No, I'm not talking about women's swimming.

And believe it or not, there are coaches out there that don't worship at the altar of avarice. I know of a national championship coach in a money sport that repeatedly refused overtures paying more than twice his salary. Why? Because he liked where he was.

Some things are more important than money.

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Well, then what sport are you talking about?

And also, that means that if he took half as much money to stay where he's at, then that particular school was worth the equivalent of his salary over again. The employer doesn't have to pay the employee more just because they want to stay where they are. Fringe benefits are included.

Being paid 100,000 to coach at A&M gets you the same quality of life as 200,000 in Los Angeles.

Not trying to pick a fight, just disagreeing with the insinuation that XYZ coach, who's team has been in the top 25 longer, deserves to make as much money as ABC coach, especially when they coach different sports.

Which sport are you talking about, anyways? Women's Bball? I think they're the only sport I can think of, besides soccer and women's swimming, and T&F, that haven't been outside of the top 25 in the past year, let along longer than that.

And I'm sure it can't be Coach Henry, he must get paid plenty. If not by the University, indirectly for private coaching or something.

I'm talking end of the year finishes...You are more than familiar with which sport I'm talking about. And I'm not saying one coach deserves more than another strictly based on that, but when neither of their sports make money what's the justification?

Outside of sports that actually make money (football, men's basketball) at the end of the day, choosing who to pay more than others is strictly personal preference by whoever has the checkbook.

If you are going to get into a bidding war for someone like Henry then fine -- the credentials and the results are there in spades..but he's the only one (outside of J.T. Higgins). Treating almost all the head coaches (and some of the assts.) on staff like they've won national titles from a financial standpoint is a big mistake that will drain your program financially. It's already happened here.

[This message has been edited by Look Out Below (edited 11/14/2009 10:06p).]

Is your bottom line that we should keep the Corbellis?

they are both being paid 113K and 67K.

Bottom line, you gotta make the NCAAs most of the time. Non rev sports gotta make the post season, period.

You're telling me we can't do better paying that kinda of money for a VB coaches.

I think we should consider hiring Drumbeat to replace the current staff.

seriously....

LOB, I've gathered at this point that you're talking about Men's swimming. That's comparing apples to oranges big time. There's 2.5 times as many women's soccer programs as men's swimming, so being top 25 in one is way tougher than top 10 in the other.

Think about it this way: Does the #10. team in men's swimming have any chance, even in the most extreme scenario, of winning the national championship? No.

What about in Women's soccer? Yes, without a doubt.

That's the difference. Nothing personal against the men's swimming staff, but there's a whole lotta people you could have coach that team and recruit men's swimmers to A&M and they would still be a top 25 team. And by a whole lot, I mean a WHOLE lot. That's why that's not a fair rubric. I mean, you can be a top 25 men's swimming team at NCAA's by having 1 really good swimmer. Or even 1 really good diver. For example, Alex Righi from Yale last year, who finished 21st all on his own.

But anyways, how much do highschool volleyball coaches make, and from someone who knows, would a top highschool coach translate well to being a college head coach immediately? We all saw the Todd Dodge football experiment at UNT, jw how those who know thinks it would play out in volleyball.

After counting it's more like twice as many, not 2.5. There are a lot of myths that get spread about the # of men's swimming programs. I agree it's tougher to be top 10 in soccer, but many of those extra soccer schools are the non-competetive, directional schools. Outside of the Big 12, most major schools have both sports.

That said, you have to get that complete stud to get those points to put you in the top 25. That's not easy. The Yale kid is the exception not the rule. You and I both know night swims at NCAA's is flooded with kids from Auburn, Arizona, Texas and Stanford. It is beyond difficult to get a relay in the championship final at NCAA's; that takes four studs.

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Not sure about the other sports - but the gap between top 5 in swimming and everyone else is gigantic. Finishing top 25 isn't really that hard. A single 9th place finish earns 18 points. Two 9th place finishes will get you 20th place.

I know this thread is about volleyball, so I'll weigh in and say regardless of compensation - our results are unsatisfactory and have been for a long time. Time for a change.

There seems to be an ongoing lovefest with coach G in soccer - but it seems to me that we either continually underchieve when we reach the Big12s and the NCAAs or our expectations are too high. I can only imagine what tu fans think about Petrucelli.

I counted yesterday and it was 143 m. swim 323 wom. soccer in D. 1, give or take a few.

