@Bigfoot..I don't get why Weaver is not being considered did he get a courtesy interview??

@Harry..Good post..but any men's player worth a lick is going straight pro....Blake, Isner are the exception rather the rule...

And denton needs to throw in a salad every now and then..

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I don't care what the sexual orientation of her coaches is. It is behavior that matters. If a coach behaves badly, they need to be fired.

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If a coach behaves badly, they need to be fired. I am willing to bet that female athletes are FAR more likely to be harrassed by a male coach than any female coach.

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Since you addressed me directly, I will respond. We agree on the first point, and disagree on the second.

Predatory behavior by lesbians is greatly facilitated by opportunities for contact with players that aren't available to male coaches, such as in the locker room, showers, and meetings in hotel rooms on road trips.

Perhaps the greatest inroad to establishing an illicit relationship is the fact that a young girl is more often likely to trust in and seek counsel and emotional support from another woman than a man.

My point is simply that maximum diligence is necessary in this hiring effort to avoid a potentially disasterous impact on young girl(s), the womens tennis program, and the university as a whole.

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any men's player worth a lick is going straight pro....Blake, Isner are the exception rather the rule

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A couple of years ago there were 7 men in the second round of the US open who had played college tennis and there are currently about 20 former college players whose career highs have been in the top 100 singles, doubles, or both. Here are a few that I can think of and this list is probably very incomplete.

Mike & Bob Bryan (Stanford)
John Isner (Georgia)
Somdev Devvarman (Virginia)
Kevin Anderson (Illinois)
Robert Farah (USC)
Ken Skupski (Kentucky)
Robert Kendrick (Washington)
James Blake (Harvard)
Ryler DeHeart (Illinois)
Jesse Witten (Kentucky)
Bobby Reynolds (Vanderbilt)
Conor Niland (Cal)
Rajeev Ram (Illinois)
Amer Delic (Illinois)
Lester Cook (Texas A&M)
Kevin Kim (UCLA)
Michael Yani (Duke)
Jesse Levine (Florida)
Peter Luczak (Fresno)

Admittedly I don't follow women's tennis as closely but I can't even think of one woman on the WTA tour that played collegiately. Maybe a doubles specialist?

My point is that it's a long shot but at least feasible for Denton to claim to be developing future tour players but to make the women's hire on the same premise is silly and is obviously a ploy by Denton to get his buddy in the job. Obviously BB doesn't care enough to do his own research and see what a pipe dream it is.

I'm not complaining. Denton is a smart guy - I'm sure whoever he hires is going to do a great job. I just think it's funny how it's going down.

BUT, that doesn't mean it can't help the women's program. I don't know for a fact it will in tennis, but take a look at an example from swimming...

Kim Brackin, the Texas women's coach, hasn't been able to do much for her athletes at an international level (despite them having the talent to do so). However, she still gets huge recruits, because everyone wants to go swim with Brendan Hansen and Ian Crocker and Aaron Peirsol, etc. on the men's team. Of course, most of those guys have retired/left town, so that might change, but that's what the women's program has been living off of.

I dunno, do you think the same could work in tennis too?

SharpDressedMan - If you'd ever been to a genuine sexual-molestation training (not a religiously zealoted one), you'd know that predatory coaches are quite cunning. They'll find a way to put themselves in that sort of position regardless of their gender, sexual orientation, or access to locker room facilities. You think that a lockerroom is the only place that a predatory coach can corner an athlete? False. In fact, it's probably the last place they'd do it.

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Weaver should have gotten an interview, but did not get one. Supposedly he is very well liked in the athletic department though. Just not good timing for him. My hopes are that he will stick around and be hired by the new coach. I know that he is still working camps as of now and would like to stick around.

Thanks tennisfan...he needs to stick around a good guy from what I hear...and an Aggie Tennis legend.

I agree about Weaver, but I doubt the new coach keeps him on staff

Sharpdressed - you're a paranoid homophobe, it's as simple as that.

Spicewood, that is a strong condemnation from one whose training in psychiatric medicine and ability to critically parse and refute my objectively stated professional opinions would not fill a thimble. Constructive debate is clearly not one of your strengths.

sharpdressedman - I'd love to hear your credentials for those statements.

Psychiatry, particularly the abnormal discipline of the entire body of knowledge, can be as baffling as it is thought provoking and revealing of the influences and results of brain function on our lives. And, no one gets through medical school and functions successfully in his/her practice without being aware of the reality.

However, sexual dysfunction, within which I include sexual predation, is among the topics for which meaningful research and media coverage abounds.

I would like to reiterate my point that this coaching decision, like any other, requires serious due diligence to avoid the potentially destructive damage done to a program's participants and the university's reputation that can result from hiring a person with known or strongly suspected tendencies toward homosexual "recruitment" or outright sexual predation.

I appreciate your respecful inquiry. These discussion boards should provide no forum for groundless personal insults.

