mark weaver is a great hire.

http://www.aggieathletics.com/pressRelease.php?SID=WTE&PRID=13414

i'll second that..

just to pose a question to some of y'all, i am very excited about next semester, however I kind of get the feeling from people surrounding the team and going to the matches that we aren't acquiring the talent or developing it very well with Kleinecke at the helm. It's like he's coaching to keep his job instead of coaching to win.

On this hire, i do hope it brings new fortunes, however just as a personal observation, it seems that most of the girls have not developed a part of their games that i deem really important, a net game. In fact none of the girls have a net game at all, they never come up to finish points, but just sit back with a baseline game and try to play that way. Personally i think that is a big mistake because that's a huge part of the game that they do not take advantage of.

Now i understand that the talent level their playing is good enough to do offensive lobs and pass people at the net, but i think it is a mistake to ignore that part of the game altogether. If someone expects to get into a ground game, doing a serve-and-volley or hitting it deep and then sneeking up to the net when they don't expect it to put the ball away is a nice changeup just to keep their opponents on their heels. The way I see it, in tennis if you take someone out of their game, then you can beat them every time. But, this only works if you can diversify your game to have an all around game, if you can adapt to what your opponent is doing.

FTA — I don't know enough about tennis to say if he's a good coach or not. I would think as head coach his job is more of a CEO role and the assistants do more of the hands on coaching.
That being said, You seem to have something against Kleinecke based on many of your posts in this forum. If you think you can do better, send $Bill your resume and apply for the job. I see enough coach smack on the football board, I would prefer to not have tennis pot-bangers as well.
I look forward to this season and all the excitement that comes with it. Crocker Hall will again be out in force to yell for our Ags.
GIG'EM

Mark is an excellent hire know more than Coach K. He will run the team pretty much now. Great Hire.

The last 3 years have been pretty underwhelming. This hire probably needs to pay off for Kleinecke.

I wouldnt go as far as saying Mark knows more than Coach K about coaching, but for playing, you couldnt hire a better guy. He played on the tour for a few years, still goes out and beats top juniors and college players handily. He will be a great asset to this team, and will bring something new to the table. He loves A&M more than any other former player I know, which will definitely help. Congrats Mark!

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I wouldnt go as far as saying Mark knows more than Coach K about coaching, but for playing, you couldnt hire a better guy. He played on the tour for a few years, still goes out and beats top juniors and college players handily. He will be a great asset to this team, and will bring something new to the table. He loves A&M more than any other former player I know, which will definitely help. Congrats Mark!

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Lets See the article said that Weaver was a private Coach at Briarcrest and traveling with a player. I think that means he can coach not just play. In my opinion Coach K is lucky to be where he is. Never do you see a high schoool coach get hired to a Div 1 program these days. Coach K seems to be in over his head. I don't think they've been past the second round in the NCAA's in a awhile. Also, I think someone who played on tour might have a little more insight.

He coached old ladies at Briarcrest, and a few good juniors. Its not the same as coaching college girls.

And "these days", refering to Coach K. He was hired in 1985. It was normal in "those days". He is still doing a great job, and if I remember correctly, Coach Cass got past the 3rd round once, and people thought he was a god.

Get off Coach K's back, unless you think you can do better. Hes one of the most respected and longest tenured coaches in the nation. Obviously hes doing something right.

Majorie knew more about tennis than Coach K, maybe Mark will push us over the hump. Though, i digress because I'm probably still bitter about losing to t.u for the Big XII championship last year, not many chances do you get to put away baylor, and we didn't take it.

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He coached old ladies at Briarcrest, and a few good juniors. Its not the same as coaching college girls.

And "these days", refering to Coach K. He was hired in 1985. It was normal in "those days". He is still doing a great job, and if I remember correctly, Coach Cass got past the 3rd round once, and people thought he was a god.

