seriously we have settled for top 35 rankings every year...win just enough to get to ncaa's and finsih middle of the pack every year in big 12's with these facilities dont you think its time to get a high powered recruting head coach.....same for volleyball

Here we go...

yep hold on for the ride....overdue

Paging XIaggie....paging XIaggie...

Clearly somebody who logs on to the "Other Sports" board once every 6 months, and doesn't bother reading the threads already posted

There's been roughly 87 discussions about this in the last 12 months. Probably more than any other topic besides "why swimmers and swim fans can't get along". Search for one, read through, and if you still have questions, let us know.

Every thread that is made about Women's tennis and bigfoot brings my name up. How many have I started this year?? Zero.


I know u love Coach K but he is not beyond criticism. .I just dont care to complain anymore. HTH..

Good luck to the ladies in the tourney.

and right on cue....


I have never said I love Coach K, by the way. Hope the women play well in the tourney this year, it would be a nice change.

right on cue what?? You mention me in a Women's tennis thread??

and you do love Coach K..you stick up for him like no other..

Right on cue you show up.

Recruiting looks good for next year!

Recruiting does look good, but what is up with all of the international recruiting?

Where are you guys seeing recruiting information?

bigboy2003, is that a troll??

aggieathletics.com
Don't get the troll reference!

Why would that be a troll? It's a pretty legitimate question. Not saying I have a problem with it either way, but it's a question worth asking.

Thanks Road Not Taken! I have never seen more than a few internationals at a time on any of Kleinecke's teams so I was just curious as to why this is happening. I don't have a problem with it necessarily. Especially if they can take the team to the next level.

I think he just isn't getting the better American players, so he is having to go international. I don't have a problem with it as long as it isn't 100%.

I would prefer more Americans. I think it should be no more than 50% internationals on our teams. Kleinecke is obviously being influenced to change his recruiting methods. Either Weaver is doing this or Bill Byrne is laying down the law. Perhaps it is both.

Or he can't get the good Americans to come here. Why would Weaver, an American player who benefitted from a coach recruiting all American players, want to get all foreign girls?

He just can't get the good us girls, so he has no choice.

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Kleinecke is obviously being influenced to change his recruiting methods. Either Weaver is doing this or Bill Byrne is laying down the law. Perhaps it is both.

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No.

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He just can't get the good u.s. girls, so he has no choice.

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Yes.

If we got in to the top 10, I can guarantee you that 99% of Aggies would have no problem if the majority of our players were international. I'm sure we would all PREFER the girls to be American, but as long as they are good representatives of the program and university (as Kleinecke's girls always are), the Aggie tennis community would support them 100%.

I would just prefer more Americans. I am not trying to bash Kleinecke, but why the change though now? Don't get me wrong, I think they will be good next year. Probably better than they have been in a while. Just hope this isn't the new trend.

It's kinda cyclical. You get the foreign girls to get you a better ranking, then when you get the higher ranking, you can pull the good Americans in. It happens everywhere.

If you know college tennis, you know that the really good schools (for the women: Stanford, Georgia, Tennessee, UCLA, Florida, notre dame) get the good Americans. Lilly Kimbell for example, going to Georgia. The gullickson girl at Georgia. Hillary Barte at Stanford. Kristy Frilling at ND. That's just how it works. Always been that way, with few exceptions.

Don't care where they're from, don't care if we're 100% foreign. I just want players who want to be here and who know how to win a tennis match.

Part of the foreign move is he's got a pipleline so to speak in South Africa going with the Potgeiter sisters (the younger one coming here was always a given) and if you've got that going, there's really no reason to look elsewhere.

Btw, we would all prefer all Americans. Just isn't the time for it now. If we build the program back up, and become a good top 20 team for a year or two, the Americans will come back full force

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Not me.

I prefer the best players and best kids possible. If they happen to be American, that's awesome. If they don't, that's great too.

The girl we are getting from Arkansas has an Indian dad and an American mom, so she's American. Sort of. She's from New Braunfels so she's from Texas. Sort of. Except she lived in India too. So is it better to get her because she's sort of from Texas or is it better to get a kid from Hawaii who like our president is or is not really American or is it better to get a kid from England who is ethnically more like us than either of the other two?

I mean it really gets blurry when you start thinking about it. Why is it better if they are American? And what is American anyway? Is half-American really American? Is Obama American? How long do you have to be in America to be American? Is Shuon Madden, who has lived here most of his life American? Would you rather have had some kid from Dallas than Shuon on our team? Is Shuon a real Aggie?

A lot of questions, I know. My whole point is that I think it's important to get the best Aggies we can get and I think that where they are from is much less important than what they can do with a tennis racket and what kind of person they are. The funny thing is that the only "real" Americans are the native kind, and not too many of those are blue-chip tennis players.

You all are of course entitled to different opinions and I respect that, but when SMU comes to our house and beats us with a bunch of Pollocks next week (or Baylor with their Germans if we squeak by SMU), I promise you that they are not going to enjoy it any less or be any less proud of their team because it's not full of a bunch of kids from Snook and Vidor.

* I meant Pollack and not Pollock. Pollack is a pejorative term for Polish people, as opposed to Conor Pollock, who is OK because he is American.

SMU has 2 girls from Poland in their top 6. They also have 3 girls from Texas and 2 other Americans.

Baylor women have 0 Germans.

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Well maybe they would be if they weren't drunk all of the time.

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Their men's team has some Germans on it.

You're right, the women do not. But the bigger point about them is they're an international side. They have a girl from just about Eastern Block country and two from Canada.

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Absolutely false. I imagine we posted at the same time and you didn't see my post?, but again, I don't care where our team is from.

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No one is talking about anyone's men's teams here, but thanks for the newsflash about Baylor tennis closely resembling the EU.

Their men will always be like that, but their women will be getting more and more domestic in the next couple of years. They will probably have the same percentage (or very close) of internationals to Americans as the Aggies next year.

Men's or women's tennis...what's the difference? And what's with the sarcasm?

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This. AggieXI with his best post ever.

Harry Dunne nailed it. I just want the best Aggies and the best tennis players. We certainly know the latter can be satisfied by foreign players, and I think many at the University (though certainly not all) believe the former can be too.

Thanks for the correction and lesson in semantics. In case you didn't notice, much of my post was tongue-in-cheek and the main point isn't changed by what nationalities the players from SMU and Baylor's team are. I can use google and find a roster as well, and I have watched all three teams in question play in person.

Bigfoot is right - if we win, we will get Americans. I think that more importantly, if we win, we will get better players. I think that after years of being stubborn and staying mediocre with average American players, Kleinecke is doing the right thing for now and the best players that they can, regardless of nationality.

Okay TXAggie, if you had the choice of an all foreign team or all American team, same talent level, which would you want?

Being a former college tennis player (although not scholarship), I kind of have an issue with American schools giving away US dollars and scholarships to foreign players instead of americans. Obviously, if you can't get the americans, thats a different story. But if you can, and the talent level is the same, I think you should give them to the american players. Kinda like shopping for US products to keep the money local.

Maybe I am in the minority in that one, not sure.