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WHIPLASH Is an Explosive, Riveting Masterpiece

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Just saw last night and absolutely loved it. Do not understand how it did not win best picture.
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"Come play for us"

"Something you will never hear".


Smasht.
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"Come play for us"

"Something you will never hear".


Smasht.


Didn't think he had it in him until then, and I think it was "Something you will never hear from an NFL team".

Oh, and "it's Division 3".
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I would give my left nut if the closed fist/hush move worked on my wife and kids.
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I would give my left nut if the closed fist/hush move worked on my wife and kids.


Maybe you should throw a cymbal at them.
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NOT MY F***ING TEMPO
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Stop sucking like it is your boyfriend's dick!

I am sorry, that is just damn hilarious and pretty shocking to see in a Hollywood film these days.
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As an educator, I found a lot of it too over-the-top and hard to believe. I think my years of teaching really colored my opinion of the movie.

I felt like in the end the teacher won, not the student. It came across as Stockholm syndrome or like a battered wife more than anything else.


Completely the point to me. Today's world of political correctness creates an environment where greatness can't be achieved. Only through a crucible, etc.

Yes, the teacher won. Yes, the kid is probably permenantely damaged, but the world was given greatness. The point of the movie is "is it worth it"?
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So I finally sat down and watched this movie and WOW! This is such a special movie on so manylevels.

***SPOILERS THROUGHOUT***

You start with the quote of the movie about "good job" beingthe most harmful words in the human language. This movie isn't about music, it's about being great and the blood, sweat, tears, and ultimately the price of what it means/is to be great.

As a percussionist in high school, I certainly remember myfirst instructor in high school being a bit abusive and not shy to call someone out for being terrible. Most of the students hated him but I would be lying if I didn't recognize that he was able to get some great results out of us. I was an all state percussionist as a freshman in high school and remember practicing during lunch hours during football season and at home (yes, I played football too). I also practiced almost daily in the spring during concert season. Something my instructor preached was how the repetition of practice makes perfect was false because if you were doing it wrong then you were practicing wrong. He said that perfect practice makes perfect. He was a kind of a mean guy when it came to teaching but he loved him some drums so when it came time to play he let us have fun and gave us good music/cadences to jam out to. This kind of made up for me not liking him because we did enjoy ourselves at games and parades. He was a pain in the ass for competitions for marching and concert season though.

As a football player, I was a terrible player for the most part but loved it too much not to participate. I remember getting yelled at by coaches and ridiculed for not being good. One thing that I took from this is
that in the offseason once I got to varsity I spent many hours on the track and in the weight room pushing myself. While I never was able to capitalize on those results and translate them to the field I gained a respect for what hard work accomplished and what it meant to not be a quitter.

Truth be told I didn't like my coaches or instructor because of the way I always felt like they picked on me to get the best out of me. In regards to music, the results were good but for football they never really materialized. I get that you are not supposed to like your teachers but in hindsight I respect the hell out of them now because they molded my ability to rise up against strong odds to get my education and become
an Aggie as well as overcome some other obstacles in my life. That is really the background as to my
thoughts on this movie.

Fletcher was passionate about wanting to produce the next great musician as Neyman was passionate about becoming the next great drummer. Fletcher is seen as a villain and to a degree that is true but the end sequence proves that his radical nature could breed success. You can't fault him for wanting the best and there is no doubt that he understood the price of being great and the consequences of his strategy given the suicide of his former player in Sean Casey. It's easy to not like the guy. However, watching Neyman's drive was truly inspirational. Some of you criticize the car wreck but that scene was not there to for drama, it was there to show that Neyman would not be denied. It was there to show just how determined he was to be great.

The final sequence when Neyman returned to the stage was all of the drama coming to a climax. He was going to prove that he was the best to the instructor he felt thought he was a failure. He knew that Fletcher set him up to fail, but went back to settle the score. As for the conflict between the two, they had technically wronged eachother in Fletcher kicking Neyman out of the band and Neyman getting Fletcher fired. Once the scene was set the two were able to realize what was happening and humble enough to execute greatness. I was happy for them both and the results could not have been any better.

