In the span of 3 days, Benjamin Becker (ranked #8 in the nation) plays #4 singles, #2 singles and #1 singles (ahead of #1 ranked Dorsch).

Now I don't have a problem with them playing him #1 ahead of Dorsch, but FOUR?!?! In what universe can you justify playing the #8 player in the nation at line 4 singles on your team? They better not bring these shady tactics to College Station when we play them in April.

if they pull that crap against us i say we put lester at 3, ante at 4, dakki at 5, and joelson at 6.

oh yeah, and lester/ante at #2 dubs.

Not that I would EVER defend the Baylor men's tennis program, but I hope Aggie tennis fans don't say the same thing if Coach Cass tinkers with the lineup. Look at last Saturday when he played No. 72 Mohamed Dakki ahead of No. 6 Ante Matijevic against SELA. The rankings are just that, rankings. But I don't think the rankings have anything to do with the ability level of each player. It just means they have results against certain other ranked players. Now, is BU coach playing his lineup based on ability? I believe that's the only criteria he has to use. Rankings do not play a factor.

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rankings are just that, rankings. But I don't think the rankings have anything to do with the ability level of each player

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So dorsch being ranked 1 as nothing to do with his ability.Wow this board never ceases to amaze me. Also dude basing everything on abilities is largely subjective so rankings are what other coaches use to gauge someone's ability. Get it. So when an opposing coach sees the 5th rankend player playing four something is fishy.

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Gaylor always has stacked their team and always will. Look at last year, Newp beats Bene so next time we play them becker is at 1 and bene's at 2. They always stack their team, also look at Igor, they had him playing 6 last year, he got ranked up to like #70. Gaylor has always been stacked and always will.

3.2.1...All the gaylor idiots will soon be over here with their crap...Sir Edumund Bearkre has to be the biggest dumbass of them all. He honors me also by using my quote in his sig line.

I will be front and center for the Gaylor Match, might be a little toasty and sway off center a little but its all for grins. Aggie11 do I know you? IM me at JTHRebel21

Here's a good article explaining exactly what stacking is...

http://www.staugustine.com/stories00/030500/stacking.shtml

they did the same thing last year and I believe they justified it by saying that their top 4 are all about the same, so he thinks he can move them around. I think the reason that Dakki played #1 is that we were playing SELU, which isnt exactly a threat (no offense to jason hayes, their coach, they are a good team, but not on the same level yet). you can move guys around against lower teams and it doesnt really matter.

Maybe that queer coach really does think his top 4 are that even or something. Never know, he is a Gaylor bear.

lvorak at six last yr was not a stack, he was ranked around 75-85 but dorsch was ranked 1, becker top 10, marin was top 35, papp before his injury was top 50, neuhor was ranked about the same as lovrak, but more experienced....i agree having becker and dorsch at 4 sometimes is a little shady but he is just trying to get marin and zgaga ranked high enough to qualify for ncaa's, its somewhat similar to what stanford did when they rotated 1-4 with the bryans, kim, and goldstein but not quiet as legit... Good luck against LSU next week. That will be a big match and its always intense rivalry and there is always some fireworks at LSU.

I understand what you mean Cory but they would play other players above Igor sometimes which was a stack. Also Papp was hurt for a good while and with that injury it was a stack. Igor was playing a lot better than papp at that time and the gaylor coach didnt want to move Igor because it was a free point at 6... I might be wrong but thats what I saw from it.

i agree with the fact that putting papp in protected the bottom of the lineup and kept everything in place.

Never stacked in my life, never will. Unlike some, I have a conscience, and wouldn't take pleasure winning "no matter the costs". When was the last time the "squares" had more than 2 players from the US?

Whatever happened to Cass' crusade against Baylor and his accusations that several of the foreign players were professional? After stirring that up right before the NCAAs last year, here we are several months later and it doesn't seem like anything at all came of it. What happened?

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The NCAA concluded that Gaylor was not worth the time and effort because it is a school filled with arrogant pri(ks that can not leave their moms nipple for long enough to play pro tennis. I dont know what happened really but the NCAA will watch Gaylors ass harder now (pun intended). I think thats basically what Cass wanted was for Baylor to have heat on them because they are flirting with that line very closly.

Its funny because Gaylor was the most pathetic program in the nation before Knoll got there.I can't really blame him for getting foregin kids what good American wants to waste away at Baylor. There are so many other options, tu, aTm, Stanford, USC, etc.

The reason Baylor is able to pull it off is because, how is some foreigner supposed to know what the heck the difference between Baylor and USC is. To him its all the same, its in America. I dont know how Knoll pulls it off though. He has got a team full of guys who could play 1,2 at any number of ranked teams in the country. There has to be something going on at these places like Baylor, VCU, South Alabama, where they are pulling in guys who could be out winning futures and what not. When your number one is winning rounds in the main draw in a challenger and he is from Baylor or some school that most people havent heard of some red flags need to go up. I dont know how the NCAA can police it though. How are they going to question records from places like Yugoslavia, Croatia, Hungary. Having international players here has definitely made the game stronger, but has brought with it many problems.

