Was nice to see Breeja drop her first 57 of the season. You can almost hear the collective 's**t' from the rest of the national contenders in that race thinking they had a chance at beating her at NCAA's based on her season results prior to that swim. She's pretty special folks. Glad she's one of ours.

LOB - I bet you are exactly right. The field got faster as a whole, and some of them probably thought "low 59 will be close and I have a chance if I go 58 in finals."

But Breeja crashes through 58 again. Sometimes she gets a bit giddy on that first 50 when the pressure is on. I'd like to see her set a solid pace, and then blow them away in the 2nd 50.

Fantastic 100 back in finals by Paige. She was out slower than Smoliga, but came back faster. Paige has finishing power I don't think she had a few years ago.

Even more fantastic swim by Breeja. I was wrong. She blasted her record. A&M 100 points clear of UF now.

How many of our women would qualified for NCAA this year? Those with A cut can swim their B cut events. What about those invited with B cut, can they also swim their other B cut events.
Comparison of the last couple of years qualified times.
http://www.collegeswimming.com/news/2013/jun/27/2014-ncaa-time-standards-updated/

How many of our women would qualified for NCAA this year? Those with A cut can swim their B cut events. What about those invited with B cut, can they also swim their other B cut events.
Comparison of the last couple of years qualified times.
http://www.collegeswimming.com/news/2013/jun/27/2014-ncaa-time-standards-updated/

The women’s swimming and diving team swept every race contested on day four of the SEC Championships. They are now in second place!

McMahon didn't swim the 200m breaststroke prelims this morning but swam a 2:10.48 in the time trial. Great swim. It seems like we have 4 breaststrokers at NCAA this in the 100m and 200m breaststroke.

McMahon, Sycerika FR Texas A&M-GU NT 2:10.48
r:+0.70 29.23 1:02.10 (32.87)
1:36.24 (34.14) 2:10.48 (34.24)

It is very unlikely the women can catch Georgia with their freestyle strength today. But A&M's women should be able to stay in 2nd.

The men are swimming well but don't have the horsepower and depth now to hang with the top half. McLiney diving really well to win two of three diving events. Very impressive to beat Bonuchi twice.

Breeja Larson's 200m NCAA record was broken.
Notre Dame junior Emma Reaney went 2:04.34 to win the ACC title and break Larson’s mark in Greensboro.

Breeja's 200 swims look ultra controlled based on splits. She went out 1:00.6 and finished 1:04. Reaney was out much faster (59.25) and finished with a slower 2nd 100. I'd guess Breeja was working on her pacing, which sometimes has not be right on the 200 (losing at NCAAs last year). So I think Breeja can get the 200 record back with a slightly faster front half - she knows she has the back half now.

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I have compiled the NCAA A and B cut times for each women swimming event so far. This includes the times from the SEC championship concluded yesterday. I have also included the NCAA cut off times for each event for 2013, just to see where the ladies are. I know the cut off times for 2014 would be different.

200-Yard IM
(NCAA: 1:55.72/2:01.59)
2013 NCAA cut off time 1:58.51
Erica Dittmer 1:55.58 A
Ashley McGregor 1:57.49 B
Caroline McElhany 1:57.58 B
Sycerika McMahon 1:58.08 B
Meredith Oliver 1:58.80 B
Paige Miller 1:59.38 B
Breeja Larson 2:01.38 B

400-Yard IM
(NCAA: 4:05.44/4:19.39)
2013 NCAA cut off time 4:11.92
Sarah Henry 4:03.90 A
Cammile Adams 4:05.42 A
Meredith Oliver 4:17.49 B
Sycerika McMahon 4:17.57 B

100-Yard Butterfly
(NCAA: :51.90/:54.49)
2013 NCAA cut off time 52.99
Paige Miller 52.37 B
Caroline McElhany 52.48 B
Cammile Adams 52.64 B
Liliana Ibañez 53.02 B
Sammie Bosma 53.17 B
Emily Neubert 53.28 B

200-Yard Butterfly
(NCAA: 1:54.54/1:59.59)
2013 NCAA cut off time 1:57.59
Cammile Adams 1:52.19 A
Caroline McElhany 1:54.87 B
Sammie Bosma 1:57.65 B
Emily Neubert 1:58.85 B

100-Yard Backstroke
(NCAA: :51.97/:55.09)
2013 NCAA cut off time 53.21
Paige Miller 50.91 A
Kelli Benjamin 53.08 B
Claire Brandt 53.80 B
Melanie McClure 54.28 B
Maddie Edwards 54.73 B

200-Yard Backstroke
(NCAA: 1:52.71/1:59.19)
2013 NCAA cut off time 1:54.79
Melanie McClure 1:54.01 B
Claire Brandt 1:55.24 B
Maddie Edwards 1:56.17 B
Paige Miller 1:56.37 B

100-Yard Breaststroke
(NCAA: :59.19/1:02.49)
2013 NCAA cut off time 1:00.72
Breeja Larson 57.28 A
Sycerika McMahon 59.35 B
Ashley McGregor 59.55 B
Frankie Jonker 1:00.16 B
Erica Dittmer 1:01.44 B

200-Yard Breaststroke
(NCAA: 2:08.29/2:15.99)
2013 NCAA cut off time 2:11.44
Breeja Larson 2:04.92 A
Ashley McGregor 2:07.38 A
Sycerika McMahon 2:10.48 B
Frankie Jonker 2:11.32 B
Paige Miller 2:13.59 B

