Moral relativity is, in my mind, the most important theme in the show. These characters are personable monsters.

My favorite moment in the series is season 3, episode 7, when Carmella is talking to her shrink:

"One thing that you can never say-that you haven't been told"

It's kind of a reminder to the viewer that they are relating to and falling in love with murderous scum and the people who equivocate for them.

BusterAg said:

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Moral relativity is, in my mind, the most important theme in the show. These characters are personable monsters.

My favorite moment in the series is season 3, episode 7, when Carmella is talking to her shrink:

"One thing that you can never say-that you haven't been told"

It's kind of a reminder to the viewer that they are relating to and falling in love with murderous scum and the people who equivocate for them.

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Chase hated it that the audience loved his characters. It's an interesting contrast with someone like Gilligan who made a similarly great show but enjoyed every aspect of fan speculation, adoration, etc.

I hated the ending ever since it was aired.

Then this year I started watching some episodes here and there and watched the ending again.

The problem with the ending is Chase tried to be too clever. After reading a bunch of articles and breakdowns of the ending it makes perfect sense what happened and what Chase tried to get everyone to "see."

Yea no doubt that the guy who went to the bathroom was the guy who got him

I think you guys are giving Chase far too much credit on having a slick deeper meaning with the ending. Once when asked about what happened to the Russian, he responded, "I don't give a **** about the Russian". He simply doesn't care if there are lose ends.

When answering a question in a Vox interview about whether or not Tony was dead, said "no he isn't". Then when they ran with "Tony is alive!" Chase said he was misunderstood. I think that if they asked him, "Is Tony alive?" He would have blurted out, "no he isn't" too. Sometimes he says stuff like, "whether or not he's dead is not the point."

I think he literally doesn't have an answer. As far as he is concerned, there is no answer and he doesn't know anymore than we do. It's a lose end that he didn't feel like answering and is angry that people keep asking. He's the writer and he's allowed to end it like he wants. That's his attitude at least.

He doesn't owe me anything. And we don't owe him adulation either. He's a good writer, but he crapped the bed on the ending.

I was responding to posts made by others with off screen info they may not have known. I will do that whenever I feel like it.

Sorry you are so butt hurt about it.

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nevermind, i just realized you're the guy from the chernobyl thread. not worth it.

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Hes also an espionage expert.

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its hilarious that you take it so personally, like he owes you something. grow up.

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Sure but isn't that how this whole board pretty much works? It's littered with man children that take everything personally. I laugh to myself all the time at how seriously people get butt hurt here about differences in opinion.

Agree.

SPOILERS BELOW FOR THE WIRE AND SOPRANOS IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED THEM YET. (I'm not blacking them out)

This article explains in extreme detail what I think happened: https://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/1147-2/

Chase is known for setting up big scenes with little clues from previous episodes.

I first noticed it with The Wire (my favorite show of all time) where Kenard says "That's Omar???? Dang."




Then in the next episode he shoots Omar which surprised everyone because he was one of the last people who you would think would get Omar.

Tony and Bobby talking where Bobby says "You don't hear it until it happens, right?":

Look at this scene where Sil is with Gerry when Gerry gets whacked:

Notice how Sil doesn't hear the first gun-shot until a second or two later. Everything just goes silent before he snaps back to reality. He didn't hear it until it happened.

The article I linked above goes into incredible detail and is a long read but it shows how Tony never heard the gun shot. The reason why the screen went black all of a sudden with no noise was because the Members Only guy came out of the bathroom and shot Tony. We were looking through Tony's eyes so when he was shot in the head it was immediately game over and everything was black because he was killed instantly.

It's possible that Chase signed an NDA.

We you know he's working on a Prequel to the Soprano's called The Many Saints of Newark

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/sopranos-film-movie-prequel-the-many-saints-of-newark-cast-news-plot-release-date-characters-a8647271.html%3famp