Austin Yogurt Shop Murders 30 years unsolved now...

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Obviously this got quite a bit of media coverage this month as this is now a 30 year old cold case.

What's most perplexing is why more progress hasn't been made with the DNA sample they got a hit on a couple of years ago in an anonymous male only DNA database in Florida. The FBI refuses to release the name of the person in that database. However, forget the database they got a hit on. Haven't they also tried other genealogy databases like what was done with the Golden State Killer?

I saw this quote in the Statesman by one of the people involved with the GSK's case, "However, "Y-STR DNA testing, or genetic genealogy, is much less informative," said CeCe Moore, a genetic genealogist who has assisted criminal investigators. "It's not meaningless, but there's a much lower chance that it's going to help lead to an identification" than a more typical forensic DNA sample." To me, that is a massive talking point that needs some further expanding upon.

Can someone explain in layman's terms the Y-STR DNA and why it's not useful in this case? I know it probably casts a wide net, but it seems to me that unless the animal that did this is in a modern day Genghis Khan's lineage that it would be fairly easy to find. Even if they got a hit in another database that narrowed down the male lineage to 1,000 people, it seems that the majority of the relatives could easily be eliminated:
  • Anyone under about 40 years old. I doubt a 10 year old committed this.
  • Anyone deceased before the date of the crime
  • Anyone in prison on the date of the crime (can't be committing the crime while locked up somewhere else)
  • Of the remaining folks, did any live in Austin, Texas in 1991? That might at least be a good starting point.

It seems that just adding a few basic filters to even a large pool would dramatically whittled down the suspect pool. I assume the authorities would've been doing the type of investigating I described above and we would've at least heard something by now. The FBI refusing to reveal the name of the database hit was almost 2 years ago from early 2020. Maybe we will hear something soon.

As a parent, I just can't imagine the hell the families of those 4 girls have been through the last 3 decades not to mention the hell the victims themselves went through.

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The night Austin lost its innocence.
I'm the same age as two oldest girls that were murdered. I'm a South Austin boy but we'd venture up to that part of town every so often. Still do on occasion. I've made stops at the site to pay my respects more than once.
If you'd had told me then that this case would go 30+ years unsolved I never would have believed you.
I hope the killers are brought to justice soon.
Corn Pop
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I'm a sucker for conspiracy theories. What would be the reason the FBI would not release the name?
AGBU94
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There are a few cases that make you wonder about corruption in the PD and FBI ranks, and then there are a few that you just wonder how they have not been solved. While not the most famous cases, the Rachel Cooke case in Georgetown and the Yogurt Shop murders are definitely up there on notoriety. I hope that someday these cases are solved.

Just in Texas there are several.
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AGBU94 said:

There are a few cases that make you wonder about corruption in the PD and FBI ranks, and then there are a few that you just wonder how they have not been solved. While not the most famous cases, the Rachel Cooke case in Georgetown and the Yogurt Shop murders are definitely up there on notoriety. I hope that someday these cases are solved.

Just in Texas there are several.
I interned with Travis County SO the semester after the yogurt shop murders and sat in on a crime scene investigation class for law enforcement officers. The instructor said the crime scene was a disaster. It was a fire scene first and nobody knew it was a crime scene until they had the fire under control. Then the scene wasn't immediately secured so there were extra people traipsing through that shouldn't have been. He also made a comment about the rape kits not being done appropriately. Not sure how he knew that part since he was SO and not DPS that processed the kits.




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my family moved north from Austin in 1987 so just missed this story
Orlando Ayala Cant Read
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This is similar to the Las Cruces bowling alley murders. Also unknown assailants
Corn Pop
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That was was cartel related wasn't it?
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Corn Pop said:

I'm a sucker for conspiracy theories. What would be the reason the FBI would not release the name?

Oh man, go as F16 this question
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Corn Pop said:

That was was cartel related wasn't it?


A theory I think but officially unsolved
CStewTAMU
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Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

Corn Pop said:

That was was cartel related wasn't it?


A theory I think but officially unsolved


Yup, just a theory on the Las Cruces Bowling Alley massacre which had a very similar MO. Although the drug dealing angle was one of the most thoroughly investigated aspects of the case from day 1, police could never tie the business owner (and father and grandfather of two of the victims) to any cartel or organized crime. It is a nice Occam's razor type theory though. Sadly, I don't think that case will ever be solved. I wouldn't be surprised if the Austin Yogurt shop case is solved in the near future though due to the DNA in a manner similar to the GSK. I just think it's a matter of time.
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HBO documentary coming in August

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Well, it looks like they might've solved it! Robert Eugene Brashers, a known serial killer and rapist, has apparently had his DNA linked this month to the YSM. That begs the question on how they didn't get a DNA hit in the past on this. I guess we'll find out soon.
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They are also suggesting that a casing found at the scene is "consistent" with the gun Brashers used to kill himself in 1999. It isn't clear to me what that means.
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Why didn't they have his DNA 25 years ago? Wtf?
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Strange

Was this solved in part due to hbo doc or a coincidence?
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Burnsey said:

Why didn't they have his DNA 25 years ago? Wtf?


They presumably never had a complete DNA profile until now. All they was a partial profile that could've matched countless men. Due to the fire and crime scene contamination (the first responders thought this was a simple after hours kitchen fire when they arrived), they had a VERY limited DNA source to work with. Anytime DNA is tested, it's consumed. My bet is that most of that was consumed in the first test that only yielded a partial profile. What little DNA they had left to test needed to wait for technology to get to a point where they could be certain they could get a full profile out of it because they only had one shot left at getting it right.

As far as why this guy wasn't in CODIS that's perplexing. I would've figured that by 1999, what was known about his past crimes he served time on would've gotten him into CODIS posthumously if he wasn't already in there. But who knows. It wasn't until 2018 that he was linked to other murders and rapes.
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