Thanks for all the intelligent replies. A simple "I don't know" would have sufficed.

My new favorite Gaylor tennis player is Zgaga. He is about to turn 21, yet hes only a freshman in college. Most other college players that are 21 are juniors except at Gaylor where thats a freshman. The guy has been playing in futures since 2000 and it isnt like he keeps losing first round. He has made the semi's and the quarters and is a college freshman. THATS SOME CRAP! Guess its all the Gaylor way though.

Just think of him as the Mark Farris of collegiate tennis.

Farris played baseball then football, if Farris had played pro football then came to the aggies that would be different, last time i checked, baseball and football were two completely different things. Its not as if he is Dorsch or Zgaga or any other Baylor starter who is off playing club tennis for money in Germany, then calling themselves amateurs when they get to the U.S. as 20 and 21 year old Freshmans.

Except that Mark Farris didn't play professionally IN THE SPORT that he played in college.

Sic---HOW STUPID!!!

It would have been different if Farris had been playing in the XFL or CFL but he hadnt been playing the same sport. However had be been in the XFL or CFL he probably would have had to go to Gaylor because that is the only school that is classless enough to pull that crap. Knoll is a classless clown coach, he should go to tech and finish the laugh.

If you do the math, Zgaga is still 20 years old. In any event, he's the same age as any Mormon athlete who went on a mission. My intent with the remark about Farris was regarding age only. Farris was a professional baseball player but that obviously did not affect his college football eligibility.

Similarly, Zgaga obviously isn't a professional tennis player or the NCAA wouldn't have cleared him, so I'm wondering why some of you are even bringing that up and calling Coach Knoll classless, etc.

Another thing, what's with all the Gaylor crap? Grow up, it's not like I'm calling you ***gies or something juvenile like that.

Your right sic em. Zgaga might not be a professional tennis player. But he is not mormom. He hasnt been serving in the military, so what has he been doing for the last two years since he got out of high school. hmmm............ From the way i understand the rules you are allowed to sit out for one year after high school which for him might be the case. But the fact that Baylor has a few other guys sitting in the exact same boat makes you wonder. No one would be talking about this if it wasnt for the fact that Baylor has been in trouble before.

I will tell you why I call Knoll classless.... HE IS!!! He knows that pulling in those guys is shady but he doesnt care at all. I cant respect a coach that doesnt care about the sport or american juniors but only cares about his own damn contract.

As for the name Gaylor, I visited Gaylor and debated going there, me and my dad were talking to an advisor and after talking for about 10 minutes and hearing about the bible study and all the crap about they like their students to be "pure" and not drink or smoke or anything I told my dad the school seemed pretty gay and we thanked her and left. Plus the name kind of humors me a little.

In April or May 1997 when a prospective men's tennis student-athlete visited the institution, the institution failed to comply with NCAA legislation regarding official paid visits. Specifically, the institution did not provide the prospect a five-visit limitation letter, did not obtain the prospect's academic transcript and standardized test scores, and did not limit the visit to 48 hours.

Between September 1997 and March 1999 the head men's tennis coach directed three post-eligible men's tennis student-athletes, who were each receiving full noncountable institutional financial aid grants, to make payments toward the rent expenses of two other men's tennis student-athletes both of whom were receiving only partial athletically related grants-in-aid while actively competing for the institution. As a direct result of the head men's tennis coach's statements, one post-eligible student-athlete paid approximately $850 towards the rent while the other two post-eligible student-athletes each paid approximately $225 toward the rent. The head men's tennis coach's instructions to have the housing expenses of two student-athletes paid by three other student-athletes violated NCAA legislation on financial aid limitations.

This type of stuff also makes yall look really classy eh?

You conveniently left out the fact that Baylor self-reported these violations and that Knoll received some incorrect information from a compliance officer that led to the problems.

A lot of your post sounds like sour grapes. Knoll doesn't care about the sport? Only his contract? Yeah, right.

It seems that you're saying that if you have a few foreign players, that's great but if you have several like Knoll, then you're shady.

Have any of his players not been cleared by the NCAA?

I think a lot of the complaining I see about Knoll is a direct result of who's winning and who's losing.

Sic'em
Several is a bit of an understatement. How about all but 2 and those 2 never play??? Talk about tokens. It is sad when the token for a college team is the American

I'm not sad about that. Recruit the best players you can get.

Well if you have to win with old men, then go at it. But don't expect respect.
Jan

Yes it is sad. There are many tennis players here in the US that are basically told, don't even bother, because the scholarships go to overseas players who play for "clubs and on the circuit".
Blinn used to do the same thing in Track. Won the junior college championships year after year. All foreign tracksters with one or 2 tokens. Finally the NCAA members got fed up and boom. There is now a rule affectionately called the Blinn Rule that limits the percentage of foreign athletes allowed. Baylor hasn't won enough to raise the ire yet. But what goes around comes around. Then the poor bears will have the Baylor Rule to live with.

JDancer, do you respect your player Dakki when he wins? He's 24 years old.