Based upon what I'm understanding from the "results" or lack thereof on the Aggieathletics website, am I correct in thinking we got skunked on both the men's and women's side our first time out? I understand fall holds little if any weight on the overall scheme of things, but in sports winning is a drug, a disease that they all (should) want to have. What's the spin from the courts?

Angus/Lewis did alright in Midland, losing in the semifinals. Not sure where the top guys were, I assume either training for futures tournaments or some bigger ITA tourneys.

Girls are going to be weak other than 1-2. Gonna have to watch out for Tech women this year, they are gonna get salty quick. Kenna Kilgo is a 17 year old from Waco Midway, who was playing ITF tourneys all last year. She goes out and makes the semis in singles and wins the doubles. She is gonna make an impact there, quick.

Bigfoot, reading all the press I was under the (mistaken) impression that we might have 3 big guns on the girls side at the top (Wen, Naz, and Christina) which one are you not seeing in that group? And the Tech girls, Friday the 13th couldn't be a better day to take a class on the courts.

[This message has been edited by Signem (edited 9/20/2011 11:08a).]

[This message has been edited by Signem (edited 9/20/2011 11:10a).]

I don't think that Wen will be all that strong, she placed 10th overall in the second division at the Duke tourney. Not a great showing.

does anyone know if all the girls on the roster are on scholarship? it would be nice to have another spot to bring in someone midyear.

Not sure what happened on the women's side of the draw at Midland, but know that in singles, Lewis lost first round, Angus and Brown lost second round, and Szabo made quarter final. Angus/Lewis were runner up in doubles.

What a moron bigfoot is. Kilgo was barely a better than average junior, but she is going to set the world on fire because she played in ITF's. Big Deal! Anyone can play in ITF's. Have you ever seen Sun Wen play tennis? How would you even know if she is even any good?

You're right, she was a 5 star recruit as a junior, and was ranked #42 nationally, but she probably isn't that good.

There was a lot of discussion about Sun Wen and her record against ranked players last year, and from what I recall, it wasn't that impressive. Hopefully she proves me wrong, the women need more depth in the lineup, that's for sure.

Have you seen her play?

Just checked the ITF site and Kilgo has played 1 total ITF tourney this year and two total ITF tourneys last year so it is quite obvious that you just have no clue as to what you are talking about. Her grand total ITF record for her career is 2 wins and 4 losses. And to say that the #42 best player in the nation is a strong player is ignorant as well.

I have not seen Sun Wen play, but have heard good things before she arrived on campus and in the short time that she has been here. I haven't made a conclusion on her ability yet, because I haven't seen her play just as you have not seen her play I am quite sure of.

Actually Kilgo has played in only 1 ITF tourney this year as well as only 1 ITF tourney last year. Amazing how playing in just 1 ITF tourney a year can improve your game!!!

She won mixed doubles in high school and got third at the USTA winter championships.

So you are ignoring your ITF statements. Winning mixed dubs in high school are you really saying that is a great accomplishment? If she finished 3rd at Winter Nationals then there is no way she is #42 in the nation. Maybe you are talking about in dubs. Definitely not in singles. If she is #42 in the nation then she is probably about the #120th best recruit in the nation if you calculate all of the foreign players.

Yes, in doubles. But she is #42 overall in the nation.

I ignored the ITF statement because you ignored my statement about her ranking.

Have you seen Wen play?

Bigfoot you need to brush up on your reading skills. I have already responded to your question as to whether or not I have seen her play. In regards to your ranking question she was the best junior college in the nation. What rankings are you referring to. She was #1 in the nation. Does she need to be -#1 in the nation?

How many junior college transfers can you think of that have made a big impact at the D1 level?

If you check out the last few JuCo #1's and what they've done at the NCAA level, it's not impressive at all. Doesn't mean that Wen won't be good, but being a JuCo #1 doesn't mean she will be good.

SlickRick clearly has some very close connection to the team or some of the players, as he is taking all of this veerrryyy personally.

I have seen Sun Wen play. She is a good player, but not close to the level of Nazari or even Morgan Frank. I do think that she is easily better than the bottom of the lineup holdovers we have and that she is a nice addition to the team, but it is my opinion that she will struggle if she has to play 3 against good teams. I hope that one or two of these other new girls is better because I think that she would be a great #5.

Last year Sun whipped Sam Houston's #1 player, beat North Texas' #1 player in a tight match, and got whipped by Rice's #1 player, who has been ranked in the top 100. You can't base too much on three results but at least you can see approximately what her level is. She beat the #1 player on a decent team and got whipped by a top 100 player.

She is a big tall girl who crushes the ball but is not a great mover and if she can't win the point from the baseline with pace she doesn't move forward well. She is also not a great lateral mover so she is in big trouble against girls that can handle her pace. That's what makes me think she would do well lower.

She also lost bad to Lamar's #1 player who is a little 5'2" south american dirtballer who runs around and puts a bunch of low-quality neutral balls back in the court. She lost in 2010 to a girl that plays high in the lineup for Northwestern State who I have also seen play and is virtually the same player as the Lamar girl. She has the problem that many girls college players have which is that she doesn't have the ability to step inside the baseline and make opponents pay for their mistakes. She is going to overpower lesser opponents and that's about it. Maybe Joffe will earn his paycheck and develop her a bit.