What a great and inspirational movie. This can really be applied to all walks oflife in art, sports, family, etc. when it comes to the roles of teacher and apprentice. I know they picked at sports in the dinner scene but instead of taking it as marginalizing sports I took it as showing us the gravity of his definition of greatness in regards to the division III comparison. Neyman also gave us a taste on what greatness delivers the world on a whole as to burning out young living your dream and dying old and not being remembered to leave the
world nothing. This also kind of gives you some perspective on why so many great artists burnout and die young. I think many of them are geniuses on level that crosses into the realm of insanity which is why I love the radical direction of this story.

The radical nature can be questioned and it certainly is only one of many ways to achieve greatness but ultimately this movie delivered on this particular path and was it epic. This might be the best movie I have ever seen. What a treat!
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Great post
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Finally saw this on a plane to Europe. Easily my favorite movie of the year. I thought it considerably better than Birdman but maybe that one translates less to a small plane screen.

The final scene is incredible.
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Finally watched this over the weekend. SO INTENSE!

Loved it.

I will add that I agree the girlfriend relationship could have been developed a little further. I was hoping that her response about having a boyfriend at the end was going to end up being a joke like when she initially rejected him at the beginning in the movie theater. I thought she was going to be at the final show to his surprise.

I think I was aslo just hoping that would happen because she was hot

A great movie though.
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Fletcher was passionate about wanting to produce the next great musician as Neyman was passionate about becoming the next great drummer. Fletcher is seen as a villain and to a degree that is true but the end sequence proves that his radical nature could breed success. You can't fault him for wanting the best and there is no doubt that he understood the price of being great and the consequences of his strategy given the suicide of his former player in Sean Casey. It's easy to not like the guy. However, watching Neyman's drive was truly inspirational. Some of you criticize the car wreck but that scene was not there to for drama, it was there to show that Neyman would not be denied. It was there to show just how determined he was to be great.

The final sequence when Neyman returned to the stage was all of the drama coming to a climax. He was going to prove that he was the best to the instructor he felt thought he was a failure. He knew that Fletcher set him up to fail, but went back to settle the score. As for the conflict between the two, they had technically wronged eachother in Fletcher kicking Neyman out of the band and Neyman getting Fletcher fired. Once the scene was set the two were able to realize what was happening and humble enough to execute greatness. I was happy for them both and the results could not have been any better.

It's always interesting how others view films. I had a different view - I saw it more of a "sad dance" between two people who realized they were scorpions (Frog & Scorpion fable)...and really, the whole film was Andrews story of realizing he was.

As far as the GF thing...I think it was handled correctly. I don't think he really wanted to get back with her. The phone call was at a time when he was trying to find his identity still. One he didn't fully grasp until he walked back out into the stage after hugging his dad. To be true to character, he would have blown her off immediately had she shown up, imo.

Good views, everyone.
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I've rewatched the final scene several times and I think the coolest part is his dad's face as he's watching form back stage. His son is tearing off the incredible accomplishment of a drum solo, which is seemingly all his son has ever wanted and you can tell he's more concerned than proud. He knows he's pretty much lost him.
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I've rewatched the final scene several times and I think the coolest part is his dad's face as he's watching form back stage. His son is tearing off the incredible accomplishment of a drum solo, which is seemingly all his son has ever wanted and you can tell he's more concerned than proud. He knows he's pretty much lost him.

so true. I was thinking the same thing. That was awesome.
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Finally got to watch this movie on a 17 he flight to Sydney. Amazing movie. Super intense throughout with an amazing climax. I watched it, slept for 8 hours woke up and watched it again.

I think the teacher and the student both got what they wanted. The price of greatness is high. So high that very few are willing to pay it. This was not just about music but about excellence in anything. To be one of "the greats", you will go through a crucible that hardens your skill while burning away almost every part of your life. The breakup talk with the girl, the fathers reaction during the solo, and the blood sweat and tears it took to be great show the price of greatness.

