The Houston 1836 Controversy

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Netbreaker
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I agree that from a marketing standpoint the name is not the best, (pretty stupid actually) but this guy takes it to the extreme. I don't see anything wrong of depicting Sam HOUSTON as part of the logo...

On a side note. Mexicans do not care in general about the MLS (which IMO is quite inferior to the Mexican league). They are just waiting to the day Chivas or America come to town to play.

I guess the name is not as stupid after all if the MLS officials realize that.

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Kicking around Houston 1836
Soccer team sends the wrong message to Latinos


By RAÚL A. RAMOS


By naming the team Houston 1836, the newly arrived Major League Soccer franchise has chosen to identify with a year that may divide the city rather than unite it. While the team intends to highlight Houston's founding along the banks of Buffalo Bayou, the year also commemorates the defeat of the Mexican Army by a largely Anglo Texan militia at the Battle of San Jacinto. Whether by ignorance or design, choosing 1836 has the potential to alienate Houstonians of Mexican origin, a group that is surely a large part of the team's fan base.

The year 1836 was, no doubt, a significant year in history. As a 19th-century historian, I welcome the attention the team name brings to what I feel is a misunderstood era. But choosing 1836 sends the wrong message at the wrong time. Texans of Mexican decent constantly struggle to identify with a place that was created out of Mexican defeat.

Houston stands perched to take its place among the economic centers of the Americas, thanks in great part to its sizable Latino population. This is not the time to exclude us.

This team name comes at a time of increased awareness of how mascots and names can stereotype or offend Americans. Last year, the National Collegiate Athletic Association scrutinized the use of Native Americans in team names such as the Florida State Seminoles and the Carthage College Redmen (now Red Men). Team names such as the Atlanta Braves and Washington Redskins sound anachronistic to modern ears. Not long ago the Washington Bullets changed their name to Wizards for similar reasons.

Thus it came as a surprise to me, and many of my students and colleagues, to hear 1836. Some thought it was a joke when I mentioned it. Surely the team must have anticipated this response if they knew anything about Texas history.

Lately I have noticed college students taking a more cynical or media savvy approach to explaining these marketing terms. One student in my class thought the name was a ploy to get attention for the team and that the real name would could later. But all of them saw the contradiction inherent in naming the team 1836 while expecting Latino fans to attend games.

Team officials state that 1836 was primarily chosen to represent the city's founding. A team name doesn't have the luxury of explaining itself. The link to Texas secession from Mexico during the Texas Revolution is inescapable.

The team logo compounds the connection by depicting Sam Houston on horseback, leading the charge against Mexican troops. What other conclusion can we draw?

While the year represents Texas independence, it also raises the complicated and sometimes shameful history that came along with it. Initially seen as economic boosters, Anglo American immigrants brought slavery and failed to keep contracts made with state officials. For Mexicans, Texas secession started the process of American conquest culminating in the invasion of Mexico in 1846 and the loss of almost half its territory. Few would disagree that Texas independence was an important chapter in the imperial story of American Manifest Destiny.

Houston has undergone many transformations and reinventions since 1836. Digging the Ship Channel, the Galveston hurricane of 1900, discovering oil and sending a man to the moon all took place since then and all changed the face of the city. Naming the team 1836 smacks of nostalgia for a time when Mexican people were absent or at least knew their place.

Another student in class generously noted that perhaps the team took for granted Latino fans and wanted to increase Anglo interest with this team name. Perhaps soccer is already too identified with Latin America and Europe Perhaps this is retribution for the vocal support the Mexican national team receives when it comes to town.

A more sinister reading suggests the team wants Latino aficionados, but only on their terms. Those terms are leaving your heritage, identity and family at the door.

The team has started its relationship with the Latino community off on the wrong foot. Short of changing the name, the team needs to make extra efforts to appear open to Latino Houstonians.

Only then, and by removing Sam Houston from the logo, will the team come to symbolize the promise of a global capital.

Ramos is assistant professor, Department of History, University of Houston.


dubag
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The way I see it is that most of the Mexicans that are in Houston are there because it offers a better quality of life than in Mexico, so kicking their asses 150 years ago and claiming Texas actually helped them in the long run. Why complain about that?
H.E. Pennypacker1
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I'm Hispanic, and I don't think this is a big deal at all. This guy has a problem w/ the date because he is a historian of sorts while most regular people probably won't care.
TxTarpon
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...Houstonians of Mexican origin, a group that is surely a large part of the team's fan base.


Somehow "Cowboys" was not offensive. I seem to recall how anglo cowboys used to get rowdy and look down at Mexicans.
"Texas Rangers" was not offensive.

