I asked you what your background in tennis is. That's all.

I supported coach k, but if you can show once where I said the team would do something specific, and they didn't, I will concede.

Again, my only question is why are you so all knowing about tennis? What is your extensive tennis background? Why are you so hesitant to say?

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name one promiment woman coach who has been succesfully at the pro or college leve

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Seriously? You may be right on a few points every now and then, but this is definitely one argument you are going to lose. There are a lot of D-I women's head and assistant coaches who were successful in college and on the tour.

XlAggie will say, "Oh yeah then name one"

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name one promiment woman coach who has been succesfully at the pro or college level

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XL just because I don’t check Texags every 5 minutes doesn’t mean you get extra credit for making the same stupid challenge 3 times in an afternoon. Here is my response. Hope you’re ready for a lesson…

Lele Forood (a woman) led Stanford to the 2010 NCAA women’s national championship. She has won SIX total since 2001 and 5 more before that as an assistant. That’s pretty decent. At one point her teams had THREE STRAIGHT UNDEFEATED SEASONS and won like 90 matches in a row. I don’t think they have lost at home since the 90s! She is the undisputed best women's coach today.

Stella Sampras (you probably have one of your man-crushes on her brother Pete) led UCLA to the 2008 championship. In her 14 years she has only finished out of the top-10 once and has been in the top 5 seven or eight times.

Claire Pollard at Northwestern is something like 90-0 in Big 10 play and also undefeated in postseason Big 10 play in her 10+ years there. She has made the Sweet 16 of the NCAAs seven or eight straight times.

There are plenty more young female coaches on the rise.

Only one team in the top 10 of the final poll last season had male head and assistant coaches and only 4 or 5 teams in the top 25.
13 of the top 25 teams had female head coaches. SEVEN OF THE LAST 10 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS HAVE BEEN WON BY TEAMS WITH FEMALE HEAD COACHES!!!

To use a phrase you are fond of, let’s not let the facts get in the way of ignorance and misogyny OK XL?

You might be Nick Bollettieri posting on Texags, but you clearly know nothing about women’s college tennis. Just because you're ignorant of things (like great women's coaches) doesn't mean they don't exist!


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name one promiment[sic] woman coach who has been succesfully[sic] at the pro or college level

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i assumed this meant that he wanted examples of female college coaches who had success PLAYING in college or pro. i've got that too.

lele forood, stanford head: college all-american at stanford, ncaa singles finalist and semi-finalist, top 30 pro tour

sarah anundsen, north carolina assistant: ncaa doubles champion, two time all-american at unc

alison ojeda, baylor assistant: already covered

julia scaringe, notre dame assistant: won a national championship at florida, ncaa top 25 singles, top 10 doubles, played all four junior slams

stella sampras-webster, ucla head: ncaa doubles champ and runner up at ucla, where she was a four time all american, top 250 wta singles, top 150 doubles

claire pollard, northwestern head: ncaa doubles champion and all-american at mississippi state, played us open and wimbledon

jackie holden, northwestern assistant, ncaa doubles champion and two-time all-american at mississippi state

ronni bernstein, michigan head: four-time all-american in singles and doubles at miami, ncaa singles semifinalist, ncaa doubles champion and finalist, wta top 30 in doubles, top 80 in singles

teryn ashley-fitch, michigan assistant: five-time all-american at stanford, two national titles, career high ncaa #1 in doubles, #4 in singles, 4 singles and 13 doubles titles on the tour, top 60 wta doubles, top 100 singles

paige yaroshuk-tews, miami head: two time all-american, #1 ncaa doubles, top 20 singles

patty fendick-mccain, texas head: ncaa singles champion twice at stanford, semifinalist another time and doubles finalist once, top 5 wta doubles, top 20 wta singles, 9 grand slam doubles semis or better, winning the australian open with mary joe fernandez

jamea jackson, oklahoma state assistant: top 45 wta tour, 11 grand slam appearances, wins over jankovic, bartoli, sharapova, etc, played fed cup for the us

those are just from the teams finishing top ten this year, and teams in the big 12.

so, yeah...

(and by the way, i'm not taking sides in this argument. i know alison and mark very well and they were both great players and are both very good coaches who will have a lot of success in their careers)

I don't know enough about the coaches to take a side really, although the facts see, to back up what I know about women's sports.

A women's team can be successful with a male coach. But an all-male coaching staff can make it tough. Especially when one is over 50, and one is almost 40. It just makes it tough to really relate to the players. Anybody who's ever coached anything knows that there's way more to coaching than the technical aspects of it.