Get off Coach K's back, unless you think you can do better. Hes one of the most respected and longest tenured coaches in the nation. Obviously hes doing something right

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Hey genius please show me where a freaking hs coach goes to Div 1 it never happens..and its a freaking opinion is your only response go coach and see if you can do better. So everyone commenting on Fran the rebuttal is go see if you can do better surely you can do better than that. If someone plays on the tour vs someone who taught high school kids I would take the tour player. Get a clue buddy.

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.s. - endecag, you didn't go to college did you?

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You didn't actually go to college did you? Because your whole post makes absolute no sense.

So I guess by your standards Coach K is a better coach than agassi? Give me a break buddy. You've no clue about the rigors of the pro game or what it takes to make in on the pro tour. You think because your one of the old timers who forces them self on the Aggie Tennis program that you know a lot give me a break you're clueless. I will take a someone with coaching ability and pro experience over a high school coach we'll see who has better results. Sound a like a fair bet. Please stop posting you're embarrassing yourself.

P.S Harry You've played tennis before right?


Snicker.

and that WAS normal in 1985. Jeff Wallace, the women's coach at UGA (who has won two national titles) had just wrapped up his eligibility as a player at UGA in '85 when the school found itself in the same situation and asked him to coach. He had no better options and though he didn't want to coach women's tennis, he begrudgingly accepted. He was 22 or 23 when they hired him, so yes - high school coaches and just-out-of-college kids were what even the big name schools were hiring in those days.

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High School coach vs Division I player are you kidding?

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would claim that a coach with as much success as Kleinecke is in over his head.

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What success? His counterpart in Texas has one multiple NCAA championships. I guess since he has been around since the beginning we should just leave it as such right?


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Yes, I would REALLY rather have a guy who was a great college player, played a little arena league football back in the day, and has been coaching pee wee ever since than I would have a guy that was a mediocre player and started off as a high school football coach and now has 20+ years of head coaching experience and some of the best credentials in college football today.

Yeah I'll take that Arena league guy all the way because he once ran a WAY faster 40 time than the well-respected, hugely successful college coach. [/sarcasm]

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WTF is this supposed to mean?????

As much fun as this e-fight is, I don't know enough to jump in. I'll just dip a toe in.
I will say that just because someone is a great player, does not mean they will be a great coach. for those of you saying "he played this, he played that, so he must be a better coach" just know playing /= coaching.

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[Knock it off with this or you will be gone. -Staff]

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I was underimpressed when meeting coach K, as he did seem like a good ole boy Texas hs tennis coach. That said he's done a decent job here.

The difference between him and Cass is that Cass had a chance to make the program great and almost made it. The women's program will never be close to great under Coach K IMHO.

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Endec-

Youre a moron. End of story.

What is your background in tennis, anyways? You play at the park every once in a while? Have ever been on a college team? Do you know what makes a good coach?

In 1985 when Coach K was hired, it was acceptable. Does it happen anymore? No. Does that mean we need to get rid of him? No. His numbers dont lie. One of the reasons that Moore got a national title (which by the way, he "resigned" right after losing in the NCAA finals 2-3 years ago) was that his facilities were way better. This was before we had Mitchell, and facilities in tennis go a long way. This was even before you played tennis or started wasting our time on this board.

Coach K was a great high school and college player, and I believe he played on the tour a little bit. However, like Harry said, being a good player doesnt necessarily make you a good coach. Nick Bolletieri, owner and founder of the biggest and best tennis academy in the nation, and possibly in the world, is a horrible tennis player (you might even beat him). He has coached Agassi, Tommy Haas, Kournikova, among others. Go tell him he shouldnt be coaching and that a tour player would do better.

You dont have any experience playing, at least not at any level, or you would realize that you are talking nonsense. K's numbers dont lie. Mark will be a great asset to our program, and will hopefully take our team to the next level.

BigFoot you're a dumbass..You must know Coach K really well something no way would be sticking up for a medicore coach. I guess you like the job Coach Fran is doing. What type of experience do you've that is so overwhelming??? Pro player?? College experience you're the one wasting time on our board.

Look at Baylor they hired a new coach and started kicking our ass. Don't even bother discussing Coach Moore he has a natl champ when was the last time we made it out of the 2nd round. You may accpet mediocrity in your life but that doesn't mean we have to with Aggie Sports get a clue idiot.