This columnist is suffering from "Slow Newsday Syndrome". Perhaps he is still boycotting Howard Stern after his anti-Selena comments from 1995. I watch the Mexican league. I like the Dorados. They suck. But they still fill the stands in a way our MLS cannot.
bknetag
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here is the bottom line. and I work for the team. so this IS the horses mouth

the team name only refers to the year the city of Houston was founded. This is similar to European clubs that use the year the club was founded or the year the city was foudned.

of course there will be some controversy but it has NOTHING to do with Texas winning independence.
Triple H
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Dude, you know a sports writer is hard-up for material to write about when he hits the MLS.

If you like soccer, I suggest you folllow soccer outside of the US. Here, it sucks nuts!
H.E. Pennypacker1
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TXTarpon has a good point. To the best of my knowledge, no one has ever complained about the Texas Rangers name and the Rangers have a bad history with South Texas Hispanics.
Gap
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Are any of our anglo-American friends offended by the names New England Patriots or Massachusetts Minutemen?

I'm not. I am proud to be on this side of the ocean and would have been even more so in 1776 given the circumstances.
La Fours
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i had no idea that the mexicans in texas were struggling with living in a place that comes from a mexican defeat.
La Fours
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and how many latinos, much less whites know what the word "anachronistic" means.
AG@RICE
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I would think the mexicans would like this better than the other option that nearly missed out...the Houston "8 guys w/ 2 lawn mowers in the back of a pickup truck"s...

Quad Dog
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Got to agree that the name brought attention to something most people wouldn't care about, so that's a good thing.
BBRex
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The line at the end says he's a history professor, not a sports reporter. That might expain why he's uptight.

It's hard to change the date a city was founded just to make it more palatable. On the other hand, it probably wouldn't have been too much of a stretch to figure out that some Latinos would have an issue with this.

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Sooner Born
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This is some PC bulls**t if you ask me.
bknetag
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AMEN sooner.

we are getting the right amount of controversy from it. we want people talking about it. when we are in the playoffs no one will care.
Sooner Born
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when we are in the playoffs no one will care.


Unless you also use the slogan, "Houston 1836, Home of the 12th Man"

keiser
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Houston 1836 is a pretty stupid and ghey moniker for a team. Who ever chose it did a horrible job, even apart from its potential for controversy.

Why would anyone even take a chance with that name when half or more of your potential audience is Latino.

Its pure stupidity.

Gap
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Do Mexican-Americans yearn for the days of Santa Anna's dictator? Do they wish for a dictatorship in Mexico today? I know that I don't yearn to return to the rule under King George of England before 1776.

What is the difference that I'm missing here?
BigJim49 AustinNowDallas
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Mexicans fought with us at the Alamo and San Jacinto!
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yes, Juan Seguin was a brigade/regiment commander at San Jacinto.

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also, I don't think most Mexicans in Houston know anything about the battle of san jacinto.
Sooner Born
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also, I don't think most Mexicans in Houston know anything about the battle of san jacinto.

The problem is that as soon as someone has a chance to be upset about something, you had better believe they will take full advantage of it and try and get their 15 minutes.
houstontexan
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if they have a hard time choosing to leave their "heritage" at the door, they need to move back to mexico. there are very high paying job in their home country and the economy is doing great! just go on home...they need you back there...

as for the latin americans who take pride in their new home, welcome aboard!
Fat Bib Fortuna
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The day the team got its name, one of the local Houston stations sent a Hispanic reporter out to Lee High School and its surrounding neighborhoods to ask people what they thought about the name. Four HS soccer players and 2 local area business owners had no idea what the 1836 stood for, so I doubt they were holding too much of a grudge about a war fought 170 years ago.
Jock92
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Quit worrying about your silly numerical name and start worry about May 6th when FC Dallas comes to town to whip yer sorry arses!
SmartGuy
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couldnt it at least been the 1836ers??
Ag2k1
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if they have a hard time choosing to leave their "heritage" at the door, they need to move back to mexico

Wow, it's amazing that someone would make that kind of comment even under the protection of internet anonymity. Americans used to be proud of not making people leave their heritage at the door.

Houston 1836 is a poor choice in my opinion. Regardless of how most Hispanics may feel about it, I doubt Houstonians in general will feel any connection with it at all. They get points for trying to be unconventional, but I think they may have gone too far for the average fan to get behind it.
CadeLBB
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Houston 1836 is a poor choice in my opinion. Regardless of how most Hispanics may feel about it, I doubt Houstonians in general will feel any connection with it at all.


A poor choice as opposed to what? Mustangs? Sockers? It's a name, give it a rest.
Ag2k1
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Just trying to give an opinion. If you like it, go with it.
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