This could be a possible reason for the apathy that many on here have documented this season. I feel like a quality women's assistant might help abate this problem.

You mean a younger, female assistant. Mark is more than qualified for the job.

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assumed this meant that he wanted examples of female college coaches who had success PLAYING in college or pro. i've got that too.

lele forood, stanford head: college all-american at stanford, ncaa singles finalist and semi-finalist, top 30 pro tour

sarah anundsen, north carolina assistant: ncaa doubles champion, two time all-american at unc

alison ojeda, baylor assistant: already covered

julia scaringe, notre dame assistant: won a national championship at florida, ncaa top 25 singles, top 10 doubles, played all four junior slams

stella sampras-webster, ucla head: ncaa doubles champ and runner up at ucla, where she was a four time all american, top 250 wta singles, top 150 doubles

claire pollard, northwestern head: ncaa doubles champion and all-american at mississippi state, played us open and wimbledon

jackie holden, northwestern assistant, ncaa doubles champion and two-time all-american at mississippi state

ronni bernstein, michigan head: four-time all-american in singles and doubles at miami, ncaa singles semifinalist, ncaa doubles champion and finalist, wta top 30 in doubles, top 80 in singles

teryn ashley-fitch, michigan assistant: five-time all-american at stanford, two national titles, career high ncaa #1 in doubles, #4 in singles, 4 singles and 13 doubles titles on the tour, top 60 wta doubles, top 100 singles

paige yaroshuk-tews, miami head: two time all-american, #1 ncaa doubles, top 20 singles

patty fendick-mccain, texas head: ncaa singles champion twice at stanford, semifinalist another time and doubles finalist once, top 5 wta doubles, top 20 wta singles, 9 grand slam doubles semis or better, winning the australian open with mary joe fernandez

jamea jackson, oklahoma state assistant: top 45 wta tour, 11 grand slam appearances, wins over jankovic, bartoli, sharapova, etc, played fed cup for the us

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This is great and I will name you 5 pages of sucessfull men tennis coaches both in womens tennis and mens at all levels...M

Mens tennis is superior to womens in all aspects and I would take a mens tennis coach over a woman any day....

I wonder what percentage of men hold head Div 1 coaching jobs I would say 90% there is a reason for this....

And again Weaver is not the problem with the Women's team and Allison would not be an upgrade over him...hth...

this thread has brought me a good chuckle.

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This is great and I will name you 5 pages of sucessfull men tennis coaches both in womens tennis and mens at all levels

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And I'm sure you could name me pages of white football head coaches that have been successful while I can name only a few black ones. You being a sexist is similar to the racist argument above. It has to do with opportunity, not ability. A female head coach had not won the national title until 2001. Since then, 7 of the last 10 have been female. There will always be great male head coaches in women's sports and there's nothing wrong with that but things will change as women keep getting more opportunities and this will happen in spite of ignorant fools like you.

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Mens tennis is superior to womens in all aspects

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No one is arguing with you on this, but it doesn't have anything to do with the coaching. It very obviously is a physical issue, just like it is with all other sports.

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and I would take a mens tennis coach over a woman any day....

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...and that's why we're all glad that you're not in charge of Aggie athletics. My guess is that you're not in charge of ANYTHING and never will be with that attitude.

I should take it easy on you because it's obvious that you are a young male that has had no experience with women. I think as you begin to date and get to know more about women and maybe even have a daughter, your view will change. Either it will change or there is not much hope for you to have any success in life. It's not 1890 anymore and that attitude about women is not going to get you very far.

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This is great and I will name you 5 pages of sucessfull men tennis coaches both in womens tennis and mens at all levels

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Great, man. So can I. No one is challenging your contention that men can be great at coaching women. Your claim was that no one could name a woman with any success at a high level of playing tennis who was also a successful coach. You were wrong. So just admit that you were wrong, show some humility, and maybe people will be a little more likely to take you seriously in these discussions. Don't try to backtrack or change the parameters of your argument, which seems like what you tend to do.

It's obvious that you have SOME tennis knowledge and passion for the sport, or you wouldn't be on all these threads. It just so happens that there are a lot of other people on here that do the same, and don't appreciate when you hijack threads and spout off over-the-top statements, especially when they are often misguided or wrong.

You have to look at why men's tennis players would dominate women's in a match. It's not necessarily because of superior technical ability. It's because of superior physical strength. A good female player can know as much about the technical aspects of the game, as can a female coach. If anything, a FEMALE coach will have a better idea of how to play the women's game, and how to be successful without that strength.

I still think that Mark is an outstanding coach. But with sports, once you start getting to the NCAA level, coaching is as much about the managing psyches and motivating athletes as it is about the technical and strategic stuff.