50-Yard Freestyle
(NCAA: :21.99/:22.99)
2013 NCAA cut off time 22.45
Erica Dittmer 21.98 A
Liliana Ibañez 22.07 B
Breeja Larson 22.37 B
Sammie Bosma 22.39 B

100-Yard Freestyle
(NCAA: :47.96/:49.99)
2013 NCAA cut off time 49.00
Liliana Ibañez 48.18 B
Sammie Bosma 48.72 B
Erica Dittmer 48.87 B
Kelli Benjamin 49.16 B
Meredith Oliver 49.19 B

200-Yard Freestyle
(NCAA: 1:43.91/1:47.99)
2013 NCAA cut off time 1:46.10
Liliana Ibañez 1:43.75 A
Kelli Benjamin 1:45.48 B
Meredith Oliver 1:45.73 B
Sammie Bosma 1:46.88 B
Ellen Quirke 1:47.39 B

500-Yard Freestyle
(NCAA: 4:37.01/4:47.79)
2013 NCAA cut off time 4:42.90
Cammile Adams 4:35.67 A
Sarah Henry 4:36.52 A
Colleen Konetzke 4:44.01 B

1,650-Yard Freestyle
(NCAA: 15:98.41/16:30.59)
2013 NCAA cut off time 16:19.32
Sarah Henry 15:52.74 A
Colleen Konetzke 16:16.55 B


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Great post Trini. Really gives terrific perspective of what's been accomplished.

I'm curious if the DQ on the 400IM was on the Start or the Turn?!

I'm not an Olympic Gold medalist nor a a collegiate official, but I don't know why you can't call that?! I'd have to see the video. At the SEC Championships... are they using 2 Officials per side (in other words each watching 4 lanes) or one per lane?

On the start, you are transitioning from Back, which is a finish on the back. It would seem to be a very clear and easy call.

Go to the 2:15 mark of the men's Olympic Trials...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nJHF_AELVc

I don't see any turbulence, bubble...

This one is the actual Men's 200IM Olympics... at the 4:35 mark is the transition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTbbnhnnMQU

It provides the underwater view... which shows all of the swimmers submerged through the dolphin kicks (ie no bubbles). True the water isn't still... but it should show that an Official standing directly above the lane should be able to make the call if a 2nd dolphin kick were taken.

Now the frequency it is called and the strictness of the official...

If the 400 IM DQ was on breaststroke, it could not have been on a start since breaststroke is the second stroke. There are four turns where the dolphin kicks are part of a breastroke turn in the 400 IM. In past championship meets they have one judge per lane per end of the pool.

The problem with judging dolphin kicks is to distinguish between undulation and actual kicks with a downward motion. In my experience, that is not so easy to judge, especially from behind the swimmer.

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A couple B cut time trial notes:

Neubert 53.09 Fly, McElhany 22.68 50 free, Brandt 22.82 50 free.

Here's what we sort of know right now on both sides. No A cuts for the men but sitting in excellent position and most likely in are Frank (4IM), Lindau (1Fly), and Schweitzer (2Free). Sitting OK but maybe needing another meet to go faster are Bolleter and Troskot (both 50). Close, but definitely still needing to drop time is Duplechain (4IM). Once you have at least one person qualify for the meet you can take, I believe, up to 4 relay alternates. It would be nice for at least one of the 50 guys to make it so they can take all their 800 free relay depth, too. McLiney making the meet and diving at his SEC meet level would obviously be a tremendous boost.

For the women, in with A cuts are Adams, Dittmer, Henry, Ibanez, Larson, McGregor, Miller. McMahon safe with her 1Breast time, McElhany safe with her 2Fly time, McClure should be safe with her 2Back time. In good position but not locks yet are Benjamin (2Free) and Jonker (1Breast). A little more precarious are Bosma (1Free), Oliver (2Free) and Konetzke (Mile). A few others need a last chance to go faster.

All in all a pretty successful meet.

Spice

I mostly lurk on the swimming threads. You always post good information.

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If the 400 IM DQ was on breaststroke, it could not have been on a start since breaststroke is the second stroke. There are four turns where the dolphin kicks are part of a breastroke turn in the 400 IM.

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Correct, there are four "turns." The transition from back-to-breast is not a "start" in the sense the beginning of the event, it is considered a "turn." Sorry if I wasn't clear.

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In past championship meets they have one judge per lane per end of the pool.

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Thanks. That was what I expected. The question regarded whether the official was directly above the swimmer, or potentially at an angle. Not that it mattered, I was just curious.

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The problem with judging dolphin kicks is to distinguish between undulation and actual kicks with a downward motion. In my experience, that is not so easy to judge, especially from behind the swimmer.

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Totally agree. That was the reference to my strictness. It would be a very difficult call to make (especially at that level), but I'd think they'd be in perfect view.

DallasAg - your points were good ones. I am not a USA Swimming official, though I went to officials class and have watched a bunch of races including collegians. I find that the better the swimmer, the more turbulence. And judging some things is easier from the side than straight behind.

I didn't see Cammille's or Paige's IM races so I have no idea if they deserved their DQs. But in general since they are both weak breaststroke swimmers, they are the least likely to try an extra kick. They don't practice it enough nor race breaststroke enough for that kind of the thing to fell normal and repeatable. Both are excellent fly swimmers, so their natural undulation underwater is probably stronger than most.

At the meet the womens assistant coach was griping about it until she saw the video, then responded with "oh". one could safely assume there was an extra kick based off of the reaction

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