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But the main point here is...7-2-1. That says it all.

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If we are looking at history...lets look at the overall record:...19-10-12

Or better yet...since you like meaningless and selective information, let's look at a neutral site...the FIFA world ranking...

1 Brazil
2 Argentina
3 Netherlands
4 Czech Republic
5 Mexico
6 USA

Just like I said before. Things seems to be back where they belong....





[This message has been edited by Netbreaker (edited 9/8/2005 8:28p).]

Net - Let's look at that same neutral site in 5 days. Sept 14th the new rankings come out from FIFA. Enjoy the next five days, after that you'll be back where you belong.

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If we are looking at history...lets look at the overall record:...19-10-12

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Yeah, this speaks to where the two countries used to be. 7-2-1 over a 6 year span speaks to where they are now. That's not just some selective time frame...it represents the rosters as they exist at this point in time. The pendulum has swung and Mexico is no longer the the "giant of CONCACAF" as they claim. It irritates your coaches, players and fans to no end, and that's why you all act like jerks toward US soccer. You won't ever admit it, and that's fine, but the US is better now...it just makes it that much sweeter when the US beats you jackasses. Like birdman said, enjoy that #5 ranking while you can. Our classy soccer team is about to pass that bunch of primadonnas, floppers, and cheap shot artists you call a team in 5 days. Hope you enjoy playing second fiddle.

"we're the giants of concacaf"

that quote is hilarious.

[This message has been edited by computerico (edited 9/8/2005 10:36p).]

I wouldn't say we are way better than mexico, because they ARE a world class team, just like we are.

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The first tie breaker is goal difference. Both teams have +11. The second is total goals scored, and Mexico is in first place based on that.

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Not arguing with you, but where do you get that it is total goals scored? I posted a quote from the FIFA site that said Mexico was second to USA (it did not say based on what, that is why I was thinking it was the aggregate goals in head to head, 3-2 for USA).

OK, now this article from FIFA is saying USA is second in the group:
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/050909/1/4lun.html
And it states at the bottom based on total goals scored. I still think aggregrate head to head should be considered, who cares if you score 5 goals on Panama?

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2-0. I love that scoreline.

The funny thing is that the results against the US irritate the Mexican players and press so much that instead of looking for ways to re-establish dominance over the US, they whine and cry like a bunch of babies about the US tactics, or how unfair it is that Bruce Arena doesn't have the pressure that Ricardo Lavolpe has. They even consider firing a coach that has gotten them qualified with 2 games left, and Mexican players have to threaten to boycott the national team in order to save his job.

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If we are looking at history...lets look at the overall record:...19-10-12

Or better yet...since you like meaningless and selective information, let's look at a neutral site...the FIFA world ranking...

1 Brazil
2 Argentina
3 Netherlands
4 Czech Republic
5 Mexico
6 USA


Just like I said before. Things seems to be back where they belong....

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Wait? Didn't Mexico beat Brazil in the Confederations Cup? Why aren't they number 1 then? It couldn't be because the FIFA rankings aren't worth the paper they are written on is it? (and I'll still claim that fact when the US passes Mexico in a couple days) Way to use as "evidence" (and I use that term loosely) a tool that is widely criticized for being worthless. It really strengthens your position...


19-10-12...true enough. But I tell you what, if dominating the US in the 70's, 80's, and early 90's is reason for you to rejoice and wet yourself...go ahead. I won't stop you. Personally, results from three decades ago would ring a little hollow for me but if that's what gets you off, go ahead. I'll just stick to the stats that matter...what's happened in the recent past and present.

7-2-1...take a good look at it because the number on the left is only getting higher.

Let me put in a way you can understand. My original quote stated:

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since you like MEANINGLESS and selective information, let's look at a neutral site...the FIFA world ranking...

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I hope this is clear enough for you this time....

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Wait? Didn't Mexico beat Brazil in the Confederations Cup? Why aren't they number 1 then?

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With your faulty logic, you are assuming that the u.s. will pass Mexico in the rankings whe Mexico did not move up after beating the World Champs?

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hahaha

Who the hell responds to "scoreboard" with "standings"??!!?

Do me a favor "netbreaker" and transfer to Tceh where you belong. Pathetic!

More like transfer back to mexico, mirite!