Really an amazing movie and the kid sold it because he can actually play. The wide shots of him playing made all the difference. If it was typical Hollywood closeup cuts throughout it would have been less effective.
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Finally got to watch this movie on a 17 hour flight to Sydney. Amazing movie. Super intense throughout with an amazing climax. I watched it, slept for 8 hours woke up and watched it again.

I think the teacher and the student both got what they wanted. The price of greatness is high. So high that very few are willing to pay it. This was not just about music but about excellence in anything. To be one of "the greats", you will go through a crucible that hardens your skill while burning away almost every part of your life. The breakup talk with the girl, the fathers reaction during the solo, and the blood sweat and tears it took to be great show the price of greatness.

Really an amazing movie and the kid sold it because he can actually play. The wide shots of him playing made all the difference. If it was typical Hollywood closeup cuts throughout it would have been less effective.

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$.99 rental on iTunes right now.
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This movie's ending (similar to Warrior) is so intense and unexpected, that it kinda saddens me that I'll never get the same rush as when I first watched it. I have to rope people into watching it around me so I can kinda get that thrill again watching them react to it.
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As a musician, this movie is spot on ****ing aces man!!! Loved it! Story of my life...
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I've read that Miles Teller did almost all of his own drumming, that he was a drummer already, but didn't know anything about jazz drumming, and you and other people had to teach him that for the film. Did you have to visually cheat around anything in terms of his ability?

Chazelle: Much less than I thought. Certainly, one thing I should clarifyhe did pretty much all of the visual drumming onscreen, but the audio of the drum solo at the end is mostly not Miles. He's not actually the greatest drummer on planet Earth. [Laughs.] But he learned how to seem like he was the greatest drummer on Earth. It's all about visual tricks. It's about doing stuff that looks difficult, but isn't that difficult. As a drummer myself, I knew what those things are. Piano's the same thing. It's really easy for pianists to do fast arpeggios, and people look at it and go "Wow," but it's still actually easy. As a drummer, it's pretty easy to do fast stick work, and spin around, and do stuff that's really fast, or do over/underarm stuff. There are just certain kinds of things you can do that look impressive.Ironically, some of the hardest stuff Miles had to do in this movie was just some of the beats. Not even the drum solos. Just the beat to "Whiplash" is really hard. That's a beat that actually sounds easier than it is, because it's in a weird time signature, and it's just ****ed-up. We did a few weeks with him at the drum set, just crash-course training on specifically what he would have to play in the movie. And he was so good on set that we almost never had to use a double. There's a couple of things here and there where there's a close-up on his hands, or the top of his head, where it's a double. But even stuff where you normally would use a double, like really wide shots, or shots of his back, or quick pan shots where we could get away with a double if we needed to, it's actually Miles. I was pretty impressed on set. He really brought it. Even a good 40 percent or so of what you hear on the soundtrack is live audio from him playing on set. He did a good job.
man...the director must not have been paying attention to the film
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I've read that Miles Teller did almost all of his own drumming, that he was a drummer already, but didn't know anything about jazz drumming, and you and other people had to teach him that for the film. Did you have to visually cheat around anything in terms of his ability?