And I'm not an 18-22 year old girl, but I just feel like if I were, on average, I would have a much easier time being motivated if I had a late 20's-early 30's woman on the staff, than I would by a tandum of Mark and BK. I could be entirely wrong. But I feel like if Mark said the exact same things to these girls as Alison did, (in other words, all else equal), being a younger female would give the words more power and influence over the players. I just don't know how well a staff of Mark and BK can relate to the players. They don't both need to, but one of them needs to.

Again, I could be entirely wrong, because I've never played nor coached women's college tennis. But if you look at our most successful women's programs on the A&M campus, most have female assistants. (Swimming, Soccer, Basketball, golf, softball). The lone exception seems to be T&F, which has only 1 "volunteer assitant" that's a female, but the caveat to that is that Vince Anderson is bar-none the best assistant Track coach in the country.

But that's just how it seems to me.

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Great, man. So can I. No one is challenging your contention that men can be great at coaching women. Your claim was that no one could name a woman with any success at a high level of playing tennis who was also a successful coach. You were wrong. So just admit that you were wrong, show some humility, and maybe people will be a little more likely to take you seriously in these discussions. Don't try to backtrack or change the parameters of your argument, which seems like what you tend to do.

It's obvious that you have SOME tennis knowledge and passion for the sport, or you wouldn't be on all these threads. It just so happens that there are a lot of other people on here that do the same, and don't appreciate when you hijack threads and spout off over-the-top statements, especially when they are often misguided or wrong.

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Yes after an essential google search..I gurantee anyone can name top 5 mens coaches right off..not women and that point is fact not sure where I am wrong...nothing to admit.....If I was I would.

All the top tennis coaches are Men that is pretty much fact. If you want to dispute that fine....

Please enlighten me on past threads were I was often misguided or wrong..I believe I called the season for the womens team just about right..ok..so I will be waiting.

Oh and if women coaches are so good are there any head womens coaches of mens teams in the big 12??? How many are major Div 1 coaches for mens teams?? Private coaches for pro playes men or women??? There all men for the most part...

And at clubs guess who majority of the teaching pros are men!!!!

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and that's why we're all glad that you're not in charge of Aggie athletics. My guess is that you're not in charge of ANYTHING and never will be with that attitude

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Again when you've no argument insult them....and apparently I am charge of a space in your small dome...



Hey corky..how many mens head coaches are there vs womens head coaches at A&M...and guess what you will never believe this the head of coach and assistant coachs for both tennis programs are men!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who would've thunk it.....

XIaggie...you're not winning anything. Trust me.

We have many assistants who will 1 day become head coaches. Women as NCAA head coaches is sort of a new phenomenon, but you will see it more and more with the next generation.

Consider the pool of women who are willing to stick with a sport beyond junior high, versus men. (PS this is one reason why I think Title IX is silly, but I digress). That's why more men hang around to become head coaches than women. This is definitely changing though.

So XlAggie, what is your tennis background? What makes you so knowledgeable about tennis? Did you play in high school? College? Do you coach now?

I asked that yesterday, and still no answer. Leads me to believe that you have no experience with tennis, or not much at all. You just like to voice your opinion and spout off whatever comes to mind.

Will you ever answer my question? Doubtful. Therefore, you answered it already.

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If at some point I am able to work miracles, I'll let you know.

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Oh and if black coaches are so good are there any black coaches of teams in the big 12??? How many are major Div 1 coaches for mens teams?? Private coaches for pro playes men or women??? They are all white for the most part...

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See what I did there?

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o XlAggie, what is your tennis background? What makes you so knowledgeable about tennis? Did you play in high school? College? Do you coach now?

I asked that yesterday, and still no answer. Leads me to believe that you have no experience with tennis, or not much at all. You just like to voice your opinion and spout off whatever comes to mind.

Will you ever answer my question? Doubtful. Therefore, you answered it already.

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Like I have to account myself to a re re like you....you blindly support a failing coach in coack k...so we know where your knowledge of tennis is..

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See what I did there?

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strawman got it!

And you dodge the question again. Thanks for answering without answering. No tennis background, that about explains it.

I look forward to hearing all of your "opinions" in the coming tennis season.

you got it...god bless and god speed

I still think I know who you are...but until I am sure, I cant say...

I just dont understand why you wont say what your tennis background is. Baffles me.

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Look XL, I'm going to be honest and admit that I agree with some of what you are saying, but not with the spirit in which you are saying it.