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Not arguing with you, but where do you get that it is total goals scored? I posted a quote from the FIFA site that said Mexico was second to USA (it did not say based on what, that is why I was thinking it was the aggregate goals in head to head, 3-2 for USA).

OK, now this article from FIFA is saying USA is second in the group:
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/050909/1/4lun.html
And it states at the bottom based on total goals scored. I still think aggregrate head to head should be considered, who cares if you score 5 goals on Panama?

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FIFA's tie breakers have always been this way as far as I'm aware. The only competition that I know of that uses head to head as their first tie breaker is the UEFA Champions League.

"I feel like we have some unfinished business." - Chris Walker
On the bandwagon since birth. Raised in the bleachers of Kyle, Olsen, and G. Rollie White

NetBreaker
Do you do a regular search for the word Mexico on texags?

Well, It seems that you guys need to transfer to Tech due to your faulty logic, Tech is better than A&M because of the last series of results...right?

I don't think so...



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Actually...nevermind. It's really not worth it anymore.

[This message has been edited by Dre_00 (edited 9/10/2005 3:29p).]

pwned

Sooner Boomer,

Please do not compare the MLS to the Mexican league................MLS is a joke.

Just an opinion from somebody that has followed soccer for over 30 years.

andy, growing up in San Antonio, I have also followed the Mexican leagues before MLS. And while the Mexican leagues are decent I would be hard pressed to put them in a home and home aggregate series against the best MLS teams.

the mexican league sucks bro. mls is better.

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FIFA's tie breakers have always been this way as far as I'm aware. The only competition that I know of that uses head to head as their first tie breaker is the UEFA Champions League

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Copa Liberatordes

MLS is a joke people, put down your red, white and blue glasses..............the fact hat you think that the MLS is good just goes to show you how ignorant you are about international futbol.

How did this discussion deteriorate into a MLS vs. Mexican Leauge argument? The quality of the professional leagues in each country has no place in the argument of whose national team is better. If that's what Mexico fans are stooping to, that just shows how frustrated they are with the fact that the US is better.

Did you see me say anything about the MLS being on the same level as the serie a, or bundedliga, or EPL, or even the dutch league? no, I just said its as good as the mexican league. Thats a fact, jack. the mls also doesn't "suck", its just not on the level of the other leagues, and may never be because of the amount of money available.

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And while the Mexican leagues are decent I would be hard pressed to put them in a home and home aggregate series against the best MLS teams.

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Actually, that happens rather frequently and often the MLS side gets schooled. Most recently DC United faced UNAM in the CONCACAF version of champions league and lost 6-1 on aggregate if memory serves me correctly. Personally, I think MLS is inferior to the Mexican league. Even with a weaker league though, our national team is as good as Mexico.

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Net - Let's look at that same neutral site in 5 days. Sept 14th the new rankings come out from FIFA. Enjoy the next five days, after that you'll be back where you belong.

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Well polls are out. Mexico kept it's fifth place and the U.S. dropped to seventh... It seems this useless poll kept Mexico where it belongs after all...

Smack aside, Concacaf is a joke and it is good to have a team like the U.S. to care about World Cup qualifying. Rivalries are always more fun...



[This message has been edited by Netbreaker (edited 9/14/2005 11:04p).]

As it is in all things, Mexico should be below the US in the poll

so weird to see a team that lost claim dominance...good spin though. you sound like the mexican government, and i use that term loosely, claiming nuevo laredo is a perfectly safe destination.

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Ha! It took you longer than a thought to post after the polls came out. First thing I thought to myself when I saw them was...****!

Rivalries are indeed more fun and create passion which is something that US Soccer sorely lacks at all levels. Unless there's another WC showdown, we won't be playing each other for quite a while although knowing that there's a Mexican national team suporter that lurks, I'll make sure and talk smack every now and then should the opportunity arise.

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2-0.

The FIFA poll blows my mind. I guess I have no idea how it works. Maybe if Arena had decided to blow the doors off Guatemala like Lavolpe did to Panama we might have leapfrogged Mexico and not been passed by France. Who knows.

Anyway, I at least hope that we use some semblance the A team for the remaining qualifies. Otherwise, those games don't promise to be very exciting. The World Cup can't get here fast enough.