Beside the point how many it takes to get a relay to final at NCAA's. You tried to draw a comparison between how long swimming has been in the top 25, and how long soccer has, and the coaches relative compensations. You and I both also know that there's a lot more people who can coach a men's swimming team to the top 25 than women's soccer. Not saying that either is easy, but there's just a lot more that could do it in men's swimming.

Also, you have to consider that having a women's soccer team in the top 10 is a heck of a lot more valuable to Adidas than it is to have a swim team in the top 10. Adidas tried to break into the swimming market, which lasted all of about a month with the hydrofoil, and I've seen no indication that they're attempting to make a 2010 legal suit. And more valuable to Adidas=More valuable to Texas A&M Athletics.

And furthermore, MEN'S SWIMMING IS NOT CURRENTLY IN THE TOP 25!

Spicewood hit the nail on the head.

Wolverine -- please show me a link to the current men's top 25 in swimming because I'd love to see one. Also the Adidas note is ridiculous. They will not live or die based on how our soccer team does. They care about football and basketball. Anything else is gravy. They were out of their league when it came to the new suits. They tucked tail on that when they figured it out.

I'd also love for you to continue to defend soccer when Byrne tries to take out swimming one of these days because of more budget cuts. I'd rather pay a soccer coach 'only' 100K (not even counting the avalanche of camp money) and have a well-rounded athletic program than run a bare-bones athletic dept. running the NCAA minimum number of sports where every coach is a millionaire (because that's where it's going).

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Yeah, you're right, Adidas doesn't care about soccer at all, even though it's probably the biggest youth sport in the country, and Adidas is the official provider for MLS, and do a large proportion of their yearly revenue on sales of soccer equipment. I bet that "gravy" is worth at least some portion of the salary difference between the 2.

P.S. Can't find where I last saw the rankings that had A&M out of the top 25 (and by some other site's rankings that went further, around 42nd), but here's a set from January 29, 2009

And I know you're going to bring up all that stuff about how the guys train so hard in season, that in-season rankings don't matter. But again, by that same token, you can't use those same rankings as some justification for the coaches needing to make more than Coach G.

http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/20111.asp


[This message has been edited by gobluwolverine (edited 11/15/2009 5:11p).]

You're twisting my words. I said our soccer team, not the sport in general. We did not get the athletic dept. contract with Adidas because of our soccer program. Are they glad our soccer team is good? Sure they are. Was it contingent on us getting the contract? Hell no.

While you are correct about the in-season training, the only team to beat A&M's men all fall is Texas so it would be reasonable to suspect that they would be ranked if and when the thing ever comes out.

The dual meet based swim team national rankings are a borderline joke. Just as useless as the win/loss records some schools tout.

Really the only thing that matters is conference championships and the NCAA.

A&M was doing great while Jim Moore was running the Texas program into the ground. Once he was fired and Jerritt Elliott was hired, the fortune of the two programs went in opposite directions.

Compare it to what happened to RC when Mack was hired to replace Mackovic . . .

Speaking of coaches salaries, are the Corbelli's under contract? Would there have to be a buyout to oust them?

Texas has solidified its setting til 2017 with Hannah Allison from Arkansas coming this next year and chole collins a high flying setter from Cy Woods who just committed to Texas as a FRESHMAN in high school.

Other known committ for Texas are

Class of 2011
Hayley Ackerman 6'3 OH
Katherine Bell 6'2 OH MB
Madelyn Hutson 6'6" MB

This is what Hayley said in an article

Eckerman, a junior at Waterloo East, said she plans to play at Texas.

"She said four of her teammates on a national junior squad all plan to become Longhorns too."


Link to usavolleyball website...thier are 4 of them committed to Texas

Long road ahead......

Wow. That hurts to even read. Texas might be looking at assembling a top 10 college team in HISTORY.

Losing Haley Eckerman to Texas is a painful blow to Nebraska, not only missing out on a top target but to see her go to a conference rival is bad. Since she is from Iowa I was hoping the Huskers would be able to get her to commit. She will be one of the very top players in the 2011 class.

Texas has been on a roll lately, this is bad news for everyone else in the conference. I think Nebraska will be back on top of the pack next year with Hooker and Engle gone, but after that it's going to be rough.

nakedcrayon,

Looking at the current recruiting info you posted, it looks as if we may never recover from the recruiting mismanagement of the current administration regardless of whether or not there is a house cleaning. That's painful to realize that we are already behind in recruiting for as many as 7 years.


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