. We do know someone who got in back in September, but shortly after that therapist stopped seeing new patients. Maybe the availability is out there somewhere, but It is really tight
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In reply to St Hedwig Aggie • 8:10a, 5/24/21
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West Point Aggie said:
Ol_Ag_02 said:
Seeing mask on adults at the grocery store makes me embarrassed for them. Seeing masks on babies and toddlers makes me really sad at what their parents' stupidity and fear has done to them.

Some of us wear masks in stores when the proprietor of said establishment asks its customers to. I guess coming from the military I'm used to following directions and behaving like a good guest even if I personally hate wearing them and find the need pointless. I'll assume people that come into your home, do as YOU say or they can GTFO?
This is a terrible reason to wear a mask. I spent 17 years in retail. I promise you that most employees hate seeing all of the customers complying with the rule. They want to ditch the masks just as fast as the rest of us.

You want to do right for the employees serving you, take your stupid mask off.
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In reply to St Hedwig Aggie • 8:52a, 5/24/21
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West Point Aggie said:
Ol_Ag_02 said:
Seeing mask on adults at the grocery store makes me embarrassed for them. Seeing masks on babies and toddlers makes me really sad at what their parents' stupidity and fear has done to them.

Some of us wear masks in stores when the proprietor of said establishment asks its customers to. I guess coming from the military I'm used to following directions and behaving like a good guest even if I personally hate wearing them and find the need pointless. I'll assume people that come into your home, do as YOU say or they can GTFO?


1) It's possible to not wear a mask and still be a good guest. Just say "no, thank you" and do your shopping.

2) Maybe it's the nurse in me but blindly following orders that don't make sense is not something I am comfortable with.
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10:01a, 5/24/21
There also seems to be little discussion of the fact that there are a great many children who come from pretty terrible, abusive situations at home and going to school was a respite for them. It allowed them to escape their terrible home situations and for much of the country that was lost.
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