I guess you should tell Byrne that since he has never played tennis he can't make a decision on whether Coach K is good coach..retard.

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As much fun as this e-fight is, I don't know enough to jump in. I'll just dip a toe in.
I will say that just because someone is a great player, does not mean they will be a great coach. for those of you saying "he played this, he played that, so he must be a better coach" just know playing /= coaching.

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How can you make this statement? Most coaches actually played the sport they're coaching at high level. Playing at WTAMU in the 60s or 70's is akin to playing tennis at the Champ level. Look at our FB coach never played College Football and we suck. Mike leach never played what have they ever won. Bolteri is a once in a lifetime occurence almost never happens. Again I will take a coach who played on the tour and you can take hs coach and we will see who has better record???

I am done with you...Youre obviously smarter than everyone else on this board, and know more than all of us combined. Have fun being an idiot.

And by the way, I did play in college, and I know for a fact that being a good player doesnt make you a good coach, seen it too many times.

If Coach K wasnt doing his job, for 22 years nonetheless, then he would have been let go long before now. Hes the longest tenured coach at A&M, and theres a reason for this. He hasnt had a losing record since 1992, so apparently he's doing something right.

Good luck Mark and Coach K! Bring home another big 12 title!







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Looking at the program's history under coach K, it appears he has 1 championshiop (SWC), 1 co-championship (B12), and 1 tourney championship (B12) in 22 years.

I understand there is more to coaching evaluations than championships, but isn't putting trophies in the case the new measuring stick?

Perhaps Weaver is the man for the future?

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I have to take issue with this comment. That is not what this athletic department is striving for. I believe building champions is the goal.

Coach K is a really tough call. We play in a conference with a lot of weak teams. We've had a lot of 2nd/3rd place conference finishes. That wouldn't be too big of a problem if there were some deep runs in the NCAAs.

But, we've gotten past the 2nd round ONCE since 1989....

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considering who we've had as athletic directors over 22 yrs its not surprising he's still here, yes he is doing his job, decently well, however I would like to get PAST the second round more than one time in 17 years. We have some of the best support of women's tennis in all of college, it shouldn't be that difficult to attract top talent here.

This hire was a great one, probably just as important for coach K as the tennis team, the type of hire that Fran should have made for his defense instead of gary darnell, because that hire is ultimately what cost him his job

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it shouldn't be that difficult to attract top talent here.

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it's not.

recruiting rankings for recent aggies:

lubinsky, #1 in texas
mechem, #2 in texas
foster, #1 in southern, AA at kentucky
clifford, top 5 in southern, top 25 in US
blagodarova, #6 in canada
druss, #2 in texas, top 20 in US
jordan, #1 in texas, top 25 in US
potgieter, #3 in south africa, top 100 in the world ITF
sammons, top 10 in south africa
liles, #8 in florida, top 40 in US
davidson, #5 in texas, top 50 in US

then it would seem that it speaks volumes about player developement instead. Which is what my initial post was about, the lack of player development, rather than saying he shouldn't have a job.

Look, I'm not trying to say he's a bad coach, and I'm not trying to stir the fire and get the guy canned because i think he's done a pretty darn good job here, because it is clear that we are consistently the number 2 team in the big XII as far as talent, but what I am saying is that I would like to do more than just GET to the NCAA's and win one match and then go home.

And that is why I hope this hire pans out, because with Coach K at the helm, you kind of know what we're gonna get. We're gonna be consistent and attract some really good talents, and maybe if baylor slips up we'll win a championship, and if we're lucky we'll get out of the second round, but if you guys follow where i'm going... then basically we're not going to have any significant improvement in our tennis program. That's the reason why I made my initial comments.

Who knows maybe maybe it is time to move on as some have said, and if it doesn't maybe Mark will provide a little spark, but either way I will just continue to support the ladies, and hope for the best.

He stinks..and Bigfoot and Harry hold hands at tennis matches..Oh and I didn't go to college. Lets move on.

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