This thread is awesome. Even the people who are "in the know" have no clue what they're talking about. Too funny.

Road- give us the truth then, assuming you know it.

Who is "in the know" and doesn't have a clue what theyre talking about?

sharpdressedman - I mean, I'm a pretty good reader, so your big words and long sentences don't intimidate me. Still haven't heard your credentials, because all of the training I've been in/research I've seen on sexual predators failed to neglect any of what you said. That includes the CATHOLIC CHURCH, and if the Catholic Church isn't saying it, then who would be? In fact, all of the research I've seen has been the total opposite of that. Besides which, these aren't "children" we're talking about. They're young adults who can take care of themselves.

Again, please back up your statements with some real evidence, not just big words, to demonstrate that you're not being bigoted and hateful.

Sorry, blastoff, I have wasted enough time on this. I'm not willing to give you a medical school tutorial on psychiatry. And, don't confuse reading with comprehension.



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That's what I thought. I'm glad I know to never take your opinion on anything seriously. I only wish I knew your real name, so I could avoid having you as a doctor as well. You don't practice in Houston, do you?

It's not a medschool tutorial. It's statistics. Nothing you've said is verified by the independent studies. Total deflection.

Please, I would appreciate it if you WOULDN'T waste any more of our time with your hateful crap.

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SO, assuming the three finalists are the Texas assistant, the ND Assistant, and Ojeda, final guess, who do you guys think?

My vote's the Texas assistant.

5 people got interviews:
Rubio from Texas
Ojeda from Baylor
Harmon from the USTA
The ND women's asst
Howard Joffe from Maryland, was at Miami (OH), and asst for USC

I say Joffe gets it. His resume is the best

My picks
1Rubio
2Joffee
3Harmon
4Ojeda
5Notre Dame assistant
If it is 4 or 5 then we might as well have kept Kleinecke.

Since there was only one real candidate in Joffee that is a current Head Coach and has a pretty good resume before that then I will go with him. This should be a real wake up call to all of you out there that think this is such an unbelievable place to recruit out of just because we have great facilities. If that was truly the case then you would have seen several top head coaches asking to be interviewed.

I know of two pretty successful head coaches who weren't given an interview..

I wasn't aware that Joffe had an interview but like I said before I know through friends that the following applied for the job and were not given interviews:

Lauren Meisner (SMU - sweet 16 this year),

Michael Hegarty (Arkansas - perennial top 25, Sweet 16 and Elite 8 in last several years, also had top 10 teams as the mens coach at Fresno State)

Mark Beyers (Ole Miss for 12 years, Sweet 16 in 2010 and in top 25 often).

Joffe is a great candidate IMO but I find it strange that assistant coaches and a non college guy were given interviews over the three above.

Unless you look at it under the guise of what was said about Denton trying to turn College Station into some sort of super-American-tennis-academy town.

Not saying that's the right way to go, but that explanation would make it less "surprising".

Hegarty is who I wanted at the start of this.

My guess is it will be Rubio since that will be Denton's "power play". Joffe would be the better selection though. This whole process has been weird to say the least. Why wouldn't Meisner & Hegarty at least given an interview. Something doesn't add up!

The strange thing is that Joffe is South African himself and has had his success primarily with foreign players so it's weird that they would bring him in but not the others, especially since he has the least head coaching experience and achievement when compared to the group above.

Anyway developing tennis players is developing tennis players. It's not like you have to be American to train American players. The guy is South African and has been here 20 years, I'm sure he's nearly indistinguishable from an American.

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I would like to reiterate my point that this coaching decision, like any other, requires serious due diligence to avoid the potentially destructive damage done to a program's participants and the university's reputation that can result from hiring a person with known or strongly suspected tendencies toward homosexual "recruitment" or outright sexual predation.

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Are lesbian athletic coaches more likely to have these tendencies you are so worried about?

If you are a cardiologist as your profile says - good for you. But your medical school exposure to psychiatry hasn't apparently produced any data to say that merely being a lesbian is a problem for our future women's tennis coach.

The end of the quote above could easily be summed up as "we shouldn't hire someone credibly suspected of being a sexual predator." It doesn't matter whether it is a man or woman, nor what their sexual orientation is.

I know/know of plenty of very successful coaches that, now that I think about, have sneaking suspicions that they might play for "that" other team.

It hasn't seemed to caused any problems at their respective schools. Maybe homosexuals are more likely to turn into sexual predators, but I'd bet the odds are still really, really, really low.



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Any updates on the new hiring?

Decision has been made, should be announced today or Monday

Hope it's a good one!

It's official, Howard Joffe is the new Women's coach

It seems like y'all liked this candidate. I don't know much about tennis. Was this a great hire?

I wouldn't say it is a great hire. He has a lot of good asst coach experience, but as a head coach he has been alright, and only 2 years worth at that. He was the best of those that were interviewed.

There were 2-3 candidates that did not get interviews that have better resumes than Joffe