Chazelle: Much less than I thought. Certainly, one thing I should clarifyhe did pretty much all of the visual drumming onscreen, but the audio of the drum solo at the end is mostly not Miles. He's not actually the greatest drummer on planet Earth. [Laughs.] But he learned how to seem like he was the greatest drummer on Earth. It's all about visual tricks. It's about doing stuff that looks difficult, but isn't that difficult. As a drummer myself, I knew what those things are. Piano's the same thing. It's really easy for pianists to do fast arpeggios, and people look at it and go "Wow," but it's still actually easy. As a drummer, it's pretty easy to do fast stick work, and spin around, and do stuff that's really fast, or do over/underarm stuff. There are just certain kinds of things you can do that look impressive.Ironically, some of the hardest stuff Miles had to do in this movie was just some of the beats. Not even the drum solos. Just the beat to "Whiplash" is really hard. That's a beat that actually sounds easier than it is, because it's in a weird time signature, and it's just ****ed-up. We did a few weeks with him at the drum set, just crash-course training on specifically what he would have to play in the movie. And he was so good on set that we almost never had to use a double. There's a couple of things here and there where there's a close-up on his hands, or the top of his head, where it's a double. But even stuff where you normally would use a double, like really wide shots, or shots of his back, or quick pan shots where we could get away with a double if we needed to, it's actually Miles. I was pretty impressed on set. He really brought it. Even a good 40 percent or so of what you hear on the soundtrack is live audio from him playing on set. He did a good job.
man...the director must not have been paying attention to the film


Cool post man!
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finally saw it last night and yeah, it's a really awesome movie.

the ending was perfect and i loved the "i know it was you" line. i know some people probably felt down afterward, but is a "happy ending" one that leaves the audience satisfied or the characters satisfied? i don't think the film left any doubt that the final scene was a happy ending for both andrew and fletcher.

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Loved the movie. Definitely one of the best I've seen in a long time. The final scene was amazing!
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What to say. Amazing. I really.... Can't.... Holy crap. Great film.
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This thread is almost eight months old. I bet it'll be another five years, if not more, before there's a movie as unanimously loved by TexAgs as this one. Incredible.
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I know I'm late to the party but wow.....one of my favorite movies in recent memory. I was on edge until that final smile.
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There's a great moment on this past weeks episode of Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee. Stephen Colbert is the guest. Jerry asks him if he likes Whiplash and he hesitates and Jerry basically says "We can't be friends anymore." And Stephen says something like:

"No. No. It's just that I've had so many jazz musician friends tell me. You know, that's NOT how you get good at jazz. And I tell them... Well, I'm pretty sure that that's not how you get good at boxing either, but I still loved Rocky!"
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Finally watched it.

****** kinda spoiler*********








Other than the unrealistic scenario of him just happening upon a bar that mean teacher was playing at. I thought it was perfectly done.
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There's a great moment on this past weeks episode of Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee. Stephen Colbert is the guest. Jerry asks him if he likes Whiplash and he hesitates and Jerry basically says "We can't be friends anymore." And Stephen says something like:

"No. No. It's just that I've had so many jazz musician friends tell me. You know, that's NOT how you get good at jazz. And I tell them... Well, I'm pretty sure that that's not how you get good at boxing either, but I still loved Rocky!"


Maybe that's not how you get good at jazz, specifically. But being a drummer, I can tell you with absolute certainty that's how you get good at drumming.

This movie really resonated with me. I've spent countless hours playing through popped blisters and bleeding hands. I've played until my sticks are covered in blood and there's blood spattered on my drums and cymbals from trying over and over to play something really difficult. I've played 12 hour days in the studio where my hands are torn up by the end, and I'm just throwing on bandaid after bandaid trying to get through the next take. I've experienced that frustration where I'm at my wits end and just throw my sticks across the room and punch a drum head.

That kind of determination is how you improve your chops, and it was really cool that this movie portrayed that struggle. Any devoted drummer can identify with that, jazz or otherwise.
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Finally watched it.

****** kinda spoiler*********








Other than the unrealistic scenario of him just happening upon a bar that mean teacher was playing at. I thought it was perfectly done.

That's unrealistic?
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No, I come across all my former teachers all the time in various trades.
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Watched it last weekend. I was really upset in the final scene that he was going to "lose" to Fletcher. I fist pumped when he walked back to the stage. Really good movie.
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It's just that I've had so many jazz musician friends tell me. You know, that's NOT how you get good at jazz.
Hey jazz musicians, saying stuff like this is why other musicians think you're all pompous *******s. (And part of the reason why the art-form is dying a slow death)
 
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