Yes, it's pretty obvious that men have made and maybe even still do make better tennis coaches today. The difference is that I (like others who have posted similar opinions) think that it has everything to do with tradition and opportunity rather than with ability or capacity. You seem to be saying that you just don't think women CAN be as good at coaching OTHER WOMEN as men can be.

If that's how you feel, then my racist analogy wasn't a straw man at all. A bigot is a bigot, regardless of who the target is.

Like someone else has said, I think that more women will continue to shine in coaching as it becomes a real possibility for them, just like I think minorities will. Will women ever coach men? Probably not anytime soon, but I'm not so ignorant to think it will never happen. The way the world is going, the best person for the job is getting the job more often than they used to (rather than just the best available white male) and I think that trend will continue.

I didn't mean to start this argument. My preference for Ojeda was simply because I thought she recruited better players, and apparently I was wrong about that. I have nothing against Mark Weaver or Kleinecke...other than of course I would like to see our team do a lot better. Mark was definitely a great player but as a coach he hasn't gotten it done. And I agree that Kleinecke bears the majority of the blame but he has had success with other assistants so obviously Weaver is not getting it done.

This is my last post on this topic. XL I really hope that you're just trolling for a reaction. If not, I really feel sorry for your mom, any woman that would marry you, and any daughters you might have. Mostly I feel sorry for you and I'm sorry for whatever has happened in your life to make you so disrespectful towards women.

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This is my last post on this topic. XL I really hope that you're just trolling for a reaction. If not, I really feel sorry for your mom, any woman that would marry you, and any daughters you might have. Mostly I feel sorry for you and I'm sorry for whatever has happened in your life to make you so disrespectful towards women.

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Cause I said men are bettr coaches you really are implying a lot right there...Men do things better and women do things better..So hold your holy than thou attidue buddy...

That being said I am not a troll I am passionate about aggie tennis and just have my opinions if you don't agree great....thats what makes texags so fun...but don't judge buddy...its the internet its not serious business...

take care.

Callie Creighton was the asst. coach under Kleinecke involved in the recruiting of most of the girls that were mentioned as part of the "glory days". Roland, Spencer, Walker, and I believe Mechem as well.

You must be mistaken. After all, she is a woman.

I'm so confused.
When did aggie11 learn how to spell?


Hopefully a few of you will get this reference...

Thats what I have been thinking....

this whole time I've been thinking his screen name was capital x capital i, the roman numeral for 11, making him a slightly backwards (no pun intended) sock incarnation of the infamous aggie11...is this not the case?

I think its Aggie11. Its been suggested before

you can you think all you want...

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Hey corky..how many mens head coaches are there vs womens head coaches at A&M...and guess what you will never believe this the head of coach and assistant coachs for both tennis programs are men!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who would've thunk it....

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But you already blamed Coach K for our lack of success. Talk about wanting it both ways. He's hardly a good example of why men are by default better coaches. If anything, it proves the opposite.

You sir truly are either trolling or a fool. Nobody on this thread is agreeing with your position that by default men are better coaches of women. Because it's obviously wrong.

And nobody is arguing women's tennis is as good as men's tennis, due to obvious physical differences. That is irrelevant.

And you have already been OWNED with your ridiculous challenge of naming one successful female women's tennis coach--with 7 of the 10 nat'l champs being female. Just quit man. Wonder why nobody is chiming in defending your point??? Oh I'm sure you'll have some lame excuse.



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Wait for it...

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But you already blamed Coach K for our lack of success. Talk about wanting it both ways. He's hardly a good example of why men are by default better coaches. If anything, it proves the opposite.

You sir truly are either trolling or a fool. Nobody on this thread is agreeing with your position that by default men are better coaches of women. Because it's obviously wrong.

And nobody is arguing women's tennis is as good as men's tennis, due to obvious physical differences. That is irrelevant.

And you have already been OWNED with your ridiculous challenge of naming one successful female women's tennis coach--with 7 of the 10 nat'l champs being female. Just quit man. Wonder why nobody is chiming in defending your point??? Oh I'm sure you'll have some lame excuse.

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Wow what a rant...First of nobody could name any of those women coaches without a search on google so how exactly was I owned...Second so your Coach K argument makes no sense he was one of the majority of men coaches in the NCAA whether he is sucessful or not is debatble per bigfoot he is..

So I point to fact that men are more successful coaches by saying they hold more head coaching jobs in college and the pro tour and your comeback is you're wrong care to back it up????

I will be waiting for you to prove if men aren't better coaches why do they hold more head coaching positions on all levels of tennis?

Too too easy.


Oh for fun and is there a woman head coach of a mens tennis at any BCS major Div 1 school...I am just asking..and what is the percentage vs men????




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