So yes, I have seen her play but I am no Nick Bolettieri and again it's just my opinion and I thought some of you might be interested in it so lets not get any panties in a wad because maybe she will prove me wrong and be all big 12/sec.

quote:

---

How many junior college transfers can you think of that have made a big impact at the D1 level?

---

I don't have enough info that answer that but I do know that the 2009 #1 juco player played #1 for a very good Gergia Tech team last year and was 4-3 in the third against new #1 Aggie Cristina Sanchez-Quintanar when the match was called so she's obviously pretty darn good. I think Majorie Terburgh was a juco transfer years ago and was very good for us. Baylor signed the #1 juco player a few years ago and she ended up with a subpar record at #6.

Whats more relevant to Sun Wen is that the 2010 #1 player Olivia Howlett went 2-5 in the SEC in the middle of the lineup for LSU last year. That's all she played, might have been injured?

The #2 player in '10 (Nadia Lee) played #4 for a decent North Texas team. #3 player (Slupska) played #2 for an unranked Memphis team. Wen finished #4 that year. Take what you want from that, it's just information.

quote:

---

She is a big tall girl who crushes the ball but is not a great mover and if she can't win the point from the baseline with pace she doesn't move forward well. She is also not a great lateral mover so she is in big trouble against girls that can handle her pace. That's what makes me think she would do well lower.

---

Great, another Sheri Olivier

Juco players for a major div 1 school is a reach..eot.

What exactly have I said that makes you think that I am taking this so personally? For the record I have never even said that Sun Wen is going to be a great college player. The only thing that I am saying is to give her a chance. Nobody has seen her play in a real match at A&M, so there is no way to determine how good or bad she really is. How about we let her get her feet wet before we decide how bad she is. Is that not fair? For the record I have no close connection to the team. I am just a big tennis fan who loves sports here at Texas A&M.

The main thing that annoys me about these posts is when people like bigfoot makes claims about players such as Kilgo and his facts are simply incorrect. So many things that he states are so wrong that it is almost comical.

I stated her ranking and what star recruit she was, and her results. What about that was incorrect?

Also, the insults towards me are getting old. If you don't want to hear what I have to say, don't reply to my posts.

I am referring to your ITF comment and how that has made her such a better player. If the comments are getting old then maybe you need to see a therapist and talk about your feelings. Does a forum board of anonymity really hurt your feelings that much? Poor guy! I feel so bad that my comments are so hurtful!

Geez, you need help.

Glad I could make you feel good about yourself. I'm done with this board, this crap has gotten ridiculous.

Howlett wasn't cleared by NCAA to play until midseason I think

Just my two cents-Santacroce won mixed twice in high school. Take what you want to think about that with Kilgo.

It's really unfortunate that in such a small community that some posters feel compelled to introduce personal attacks into every discussion.
Everybody here is a tennis fan. Let's just leave the actual discussions to tennis. Is that really too much to ask from fellow Ags?

quote:

---

Nobody has seen her play in a real match at A&M, so there is no way to determine how good or bad she really is

---

You do realize that you're advocating for the elimination of college recruiting, Texags, and 50% of ESPN's business model, right?

Anyways, I just did all this great research on the past 5 years worth of doubles (5A/4A Mixed and Girls) champions have done in college, but IE decided to erase it. Since I'm not going to do it again, I'll post it in summary:

Overall, the doubles champions perform very well at the college level. They're rarely number 1's at the major d-1 level, but some (Sam Adams Texas Tech, and a girl with an unpronouncable name who's now at Harvard) were dominant last year as number two's as freshmen/sophomores respectively.

5A have better results than 4A's, and there are several who either didn't work out D-1 or played for smaller schools, but all-in-all, they've done very well.

Kilgo was the 4A mixed champion with her brother last year. History points to her being at least a decent bottom-of-the-lineup as a freshman, though no guarantees.

[This message has been edited by AGBlastoff (edited 9/23/2011 12:51p).]

Blah, blah, blah.
I just want to see if Joffe can get some of these girls to improve.

I will refrain from coming off so harsh but wow! Mixed doubles as an indicator on how a kid will do in college and we are giving the best junior college player in the nation very little chance of being a good college player. WOW!

You do realize that the ratio is like 2:1 or more like 3:1 foreign to american players. 60-70% of the nationally ranked players are foreign. So when tennisrecruiting states that someone is the 50th best recruit they are really like the 150th best recruit or even worse. So yes tennisrecruiting.net is a very innacurate rating system.

Hey guys, I'm like a couple of others on here recently. We're all Ags (I think) on here, and we're all interested in seeing these kids excel on the courts. After just getting back from the melt down at Kyle this evening can we please take it down a couple of notches on the snide remarks among each other. Joffe is going to have a major job ahead of him that's for sure. But for pity's sakes guys take a break. I personally thank God for Harry's, and Bigfoot's input. We're saying some things on here I wouldn't say to a t-sip.